---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/16/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:18 AM - Re: Shrike nose (Steven) 2. 05:43 AM - Re: Shrike nose (N395V) 3. 05:48 AM - Re: 500B hydraulic pump parts (Myron Ashley) 4. 05:48 AM - Re: Shrike nose (Barry Collman) 5. 06:09 AM - Slipping a short Commander (Moe) 6. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Shrike nose (Nancy & Roland Gilliam) 7. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Shrike nose (Moe) 8. 08:12 AM - Air Schuerman (N395V) 9. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Shrike nose (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 10. 10:57 AM - Re: Slipping a short Commander (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 11. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Shrike nose (Barry Collman) 12. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: Shrike nose (Bill Bow) 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Shrike nose (BillLeff1@aol.com) 14. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Shrike nose (YOURTCFG@AOL.COM) 15. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Shrike nose (Tylor Hall) 16. 07:46 PM - Shrike Nose (Jim Addington) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:12 AM PST US From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" I must be in the minority prefering the snub-nose of the older Commanders to the pointy nose of the later models...... What kind of percentage of older models get the nose-job? Sounds like a question for Barry.... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: Commander-List: Shrike nose > --> Commander-List message posted by: Nancy & Roland Gilliam > > > Hello, > > Anyone know how much a Shrike nose cost, and who sells and installs > them??? > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:33 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose From: "N395V" --> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" > I must be in the minority prefering the snub-nose of the older Commanders Nope. I suspect most of us prefer that classic buxom look. :D -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4348#4348 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dcp_0040_993.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:08 AM PST US From: "Myron Ashley" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B hydraulic pump parts --> Commander-List message posted by: "Myron Ashley" Aircraft accessories of oklahoma are the experts for the hydrualic pumps. 800-255-9924 Good Luck, Myron Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donnie Rose" Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: 500B hydraulic pump parts > --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose > > Dear members, does anyone have any info on the below > topic? > Thank you in advance... > > > Good morning Mr. Tower, > You had offered you help earlier in the Commander > search for things and now I surely need it. I am in > need of an oil seal for one of the main hydraulic > pumps in my 1964 500B. My serial number is in the > upper bracket [1300-] and the pump was manufactured by > Eastern Industries, Hamden, CT. Model number of the > pump is 105HBG-211B, part 4790222-501. > The seal is on the input shaft and is in itself unique > because of it's unusual depth of .690 on the outer > case housing a double seal. I have found two smaller > seals to "stack" in the originals place but would > prefer OEM config. These two seals were obtained from > Motion Industries with no other options. > I sure hope you or one of the other members of the > chat group can help Mr. Tower, I have exhausted all of > my options. > > Best Regards, > Donnie Rose > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:09 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Steve, Well, it is indeed a question for me! I have traced about 270 of the Bathtub and Speedline nacelle Models that have been modified with the installation of a Miller nose. There were 1,865 airframes built under the 'old' msn system, but some of these left the factory with the long nose. Without refining everything down to the last decimal point, the answer is approximately 15%. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike nose Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" | Subject: Commander-List: Slipping a short Commander --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Commander Hearders, Regardin the posts of a couple of weeks ago, it seems that no matter how hard you slip a 680F(p) at about 120 MPH both the right and left air speed indicators will stay within about three MPH of each other. Regards, Moe N680RR 680F(p) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:52 AM PST US From: Nancy & Roland Gilliam Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: Nancy & Roland Gilliam My original question was not intended to change my model 500 from the original nose, but to try to see if this increased the value of a project I know of. I appreciate all the response from all of you. Gap seals is not an option for me as I have a 2500 ft. (paved) strip of my own, and understand this inhibits the climb performance somewhat. Comments??? Roland Barry Collman wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > >Hi Steve, > >Well, it is indeed a question for me! > >I have traced about 270 of the Bathtub and Speedline nacelle Models that have >been modified with the installation of a Miller nose. > >There were 1,865 airframes built under the 'old' msn system, but some of these >left the factory with the long nose. > >Without refining everything down to the last decimal point, the answer is >approximately 15%. > >Very Best Regards, >Barry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:17 PM >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike nose >Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" >| | I must be in the minority prefering the snub-nose of >| the older Commanders to the pointy nose of the later models...... What >| kind of percentage of older models get the nose-job? Sounds like a >| question for Barry.... [...] > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:53 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Roland, You are most likely correct in your feelings that Flap Gap Seals are not a good idea if you operate on a 2,500 foot strip. