---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/03/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:06 AM - Re: MOLLY (Russell Legg) 2. 04:25 AM - Re: MOLLY (Barry Collman) 3. 07:29 AM - Re: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets (Moe) 4. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: New Year (Moe) 5. 08:19 AM - Re: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets (steve2) 6. 08:27 AM - Re: MOLLY (steve2) 7. 08:44 AM - Re: MOLLY (Tom Fisher) 8. 06:23 PM - Re: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets (W J R HAMILTON) 9. 06:47 PM - Re: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets (John Vormbaum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: MOLLY From: Russell Legg --> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg Jim & Sue, My sincerest sympathies on your loss of Molly. As always she shared some great Commander stories with many of us! Russell On 3/1/06 1:46 PM, "YOURTCFG@aol.com" wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > It is with great sadness that I report Sue and I lost our wonderful Wire Fox > Terrier, Molly, on Christmas day. She was only 8 years old. She died in > our arms of cancer. Molly (short for "Chromoly") was a wonderful, smart, > saucy, sassy dear friend who had spent more time in Commanders than many who > own > them, and we miss her deeply. Those of you who knew her know what I mean. > God Bless all of our pets this night. jb > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:59 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: MOLLY --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Jim & Sue, Special thoughts go out to you both from me & Elaine. Molly was indeed a special character and I know you will both be more than deeply saddened at her passing. Barry & Elaine. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: MOLLY | --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | | It is with great sadness that I report Sue and I lost our wonderful Wire Fox | Terrier, Molly, on Christmas day. She was only 8 years old. She died in | our arms of cancer. Molly (short for "Chromoly") was a wonderful, smart, | saucy, sassy dear friend who had spent more time in Commanders than many who own | them, and we miss her deeply. Those of you who knew her know what I mean. | God Bless all of our pets this night. jb | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:11 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Steve, What model Commander was this on? Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" > > Good, I'm not the only one to give the rudder a little boot on final > sometimes. Doesn't slip like a Cub, but gets the job done and I don't have > to mess with power. We need a steeper approach than standard at home base. > > Speaking of rudders, we noticed something last annual that was really tough > to see. On the bulkhead ahead of the pilot's feet (forgot the number) are > two rudder pulleys on either side of the airframe. They are a bitch to get > at. After pulling the side nose inspection panel off, we noticed a 1/4 inch > long crack at the top of the rudder pulley bracket. It takes some work, but > we also saw the same crack on the 'back' side of the bracket. > > Since we saw it on the one bracket, we took a real hard look at the other > side and found the same two cracks on the opposite side pulley brackets. The > airframe's got about 8000 hours on it, and it is used for survey work where > rudder is used often to correct yaw while on flightlines. Aircraft has been > indoors for at least 20 years, maybe longer. These brackets are a bear to > get at. It's one of the few places on the Commander where I thought it could > have been made of a heavier gauge. > > Talk about rudders and slipping got me to remembering this. I'd be > interested in hearing if anyone else has seen the same. > > Steve > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:00 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: New Year --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Richard & Jacqui, Linn and I had a really great time, as we always do in your country. Thank you so very much for showing me what the local gentry are flying. Moe Happy to hear that the paper work came through on the Cub. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Year > --> Commander-List message posted by: RnJThompson@aol.com > > To all in Commanderland, > > Have a great New Year. We had a fine day running at about 47 deg C. A little > warm. > Had a wonderful visit from Moe and Linn. It was great to see them. > > Flew my Super Cub for the first time on Wednesday. After a complete rebuild > and changing from US reg to Oz reg. Havent flown one of these things for about > 15 years. Funny how quickly it all comes back to you. You discover things > like what a rudders is used for and what torque does in a grossly overpowered > aircraft. Its all come back and a blast to fly although I am beginning to become > a little afraid of birdstrikes from the rear. Comming over the fence at 40 > kts, feels like you could walk faster. But you also land and take off in a very > very short space. > > Now thats finished I will be back on the 680E. Hopefully that can be done by > mid year. > > Best wishes from OZ > > Richard & Jacqui > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:14 AM PST US From: "steve2" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" 1961 500B (Converted from an A in 1966 I think.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" > > Steve, > > What model Commander was this on? > > Moe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" >> >> Good, I'm not the only one to give the rudder a little boot on final >> sometimes. Doesn't slip like a Cub, but gets the job done and I don't >> have >> to mess with power. We need a steeper approach than standard at home >> base. >> >> Speaking of rudders, we noticed something last annual that was really > tough >> to see. On the bulkhead ahead of the pilot's feet (forgot the number) are >> two rudder pulleys on either side of the airframe. They are a bitch to >> get >> at. After pulling the side nose inspection panel off, we noticed a 1/4 > inch >> long crack at the top of the rudder pulley bracket. It takes some work, > but >> we also saw the same crack on the 'back' side of the bracket. >> >> Since we saw it on the one bracket, we took a real hard look at the other >> side and found the same two cracks on the opposite side pulley brackets. > The >> airframe's got about 8000 hours on it, and it is used for survey work > where >> rudder is used often to correct yaw while on flightlines. Aircraft has > been >> indoors for at least 20 years, maybe longer. These brackets are a bear to >> get at. It's one of the few places on the Commander where I thought it > could >> have been made of a heavier gauge. >> >> Talk about rudders and slipping got me to remembering this. I'd be >> interested in hearing if anyone else has seen the same. