Commander-List Digest Archive

Fri 01/20/06


Total Messages Posted: 43



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     1. 12:05 AM - Re: Interesting from Oz (John Vormbaum)
     2. 01:27 AM - Re: Interesting from Oz (Barry Collman)
     3. 05:21 AM - Re: Interesting from Oz (steve)
     4. 05:25 AM - Posting images (N395V)
     5. 07:52 AM - Re: Interesting from Oz (Tom Fisher)
     6. 07:53 AM - Re: Interesting from Oz (Tom Fisher)
     7. 08:17 AM - Re: Interesting from Oz (Deneal Schilmeister (iMac))
     8. 08:55 AM - 690A Up for Auction (BertBerry1@aol.com)
     9. 11:13 AM - chicken or egg (Chris Schuermann)
    10. 11:27 AM - Re: chicken or egg (Tom Fisher)
    11. 11:33 AM - Re: chicken or egg (John Vormbaum)
    12. 11:41 AM - New "Commander" in the family (Andrew & Bridget Watson)
    13. 11:46 AM - Re: chicken or egg (Bill Bow)
    14. 12:03 PM - Re: chicken or egg (John Vormbaum)
    15. 12:19 PM - Re: chicken or egg (Chris Schuermann)
    16. 01:18 PM - Re: New "Commander" in the family (todd@hindmarsh.us)
    17. 02:29 PM - Re: New "Commander" in the family (Don Girod)
    18. 02:39 PM - Re: chicken or egg (Jody Pillatzki)
    19. 03:04 PM - FW: Airframe life expectancy (steve)
    20. 03:04 PM - Re: chicken or egg (John Vormbaum)
    21. 03:19 PM - New "Commander" in the family (css nico)
    22. 03:36 PM - Re: FW: Airframe life expectancy (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    23. 03:36 PM - Re: chicken or egg (css nico)
    24. 03:56 PM - Re: FW: Airframe life expectancy (steve)
    25. 04:30 PM - List Snipers (John Vormbaum)
    26. 04:33 PM - Re: chicken or egg (Tom Fisher)
    27. 04:37 PM - Re: FW: Airframe life expectancy (BertBerry1@aol.com)
    28. 04:41 PM - Re: chicken or egg or spam? (Chris Schuermann)
    29. 05:00 PM - (no subject) (BertBerry1@aol.com)
    30. 05:01 PM - Re: chicken or egg (Allen Reed)
    31. 06:19 PM - Re: chicken or egg (Chris Schuermann)
    32. 06:26 PM - Re: chicken or egg (Nancy & Roland Gilliam)
    33. 06:27 PM - Re: chicken or egg or spam? (N395V)
    34. 06:34 PM - Re: chicken or egg (Chris Schuermann)
    35. 06:35 PM - Re: chicken or egg or spam? (Tom Fisher)
    36. 06:45 PM - nothing to do with anything but spam (Chris Schuermann)
    37. 07:15 PM - Re: New "Commander" in the family (AEROCOMAND@aol.com)
    38. 07:20 PM - Re: chicken or egg (css nico)
    39. 07:29 PM - Re: nothing to do with anything but spam (John Vormbaum)
    40. 09:24 PM - Past Present Future (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    41. 09:53 PM - Re: Past Present Future (Don Girod)
    42. 10:13 PM - Re: Past Present Future (CloudCraft@aol.com)
    43. 11:27 PM - Re: Past Present Future (John Vormbaum)
 
 
 


Message 1


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    Time: 12:05:35 AM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: Interesting from Oz
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> [rant] You know, These solicitous emails by someone whose email is SKYHAWK172 are getting extremely tiresome. I seldom jump into the fray with so opinionated a stance, but this really irks me. Not 60 days ago we (COMMANDER listees) had a conversation about how we have a very small community to begin with; we mentioned how strong the Matronics forum is, how Matt Dralle has stood by us for years (with nothing to gain except the annual cost-covering good samaritan contribution) and how dividing a community as small as ours could only hurt us in the long run. As a group, and reply emails supported this, we decided that we would stick to this forum for its simplicity, its proven knowledge base (hello Sir Barry, Jimbob, Mason, Nico, Harry, Chris S. etc!), its widespread acceptance, and its effectiveness. However, 1 in 10 messages on this list are from Joe Skyhawk attempting to lure users away. I'm sick of it. Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. If you need friends, there are probably 35,000 Chickenhawk pilots that you could lure to another site. /John PS: I've been to Joe Skyhawk's site. Nothing there, really. Add to that the fact that he needs to keep posting questions HERE to get answers to the basics, and it makes me wonder why someone with obviously so little Commander knowledge/experience (read: interest) feels the need to create his own portal. Is there a profit motive? PPS: We need Joe Skyhawk even less, now, since Matt has created an online forum version of our list....that *automatically* posts these emails. [/rant] ----- Original Message ----- From: <skyhawkC-172@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > --> Commander-List message posted by: skyhawkC-172@comcast.net > > If you like, Post it on: > twincommanderflyer.com > it's easy, and the group can use it as a back-up for issues like this. > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall >> >> Steve, >> All attachments are stripped off when it is sent to the group. >> You can send to an individual or send it to Nico and he posts things >> on his web site like photos and PDF's. >> >> By the way did you see the 685 that is for sale in Japan that has a >> camera in it? >> It is listed in Trade-a-plane. Japan to OZ is closer than coming >> from the US. >> >> Tylor Hall >> >> On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:23 PM, steve wrote: >> >> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" >> > >> > Here is the attachment again. Only 380KB PDF article. Don't know >> > why it >> > did not go through earlier. >> > >> > Steve G >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve >> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM >> > To: commander-list@matronics.com >> > Subject: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz >> > >> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" >> > >> > My business partner in Oz who is looking for a good surveillance >> > aircraft >> > sent this to me as we were looking at one of the original AC560 E's >> > VH CAU, >> > to purchase for the mission. Just a matter of interest to those of >> > you that >> > may have not seen it before. >> > >> > >> > >> > Steve Gilson >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > If you like, Post it on: > twincommanderflyer.com > it's easy, and the group can use it as a back-up for issues like this. > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Tylor Hall tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net > > -- Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <TYLOR.HALL@SBCGLOBAL.NET> > > Steve, > All attachments are stripped off when it is sent to the group. > You can send to an individual or send it to Nico and he posts things > on his web site like photos and PDF's. > > By the way did you see the 685 that is for sale in Japan that has a > camera in it? > It is listed in Trade-a-plane. Japan to OZ is closer than coming > from the US. > > Tylor Hall > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:23 PM, steve wrote: > > -- Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <STEVEG@NTERNET.COM> > > Here is the attachment again. Only 380KB PDF article. Don't know > > why it > did not go through earlier. > > Steve G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > > -- Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <STEVEG@NTERNET.COM> > > My business partner in Oz who is looking for a good surveillance > aircraft > sent this to me as we were looking at one of the original AC560 E's > VH CAU, > to purchase for the mission. Just a matter of interest to those of > you that > may have not seen it before. > > > Steve Gilson <BR > > > > > ution Web Site - > > >