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose > --> Commander-List message posted by: Nancy & Roland Gilliam > > My original question was not intended to change my model 500 from the > original nose, but to try to see if this increased the value of a > project I know of. I appreciate all the response from all of you. Gap > seals is not an option for me as I have a 2500 ft. (paved) strip of my > own, and understand this inhibits the climb performance somewhat. > Comments??? > > Roland > > > Barry Collman wrote: > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > > >Hi Steve, > > > >Well, it is indeed a question for me! > > > >I have traced about 270 of the Bathtub and Speedline nacelle Models that have > >been modified with the installation of a Miller nose. > > > >There were 1,865 airframes built under the 'old' msn system, but some of these > >left the factory with the long nose. > > > >Without refining everything down to the last decimal point, the answer is > >approximately 15%. > > > >Very Best Regards, > >Barry > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Steven" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:17 PM > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike nose > >Commander-List message posted by: "Steven" > >| >| I must be in the minority prefering the snub-nose of > >| the older Commanders to the pointy nose of the later models...... What > >| kind of percentage of older models get the nose-job? Sounds like a > >| question for Barry.... [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:57 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Air Schuerman From: "N395V" --> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" When travelling the Midwest I highly reccomend Captain Chris and First officer Kim -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4394#4394 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_0077_150.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:24 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 1/16/2006 5:48:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: I have traced about 270 of the Bathtub and Speedline nacelle Models that have been modified with the installation of a Miller nose. SIR BARRY. You forgot the 6 that had the "Little Rock" nose installed;_) jb ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:30 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slipping a short Commander --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 1/16/2006 6:10:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, moe@rosspistons.com writes: about three MPH of each other. That is about what I remember moe. Thanks!! jb PS I may be needing a set of Pistons for a 454 chevy pretty soon. jb ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:39 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" No, no, no. I didn't forget. Just wanted to see if anyone was on the ball.! Well done JimBob!! Barry ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose | --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | | | In a message dated 1/16/2006 5:48:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, | barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: | | I have traced about 270 of the Bathtub and Speedline nacelle Models that have | been modified with the installation of a Miller nose. | | | SIR BARRY. | | You forgot the 6 that had the "Little Rock" nose installed;_) jb | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:33 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Maybe a relief tube to go with those loooong range tanks. bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 1/15/2006 8:11:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, N395V@direcway.com writes: If you are looking for speed The best speed mods are #1 Buy a good GPS, and use it. Fly everywhere "GPS Direct" and #2 bigger gas tanks:-) jb ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:31 PM PST US From: BillLeff1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com Flap gap seals actually improve takeoff performance even though they close off the gap somewhat. Bill Leff ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:31 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 1/16/2006 5:36:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, BillLeff1@aol.com writes: Flap gap seals actually improve takeoff performance even though they close off the gap somewhat. That is not true:-) I have empirical knowledge of this. I operated from a very short (1600) strip at 2500 ft above sea level. After installing the gap seals, the TO (and landing) performance suffered noticeably. In fact, I was so disappointed that I never painted the gap seals, wondering if I might remove them. They do however give the advertised increase in speed. If you always fly from a long (3000 ft) I recommend them. jb ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:42 PM PST US From: Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Shrike nose --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall Has anyone tried to add Vortex Generators on a field approval? There is one 500B that has them on it and I was told that they were a great help in lowering approach speeds and lower single engine control speed. They were installed on a one time STC. Sir Berry can tell us who has them. Tylor Hall On Jan 16, 2006, at 7:19 PM, YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com > > > In a message dated 1/16/2006 5:36:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > BillLeff1@aol.com writes: > > Flap gap seals actually improve takeoff performance even though > they close > off the gap somewhat. > > > That is not true:-) I have empirical knowledge of this. I > operated from a > very short (1600) strip at 2500 ft above sea level. After > installing the gap > seals, the TO (and landing) performance suffered noticeably. In > fact, I was > so disappointed that I never painted the gap seals, wondering if I > might > remove them. They do however give the advertised increase in > speed. If you > always fly from a long (3000 ft) I recommend them. jb > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:40 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Nose --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" I thought the long nose was so you could install a radar antenna with out having a wart on the nose. I thought the good looks just came with it. Jim Addington N444BD