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:40 AM PST US From: "steve2" Subject: Re: Commander-List: MOLLY --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" So sorry about Molly. We lost our Mollie a couple years back, a black lab, also eight years old. We had expected her to be with us as long as her 'grandmother', a lovely, creaky old dog of 14. Damn cancer. She's buried under a crab apple tree we planted at our new house. LuLu is eight and going strong, Maggie we got a couple months after we lost Mollie. It's never easy, especially when they leave sooner than we expected.. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: MOLLY > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > It is with great sadness that I report Sue and I lost our wonderful Wire > Fox > Terrier, Molly, on Christmas day. She was only 8 years old. She died in > our arms of cancer. Molly (short for "Chromoly") was a wonderful, smart, > saucy, sassy dear friend who had spent more time in Commanders than many > who own > them, and we miss her deeply. Those of you who knew her know what I > mean. > God Bless all of our pets this night. jb > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:41 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: MOLLY --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" My Bridget was lost with my 500B in an ocean ditching in '99. No doubt she and Molly are keeping each other company exchanging Commander tales. I was also once married to a Molly for three years. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve2" Subject: Re: Commander-List: MOLLY > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" > > So sorry about Molly. > > We lost our Mollie a couple years back, a black lab, also eight years old. > We had expected her to be with us as long as her 'grandmother', a lovely, > creaky old dog of 14. Damn cancer. > > She's buried under a crab apple tree we planted at our new house. LuLu is > eight and going strong, Maggie we got a couple months after we lost Mollie. > > It's never easy, especially when they leave sooner than we expected.. > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Commander-List: MOLLY > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > > It is with great sadness that I report Sue and I lost our wonderful Wire > > Fox > > Terrier, Molly, on Christmas day. She was only 8 years old. She died in > > our arms of cancer. Molly (short for "Chromoly") was a wonderful, smart, > > saucy, sassy dear friend who had spent more time in Commanders than many > > who own > > them, and we miss her deeply. Those of you who knew her know what I > > mean. > > God Bless all of our pets this night. jb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:50 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Steve, That seems possible, as close as I can get to the brackets to see, the original crack looks quite old, and the engineers who had been looking after the aircraft for some years, before I bought it indicated that they had not observed any change, but in those few years the aircraft did only low annual hours. My total airframe time is about 11,000, some of it on quite rough strips. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 00:57 3/01/2006, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" > >Good morning Bill, > >The four cracks were nearly identical in length on ours, and we're >monitoring also. We did put a tiny stop-drill on each, but seeing as they >cracked to a certain point and no further, we're wondering if they perhaps >become somewhat stable over time once that intital crack forms? > >Steve CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:45 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" My 500B has 18,000 hours on it. My rudder pulley brackets are cracked. Morris includes an inspection of them on his 100hr. inspection sheet. He informed me that when they manufactured the brackets, they folded them but didn't stress relieve the corners. He's seen multitudes of cracked ones, and he says even the ones that haven't been stop drilled only crack to a certain point. He says it's a problem he's been aware of only for the last 20 years or so. He is of the opinion that they probably cracked about 10 minutes after the airframe was built (ok, maybe a little longer than that). He's also mentioned that he's never *ever* seen or heard of one failing. I guess I'll just continue to keep an eye on my pulleys, and see if anything changes.... /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "W J R HAMILTON" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slips / Rudder Pulley Brackets > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > Steve, > That seems possible, as close as I can get to the brackets to see, > the original crack looks quite old, and the engineers who had been > looking after the aircraft for some years, before I bought it > indicated that they had not observed any change, but in those few > years the aircraft did only low annual hours. My total airframe time > is about 11,000, some of it on quite rough strips. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > > At 00:57 3/01/2006, you wrote: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" > > > >Good morning Bill, > > > >The four cracks were nearly identical in length on ours, and we're > >monitoring also. We did put a tiny stop-drill on each, but seeing as they > >cracked to a certain point and no further, we're wondering if they perhaps > >become somewhat stable over time once that intital crack forms? > > > >Steve > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet > Services and Warbirds.Net. & . > This message is intended for and should only be used by the > addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged > information.If you are not the intended recipient any use > distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly > prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this > communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken > delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please > notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 > Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. > >