    Message 2


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    Time: 01:27:17 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Interesting from Oz
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sleep!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611@hotmail.com> | | Hi Barry: | | It's about 0152 over there, what do you do in the daytime? | | Regards to you, | | Jerry Sprayberry | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | To: <commander-list@matronics.com> | Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:41 PM | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | > | > Steve, | > | > If you copy the file to Nico, I'm sure he'll get something organised so | > those of | > us who'd like to see it can gain access to it. | > | > Very Best Regards, | > Barry | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg@nc.rr.com> | > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> | > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:31 AM | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz | > | > | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: Nancy & Roland Gilliam | > <amg@nc.rr.com> | > | | > | Still nothing on my screen. | > | | > | Roland | > | | > | | > | | > | steve wrote: | > | | > | >--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com> | > | > | > | >Here is the attachment again. Only 380KB PDF article. Don't know why | > it | > | >did not go through earlier. | > | > | > | >Steve G | > | > | > | >-----Original Message----- | > | >From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com | > | >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve | > | >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM | > | >To: commander-list@matronics.com | > | >Subject: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz | > | > | > | >--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com> | > | > | > | >My business partner in Oz who is looking for a good surveillance | > aircraft | > | >sent this to me as we were looking at one of the original AC560 E's VH | > CAU, | > | >to purchase for the mission. Just a matter of interest to those of you | > that | > | >may have not seen it before. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >Steve Gilson | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |


    Message 3


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    Time: 05:21:06 AM PST US
    From: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
    Subject: Interesting from Oz
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com> Tylor, OK. No problem. Sent to Nico and a few others off list. I recently ferried a Bonanza back from Santo Domingo Dom Rep for a friend and while there got pics of a few ACommanders sitting idly on the side of the Herrera airport. Will get them developed this weekend and send to NICO. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> Steve, All attachments are stripped off when it is sent to the group. You can send to an individual or send it to Nico and he posts things on his web site like photos and PDF's. By the way did you see the 685 that is for sale in Japan that has a camera in it? It is listed in Trade-a-plane. Japan to OZ is closer than coming from the US. Tylor Hall On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:23 PM, steve wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com> > > Here is the attachment again. Only 380KB PDF article. Don't know > why it > did not go through earlier. > > Steve G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com> > > My business partner in Oz who is looking for a good surveillance > aircraft > sent this to me as we were looking at one of the original AC560 E's > VH CAU, > to purchase for the mission. Just a matter of interest to those of > you that > may have not seen it before. > > > Steve Gilson > >


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    Time: 05:25:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Posting images
    From: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com> Go Here It is free. Cut thr address (last one offered) form your image and use th Img box above.[/url] -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5438#5438


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    Time: 07:52:16 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: Interesting from Oz
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> Skyhawk. In case you missed it we all (the ones who expressed their preferences) voted to keep our forum in one place (HERE). The constant suggestions from you (or someone from your Email address) indicates that you do not care what we within this forum want, I question your motives as to why you keep prodding members here to move/use your site. Give it up, please. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: <skyhawkC-172@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 22:58 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > --> Commander-List message posted by: skyhawkC-172@comcast.net > > If you like, Post it on: > twincommanderflyer.com > it's easy, and the group can use it as a back-up for issues like this. > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall > > > > Steve, > > All attachments are stripped off when it is sent to the group. > > You can send to an individual or send it to Nico and he posts things > > on his web site like photos and PDF's. > > > > By the way did you see the 685 that is for sale in Japan that has a > > camera in it? > > It is listed in Trade-a-plane. Japan to OZ is closer than coming > > from the US. > > > > Tylor Hall > > > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:23 PM, steve wrote: > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" > > > > > > Here is the attachment again. Only 380KB PDF article. Don't know > > > why it > > > did not go through earlier. > > > > > > Steve G > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve > > > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM > > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" > > > > > > My business partner in Oz who is looking for a good surveillance > > > aircraft > > > sent this to me as we were looking at one of the original AC560 E's > > > VH CAU, > > > to purchase for the mission. Just a matter of interest to those of > > > you that > > > may have not seen it before. > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Gilson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you like, Post it on: > twincommanderflyer.com > it's easy, and the group can use it as a back-up for issues like this. > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Tylor Hall tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net > > -- Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <TYLOR.HALL@SBCGLOBAL.NET> > > Steve, > All attachments are stripped off when it is sent to the group. > You can send to an individual or send it to Nico and he posts things > on his web site like photos and PDF's. > > By the way did you see the 685 that is for sale in Japan that has a > camera in it? > It is listed in Trade-a-plane. Japan to OZ is closer than coming > from the US. > > Tylor Hall > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:23 PM, steve wrote: > > -- Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <STEVEG@NTERNET.COM> > > Here is the attachment again. Only 380KB PDF article. Don't know > > why it > did not go through earlier. > > Steve G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > > -- Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <STEVEG@NTERNET.COM> > > My business partner in Oz who is looking for a good surveillance > aircraft > sent this to me as we were looking at one of the original AC560 E's > VH CAU, > to purchase for the mission. Just a matter of interest to those of > you that > may have not seen it before. > > > Steve Gilson <BR > > > > > ution Web Site - > >


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    Time: 07:53:24 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: Interesting from Oz
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> I sent my response before I even saw this Email, great minds think alike. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 00:04 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> > > [rant] > > You know, > > These solicitous emails by someone whose email is SKYHAWK172 are getting > extremely tiresome. I seldom jump into the fray with so opinionated a > stance, but this really irks me. > > Not 60 days ago we (COMMANDER listees) had a conversation about how we have > a very small community to begin with; we mentioned how strong the Matronics > forum is, how Matt Dralle has stood by us for years (with nothing to gain > except the annual cost-covering good samaritan contribution) and how > dividing a community as small as ours could only hurt us in the long run. As > a group, and reply emails supported this, we decided that we would stick to > this forum for its simplicity, its proven knowledge base (hello Sir Barry, > Jimbob, Mason, Nico, Harry, Chris S. etc!), its widespread acceptance, and > its effectiveness. However, 1 in 10 messages on this list are from Joe > Skyhawk attempting to lure users away. I'm sick of it. > > Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. If you > need friends, there are probably 35,000 Chickenhawk pilots that you could > lure to another site. > > /John > > PS: I've been to Joe Skyhawk's site. Nothing there, really. Add to that the > fact that he needs to keep posting questions HERE to get answers to the > basics, and it makes me wonder why someone with obviously so little > Commander knowledge/experience (read: interest) feels the need to create his > own portal. Is there a profit motive? > > PPS: We need Joe Skyhawk even less, now, since Matt has created an online > forum version of our list....that *automatically* posts these emails. > > [/rant] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <skyhawkC-172@comcast.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: skyhawkC-172@comcast.net > > > > If you like, Post it on: > > twincommanderflyer.com > > it's easy, and the group can use it as a back-up for issues like this. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> > > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall > >> > >> Steve, > >> All attachments are stripped off when it is sent to the group. > >> You can send to an individual or send it to Nico and he posts things > >> on his web site like photos and PDF's. > >> > >> By the way did you see the 685 that is for sale in Japan that has a > >> camera in it? > >> It is listed in Trade-a-plane. Japan to OZ is closer than coming > >> from the US. > >> > >> Tylor Hall > >> > >> On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:23 PM, steve wrote: > >> > >> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" > >> > > >> > Here is the attachment again. Only 380KB PDF article. Don't know > >> > why it > >> > did not go through earlier. > >> > > >> > Steve G > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > >> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM > >> > To: commander-list@matronics.com > >> > Subject: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > >> > > >> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" > >> > > >> > My business partner in Oz who is looking for a good surveillance > >> > aircraft > >> > sent this to me as we were looking at one of the original AC560 E's > >> > VH CAU, > >> > to purchase for the mission. Just a matter of interest to those of > >> > you that > >> > may have not seen it before. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Steve Gilson > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > If you like, Post it on: > > twincommanderflyer.com > > it's easy, and the group can use it as a back-up for issues like this. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Tylor Hall tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net > > > > -- Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <TYLOR.HALL@SBCGLOBAL.NET> > > > > Steve, > > All attachments are stripped off when it is sent to the group. > > You can send to an individual or send it to Nico and he posts things > > on his web site like photos and PDF's. > > > > By the way did you see the 685 that is for sale in Japan that has a > > camera in it? > > It is listed in Trade-a-plane. Japan to OZ is closer than coming > > from the US. > > > > Tylor Hall > > > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:23 PM, steve wrote: > > > > -- Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <STEVEG@NTERNET.COM> > > > > Here is the attachment again. Only 380KB PDF article. Don't know > > > > why it > > did not go through earlier. > > > > Steve G > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve > > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: Interesting from Oz > > > > -- Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <STEVEG@NTERNET.COM> > > > > My business partner in Oz who is looking for a good surveillance > > aircraft > > sent this to me as we were looking at one of the original AC560 E's > > VH CAU, > > to purchase for the mission. Just a matter of interest to those of > > you that > > may have not seen it before. > > > > > > > > Steve Gilson <BR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ution Web Site - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:17:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Interesting from Oz
    From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net> On 1/20/06 2:04 AM, "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> wrote: > > Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. If you > need friends, there are probably 35,000 Chickenhawk pilots that you could > lure to another site. I totally agree with John's rant. A rant is good every now and again! -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals


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    Time: 08:55:41 AM PST US
    From: BertBerry1@aol.com
    Subject: 690A Up for Auction
    --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com Just In case someone is in the market, I found this last night. Its NOAA's 690A up for auction. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/gsaauctions/ Bert


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    Time: 11:13:36 AM PST US
    From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> >>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards improving that situation. When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... The "market" will decide. chris


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    Time: 11:27:43 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> You make a point but I see it as yet another annoying piece of Email that I have to scrutinize as to whether I am going to delete it or not without viewing it as I do to some 60% of my Email/Spam. I prefer to have one good site (maybe room for improvement) as opposed to many not so good sites. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> > > > >>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. > > > I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put > together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't > really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of > the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, > there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange > perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new > and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the > skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying > to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least > trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the > status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. > Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in > Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards > improving that situation. > When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing > Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and > decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but > to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more > appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply > found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and > he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... > The "market" will decide. > > chris > >


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    Time: 11:33:33 AM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent "go here" emails. When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, "golly gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of forum, and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think it's his approach & attitude causing the problem. /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> > > >>>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. > > > I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put > together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't > really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of > the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, > there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange > perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new > and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the > skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying > to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least > trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the > status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. > Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in > Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards > improving that situation. > When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing > Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and > decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but > to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more > appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply > found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and > he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... > The "market" will decide. > > chris > > >


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    Time: 11:41:01 AM PST US
    From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@telus.net>
    Subject: New "Commander" in the family
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@telus.net> Hi all, I just wanted to share a proud moment in our lives. We've just got back from China with our new "Commander". We completed the adoption of our new daughter, Rebecca Marion Na-Ci Watson, from the Fuzhou Orphanage in Jiangxi province in China on January 10. She's 19 months old and can speak a few words of Mandarin, which is a few more than we can... She copies everything we do, so she'll pick up English very quickly from now. Things have been quite overwhelming for her; the flight from Beijing (where we had to go to complete the Canadian immigration requirements) to Vancouver was difficult, and last night at home was a total upheaval. Time change, totally different surroundings, new things like dogs and cats, and possibly the fact that she recognised that we are now in a house, as opposed to a hotel, probably signified to her that everything was final, all led to a really difficult time last night. One thing that we found really amazing was that she had a Crucifix, a St. Christopher, and a Catholic prayer card in her pocket. There are not many Christian people in China, but those that are, attend Catholic churches, which are officially sanctioned by the state. We're Christians, so it was a real blessing to know that Rebecca's previous care-giver at the orphanage was Christian. A lot of prayer has gone up for our little daughter, and to us, this is God saying "See... I have kept my promise, your daughter is safe and has been loved and cared for by the best person I could find." Rebecca is a beautiful child. Wherever we went people would comment on her beauty (and of course, to criticise us that we weren't dressing her warmly enough - despite the fact that she was sweating under layers of clothing). Her parents "left her to be found" on the steps of the Fuzhou No. 2 Hospital in Fuzhou, Jiangxi, the day after was born. For those of you that have prayed for us on our adoption journey, thank you and keep praying, please! Best regards and God bless, Andrew


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    Time: 11:46:41 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
    Subject: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is allowed to participate.....???? bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent "go here" emails. When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, "golly gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of forum, and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think it's his approach & attitude causing the problem. /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> > > >>>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. > > > I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put > together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't > really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of > the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, > there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange > perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new > and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the > skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying > to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least > trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the > status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. > Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in > Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards > improving that situation. > When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing > Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and > decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but > to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more > appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply > found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and > he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... > The "market" will decide. > > chris > > >


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    Time: 12:03:43 PM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Bilbo, True. But Chris's motives are to share knowledge and strengthen the group. We all know he's a fantastic contributor. We don't know Joe Skyhawk's motives, but based on what we've seen here, it's fairly easy to conclude that he just wants to lure people to his site. What has he contributed? Nothing. The interface at his site isn't even that great. As far as knowledge, there doesn't seem to be any of that there either. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> > > I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is > allowed > to participate.....???? > > bilbo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:33 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> > > Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he > participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or > want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent > "go here" emails. > > When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, > "golly > > gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of > forum, > > and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I > would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think > it's > his approach & attitude causing the problem. > > /J > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 AM > Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> >> >> >>>>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. >> >> >> I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put >> together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't >> really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of >> the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, >> there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange >> perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new >> and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the >> skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying >> to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least >> trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the >> status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. >> Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in >> Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards >> improving that situation. >> When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing >> Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and >> decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but >> to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more >> appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply >> found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and >> he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... >> The "market" will decide. >> >> chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 12:19:52 PM PST US
    From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> Bill Bow wrote: > I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is allowed > to participate.....???? I just got smart.... I don't "participate" either - I just butt in. I'm kinda like the grumpy old geezers from the muppet show as well as the self-appointed chat list police..... basicly a total jerk. (at least according to those who love me and acknowledge to my great and total knowledge of life, the universe, and everything). Now where did I leave my towel....??? That's rather an important item to have with you at all times. chris do not archive


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    Time: 01:18:59 PM PST US
    From: todd@hindmarsh.us
    Subject: New "Commander" in the family
    --> Commander-List message posted by: todd@hindmarsh.us Congratulations to the Watson's! Todd N6229B > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Commander-List: New "Commander" in the family > From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@telus.net> > Date: Fri, January 20, 2006 1:40 pm > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@telus.net> > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to share a proud moment in our lives. > > We've just got back from China with our new "Commander". We completed the adoption of our new daughter, Rebecca Marion Na-Ci Watson, from the Fuzhou Orphanage in Jiangxi province in China on January 10. She's 19 months old and can speak a few words of Mandarin, which is a few more than we can... She copies everything we do, so she'll pick up English very quickly from now. > > Things have been quite overwhelming for her; the flight from Beijing (where we had to go to complete the Canadian immigration requirements) to Vancouver was difficult, and last night at home was a total upheaval. Time change, totally different surroundings, new things like dogs and cats, and possibly the fact that she recognised that we are now in a house, as opposed to a hotel, probably signified to her that everything was final, all led to a really difficult time last night. > > One thing that we found really amazing was that she had a Crucifix, a St. Christopher, and a Catholic prayer card in her pocket. There are not many Christian people in China, but those that are, attend Catholic churches, which are officially sanctioned by the state. We're Christians, so it was a real blessing to know that Rebecca's previous care-giver at the orphanage was Christian. A lot of prayer has gone up for our little daughter, and to us, this is God saying "See... I have kept my promise, your daughter is safe and has been loved and cared for by the best person I could find." > > Rebecca is a beautiful child. Wherever we went people would comment on her beauty (and of course, to criticise us that we weren't dressing her warmly enough - despite the fact that she was sweating under layers of clothing). Her parents "left her to be found" on the steps of the Fuzhou No. 2 Hospital in Fuzhou, Jiangxi, the day after was born. > > For those of you that have prayed for us on our adoption journey, thank you and keep praying, please! > > Best regards and God bless, > Andrew > > > > >


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    Time: 02:29:06 PM PST US
    From: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: New "Commander" in the family
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net> Congradulations! I think God must be smiling. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@telus.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: Commander-List: New "Commander" in the family > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" > <andrew.bridget@telus.net> > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to share a proud moment in our lives. > > We've just got back from China with our new "Commander". We completed the > adoption of our new daughter, Rebecca Marion Na-Ci Watson, from the Fuzhou > Orphanage in Jiangxi province in China on January 10. She's 19 months old > and can speak a few words of Mandarin, which is a few more than we can... > She copies everything we do, so she'll pick up English very quickly from > now. > > Things have been quite overwhelming for her; the flight from Beijing > (where we had to go to complete the Canadian immigration requirements) to > Vancouver was difficult, and last night at home was a total upheaval. Time > change, totally different surroundings, new things like dogs and cats, and > possibly the fact that she recognised that we are now in a house, as > opposed to a hotel, probably signified to her that everything was final, > all led to a really difficult time last night. > > One thing that we found really amazing was that she had a Crucifix, a St. > Christopher, and a Catholic prayer card in her pocket. There are not many > Christian people in China, but those that are, attend Catholic churches, > which are officially sanctioned by the state. We're Christians, so it was > a real blessing to know that Rebecca's previous care-giver at the > orphanage was Christian. A lot of prayer has gone up for our little > daughter, and to us, this is God saying "See... I have kept my promise, > your daughter is safe and has been loved and cared for by the best person > I could find." > > Rebecca is a beautiful child. Wherever we went people would comment on her > beauty (and of course, to criticise us that we weren't dressing her warmly > enough - despite the fact that she was sweating under layers of clothing). > Her parents "left her to be found" on the steps of the Fuzhou No. 2 > Hospital in Fuzhou, Jiangxi, the day after was born. > > For those of you that have prayed for us on our adoption journey, thank > you and keep praying, please! > > Best regards and God bless, > Andrew > > >


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    Time: 02:39:04 PM PST US
    From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki@702com.net>
    Subject: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki@702com.net> Actually, he does own a commander. He does love, and has had some other experiences in them before buying his own. I guess I could ask for a bio from everyone before I post or ask questions at this site as well, so that I can profile them to see if they are worth communicating with. Jody Pillatzki P.S. I own a commander as well, and I have a family, and am a Christian, I hope I make to the cut!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is allowed to participate.....???? bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent "go here" emails. When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, "golly gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of forum, and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think it's his approach & attitude causing the problem. /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> > > >>>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. > > > I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put > together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't > really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of > the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, > there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange > perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new > and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the > skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying > to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least > trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the > status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. > Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in > Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards > improving that situation. > When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing > Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and > decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but > to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more > appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply > found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and > he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... > The "market" will decide. > > chris > > >


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    Time: 03:04:08 PM PST US
    From: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
    Subject: FW: Airframe life expectancy
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com> I forwarded Jim's earlier email to my partner and his response is below. I have not had time to review and research as Michael has. Seems crazy to me that Oz sees winglets as capable of cutting a Commanders life in half. My last AC500 had winglets and other than watching for corrosion at the connection points and overall body I see no threat. Just another part of the aircraft to inspect and maintain. Any knowledgeable comments pertaining to Oz. Is Michael misreading something here?? Steve G -----Original Message----- From: Michael Pont [mailto:mpont2@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: RE: Airframe life expectancy I have read all the CASA airworthiness directives for ACs. A 560E can fly full life. Later models with winglets fitted later have their lives halved. This goes for all aircraft with winglets fitted after manufacture. I will have an inspection done before any decision is made. Thanks for the info Michael -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:steveg@nternet.com] Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2006 12:41 AM Subject: FW: Airframe life expectancy FYI -----Original Message----- From: beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org [mailto:beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Jim or Rose Osborn Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: B: Airframe life expectancy For U.S. certified aircraft, the FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet (TCDS) is controlling. Unless the TCDS specifies certain life limits for airframe and/or components, as is the case with certain helicopter components and for pressurized aircraft like the P-Baron and Malibu (about 10,000 hours each), then no other life limits apply. That's true also of aircraft manufactured and certified in any country under the ICAO umbrella. With annual inspections and other ongoing normal maintenance, there's not much risk of GA aircraft falling victim to airframe fatigue without the victim first being voluntarily dispatched to aluminum heaven. Jim Osborn


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    Time: 03:04:10 PM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Gee, that's great. Why didn't he just say so before hijacking this forum? Incidentally, why doesn't he just stop hijacking it right now, and perhaps introduce himself, like all of us have done over the last few years? /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki@702com.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody Pillatzki" > <Jpillatzki@702com.net> > > Actually, he does own a commander. He does love, and has had some other > experiences in them before buying his own. I guess I could ask for a bio > from everyone before I post or ask questions at this site as well, so that > I > can profile them to see if they are worth communicating with. > > Jody > Pillatzki > > P.S. I own a commander as well, and I have a family, and am a Christian, I > hope I make to the cut!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:47 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> > > I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is > allowed > to participate.....???? > > bilbo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:33 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> > > Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he > participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or > want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent > "go here" emails. > > When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, > "golly > > gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of > forum, > > and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I > would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think > it's > his approach & attitude causing the problem. > > /J > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 AM > Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> >> >> >>>>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. >> >> >> I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put >> together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't >> really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of >> the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, >> there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange >> perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new >> and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the >> skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying >> to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least >> trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the >> status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. >> Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in >> Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards >> improving that situation. >> When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing >> Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and >> decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but >> to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more >> appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply >> found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and >> he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... >> The "market" will decide. >> >> chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 03:19:35 PM PST US
    From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: New "Commander" in the family
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> God bless, Andrew and Bridget. A couple of photos would be in order, don't you think? Are you guys Canadian citizens already? Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@telus.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Commander-List: New "Commander" in the family > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget@telus.net> > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to share a proud moment in our lives. > > We've just got back from China with our new "Commander". We completed the adoption of our new daughter, Rebecca Marion Na-Ci Watson, from the Fuzhou Orphanage in Jiangxi province in China on January 10. She's 19 months old and can speak a few words of Mandarin, which is a few more than we can... She copies everything we do, so she'll pick up English very quickly from now. > > Things have been quite overwhelming for her; the flight from Beijing (where we had to go to complete the Canadian immigration requirements) to Vancouver was difficult, and last night at home was a total upheaval. Time change, totally different surroundings, new things like dogs and cats, and possibly the fact that she recognised that we are now in a house, as opposed to a hotel, probably signified to her that everything was final, all led to a really difficult time last night. > > One thing that we found really amazing was that she had a Crucifix, a St. Christopher, and a Catholic prayer card in her pocket. There are not many Christian people in China, but those that are, attend Catholic churches, which are officially sanctioned by the state. We're Christians, so it was a real blessing to know that Rebecca's previous care-giver at the orphanage was Christian. A lot of prayer has gone up for our little daughter, and to us, this is God saying "See... I have kept my promise, your daughter is safe and has been loved and cared for by the best person I could find." > > Rebecca is a beautiful child. Wherever we went people would comment on her beauty (and of course, to criticise us that we weren't dressing her warmly enough - despite the fact that she was sweating under layers of clothing). Her parents "left her to be found" on the steps of the Fuzhou No. 2 Hospital in Fuzhou, Jiangxi, the day after was born. > > For those of you that have prayed for us on our adoption journey, thank you and keep praying, please! > > Best regards and God bless, > Andrew > >


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    Time: 03:36:18 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: FW: Airframe life expectancy
    --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com Good Evening Steve, I certainly do not understand why the folks down under want to extract such a penalty from those who attempt to improve their flying machines, but may I make a comment? Adding winglets should make the outer portion of the wing more efficient. Something like a tip plate. Getting a little more lift out there means that the center of pressure (lift) moves outboard a bit. Moving the lifting point outboard causes a greater bending moment at whatever point the bending moment is calculated. It appears to me that the people in charge down there are making those onerous noises in an effort to force someone to develop data that will show the increased bending moment is not great enough to demand cutting the useful life in half. Has anyone developed such data? One the other hand: Why not maintain the airplane as a US registered aircraft? Are we not allowed to fly our US registered airplanes in Australia and then use US standards? Just in case it matters, I do not own a Commander, but I did fly them quite a bit forty to fifty years ago. I enjoy your list, but will leave if asked. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 1/20/2006 5:04:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, steveg@nternet.com writes: I forwarded Jim's earlier email to my partner and his response is below. I have not had time to review and research as Michael has. Seems crazy to me that Oz sees winglets as capable of cutting a Commanders life in half. My last AC500 had winglets and other than watching for corrosion at the connection points and overall body I see no threat. Just another part of the aircraft to inspect and maintain. Any knowledgeable comments pertaining to Oz. Is Michael misreading something here?? Steve G


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    Time: 03:36:49 PM PST US
    From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> Folks, Let's not get off the deep end here. Anyone with a love for aviation and Commanders in particular would congregate, in a virtual sense, in aviation related websites. This site is particularly enjoyable mostly because of the love we share for this particular airplane and the valuable knowledge that its members share without regard of cost or effort. It's free and people can come and go as they please. The site was built on the shoulders of people who believed that it had a place in the market place of ideas and free speech, and its mere existence proves that they were right. Let's not ask people if they should be here or not; they will leave if what we do doesn't interest them any longer and those that want to be here will not leave unless we insult them. Chris has been a pillar of strength in this community and his efforts in starting the site and getting it off the ground has created momentum from which we all benefit. Skyhawk's insistence on getting people to join his site cuts the wrong way with most folks, and that's my (not always) humble opinion, because he doesn't propose to contribute anything to the site. He has a right to say what he wants - he might not have the privilege of acceptance from everybody. That's my 2c worth. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki@702com.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki@702com.net> > > Actually, he does own a commander. He does love, and has had some other > experiences in them before buying his own. I guess I could ask for a bio > from everyone before I post or ask questions at this site as well, so that I > can profile them to see if they are worth communicating with. > > Jody > Pillatzki > > P.S. I own a commander as well, and I have a family, and am a Christian, I > hope I make to the cut!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:47 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> > > I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is allowed > to participate.....???? > > bilbo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:33 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> > > Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he > participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or > want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent > "go here" emails. > > When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, "golly > > gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of forum, > > and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I > would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think it's > his approach & attitude causing the problem. > > /J > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 AM > Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> > > > > > >>>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. > > > > > > I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put > > together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't > > really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of > > the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, > > there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange > > perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new > > and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the > > skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying > > to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least > > trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the > > status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. > > Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in > > Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards > > improving that situation. > > When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing > > Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and > > decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but > > to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more > > appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply > > found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and > > he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... > > The "market" will decide. > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:56:22 PM PST US
    From: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
    Subject: FW: Airframe life expectancy
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com> Bob, Your input and knowledge are invaluable. I was part owner of AC500 N6291B with Rob. Now only own Bonanza E35 N52DF and participate on both lists. Dream of owning another AC500 and may wind up doing so with my Australian business associate or may not. Either way, both lists are full of talented, knowledgeable people that feed my thirst for aviation knowledge, particularly involving specific types of aircraft. You even got me looking at the new Xerion for my Bonanza the other day. Might do it!! Thanks, Steve G -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Airframe life expectancy --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com Good Evening Steve, I certainly do not understand why the folks down under want to extract such a penalty from those who attempt to improve their flying machines, but may I make a comment? Adding winglets should make the outer portion of the wing more efficient. Something like a tip plate. Getting a little more lift out there means that the center of pressure (lift) moves outboard a bit. Moving the lifting point outboard causes a greater bending moment at whatever point the bending moment is calculated. It appears to me that the people in charge down there are making those onerous noises in an effort to force someone to develop data that will show the increased bending moment is not great enough to demand cutting the useful life in half. Has anyone developed such data? One the other hand: Why not maintain the airplane as a US registered aircraft? Are we not allowed to fly our US registered airplanes in Australia and then use US standards? Just in case it matters, I do not own a Commander, but I did fly them quite a bit forty to fifty years ago. I enjoy your list, but will leave if asked. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 1/20/2006 5:04:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, steveg@nternet.com writes: I forwarded Jim's earlier email to my partner and his response is below. I have not had time to review and research as Michael has. Seems crazy to me that Oz sees winglets as capable of cutting a Commanders life in half. My last AC500 had winglets and other than watching for corrosion at the connection points and overall body I see no threat. Just another part of the aircraft to inspect and maintain. Any knowledgeable comments pertaining to Oz. Is Michael misreading something here?? Steve G


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    Time: 04:30:16 PM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: List Snipers
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Guys, This wasn't meant to become a flame war; it was just (what I thought) was an appropriate expression of my displeasure at the breach of etiquette exhibited by joe skyhawk. If he's a Commander fan, than by all means, JOIN IN on the discussions. INTRODUCE yourself. I don't even know this person's name--I'm reduced to calling him (her?) joe skyhawk, and he's trying to get me to patronize his site? I live in the Silicon Valley, work in the technology industry, and spend a large part of my life either on the Internet or working on tasks that relate to it. Perhaps I'm a little sensitive. If so, I apologize. /J


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    Time: 04:33:38 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam. Last word. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 15:35 Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> > > Folks, > Let's not get off the deep end here. Anyone with a love for aviation and > Commanders in particular would congregate, in a virtual sense, in aviation > related websites. This site is particularly enjoyable mostly because of the > love we share for this particular airplane and the valuable knowledge that > its members share without regard of cost or effort. It's free and people can > come and go as they please. The site was built on the shoulders of people > who believed that it had a place in the market place of ideas and free > speech, and its mere existence proves that they were right. > > Let's not ask people if they should be here or not; they will leave if what > we do doesn't interest them any longer and those that want to be here will > not leave unless we insult them. > > Chris has been a pillar of strength in this community and his efforts in > starting the site and getting it off the ground has created momentum from > which we all benefit. Skyhawk's insistence on getting people to join his > site cuts the wrong way with most folks, and that's my (not always) humble > opinion, because he doesn't propose to contribute anything to the site. He > has a right to say what he wants - he might not have the privilege of > acceptance from everybody. > > That's my 2c worth. > > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki@702com.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:38 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody Pillatzki" > <Jpillatzki@702com.net> > > > > Actually, he does own a commander. He does love, and has had some other > > experiences in them before buying his own. I guess I could ask for a bio > > from everyone before I post or ask questions at this site as well, so that > I > > can profile them to see if they are worth communicating with. > > > > Jody > > Pillatzki > > > > P.S. I own a commander as well, and I have a family, and am a Christian, I > > hope I make to the cut!! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:47 PM > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> > > > > I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is > allowed > > to participate.....???? > > > > bilbo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > > Vormbaum > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:33 PM > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> > > > > Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he > > participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or > > want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent > > "go here" emails. > > > > When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, > "golly > > > > gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of > forum, > > > > and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I > > would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think > it's > > his approach & attitude causing the problem. > > > > /J > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> > > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 AM > > Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > <cschuerm@cox.net> > > > > > > > > >>>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. > > > > > > > > > I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put > > > together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't > > > really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of > > > the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, > > > there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange > > > perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new > > > and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the > > > skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying > > > to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least > > > trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the > > > status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. > > > Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in > > > Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards > > > improving that situation. > > > When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing > > > Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and > > > decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but > > > to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more > > > appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply > > > found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and > > > he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... > > > The "market" will decide. > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:37:21 PM PST US
    From: BertBerry1@aol.com
    Subject: Re: FW: Airframe life expectancy
    --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com I must have missed the whole winglets conversation. Is that an article posted somewhere? Bert


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    Time: 04:41:11 PM PST US
    From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg or spam?
    --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> > Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam. > Last word. Another excellent addition to the searchable archives. In return, I offer the following: http://www.mailmsg.com/sounds/spam-song.wav <with appologies to sir Barry and his countrymen> do not archive


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    Time: 05:00:36 PM PST US
    From: BertBerry1@aol.com
    Subject: (no subject)
    --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com Ok, your probably thinking, why doesn't Bert just go to the website and look through the threads and see what they are talking about. Well normally I would do that but tonight I'm sitting in an airport using my Blackberry and it won't bring up the website for some reason are the other.... Now I'm not a Commander owner either. But I grew up in one and my Dad was a Commander dealer for years. And I think I contribute to the list as much as the other guy. But this can be somewhat of a cold environment sometimes. If this list was intended for JUST CURRENT Commander Owners, Drivers ...etc. then maybe someone should say it and get it over with. Bert


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    Time: 05:01:59 PM PST US
    From: "Allen Reed" <allen_reed2@hotmail.com>
    Subject: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Allen Reed" <allen_reed2@hotmail.com> If you miss Aerocommander.com ,,,you might be a "RED-NECK" Commander pilot!!! Big Al >From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:14:10 -0600 > >--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> > > > >>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. > > >I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put >together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't >really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of >the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, >there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange >perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new >and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the >skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying >to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least >trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the >status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. >Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in >Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards >improving that situation. >When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing >Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and >decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but >to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more >appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply >found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and >he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... >The "market" will decide. > >chris > >


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    Time: 06:19:44 PM PST US
    From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> Allen Reed wrote: > If you miss Aerocommander.com ,,,you might be a "RED-NECK" Commander > pilot!!! Big Al Big Al! This just proves that the chatter is bringing people out of the woodwork. Al was last seen duct-taping a couple of gators to the wings of Lucille before attempting a "swamp-35" departure. We heard him yell: "hey y'all! Watch this!" right before he sunk into the mud. The augementors made an erie sound as they submerged into the swamp.... do not archive


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    Time: 06:26:42 PM PST US
    From: Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg@nc.rr.com> Hello. Maybe I should formally introduce myself so I won't receive the rath from above. I purchased the 500 Commander from Rob and Steve some months ago. This is my first Commander and I have always wanted one. ,However I have several other planes and like all of them. Not everyone can afford or wants an airplane, but from my point of view the forum is for anyone that is interested in the Aero Commander. I frequent the other site, and see some of the names of you guys on there also. I personally do not think that Skyhawk had any motive other than trying to be friendly in what he posted on this forum. One thing I do like about the other site is a map showing where everyone is located. My name is Roland Gilliam from Carthage N.C, . My airport is Gilliam- Mcconnell Airfield 5nc3 I am not soliciting anything I just like flying (49 years worth) another ancient aviator!! Sincerely Roland PS If my comments are not in order, I'm sure someone will let me know. css ni co wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> > >Folks, >Let's not get off the deep end here. Anyone with a love for aviation and >Commanders in particular would congregate, in a virtual sense, in aviation >related websites. This site is particularly enjoyable mostly because of the >love we share for this particular airplane and the valuable knowledge that >its members share without regard of cost or effort. It's free and people can >come and go as they please. The site was built on the shoulders of people >who believed that it had a place in the market place of ideas and free >speech, and its mere existence proves that they were right. > >Let's not ask people if they should be here or not; they will leave if what >we do doesn't interest them any longer and those that want to be here will >not leave unless we insult them. > >Chris has been a pillar of strength in this community and his efforts in >starting the site and getting it off the ground has created momentum from >which we all benefit. Skyhawk's insistence on getting people to join his >site cuts the wrong way with most folks, and that's my (not always) humble >opinion, because he doesn't propose to contribute anything to the site. He >has a right to say what he wants - he might not have the privilege of >acceptance from everybody. > >That's my 2c worth. > >Nico > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki@702com.net> >To: <commander-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:38 PM >Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > > > >>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody Pillatzki" >> >> ><Jpillatzki@702com.net> > > >>Actually, he does own a commander. He does love, and has had some other >>experiences in them before buying his own. I guess I could ask for a bio >>from everyone before I post or ask questions at this site as well, so that >> >> >I > > >>can profile them to see if they are worth communicating with. >> >>Jody >>Pillatzki >> >>P.S. I own a commander as well, and I have a family, and am a Christian, I >>hope I make to the cut!! >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow >>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:47 PM >>To: commander-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg >> >>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> >> >>I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is >> >> >allowed > > >>to participate.....???? >> >>bilbo >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John >>Vormbaum >>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:33 PM >>To: commander-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg >> >>--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> >> >>Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he >>participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or >>want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent >>"go here" emails. >> >>When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, >> >> >"golly > > >>gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of >> >> >forum, > > >>and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I >>would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think >> >> >it's > > >>his approach & attitude causing the problem. >> >>/J >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> >>To: <commander-list@matronics.com> >>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 AM >>Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg >> >> >> >> >>>--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann >>> >>> ><cschuerm@cox.net> > > >>> >>> >>>>>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. >>>>> >>>>> >>>I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put >>>together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't >>>really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of >>>the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, >>>there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange >>>perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new >>>and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the >>>skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying >>>to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least >>>trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the >>>status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. >>>Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in >>>Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards >>>improving that situation. >>>When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing >>>Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and >>>decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but >>>to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more >>>appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply >>>found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and >>>he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... >>>The "market" will decide. >>> >>>chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:27:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg or spam?
    From: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com> [Rolling Eyes] Chris, That is just "plane" weird. :) -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5615#5615


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    Time: 06:34:19 PM PST US
    From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> css nico wrote: > will not leave unless we insult them. AH! I finally understand the key to moderating a chatlist. Just insult the nuts and they'll go away. If only I'd known that years ago.... :-) Nico, your comments are appreciated but far too kind. Thank you. cs do not archive


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    Time: 06:35:50 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg or spam?
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> lol, That is exactly the song I was singing. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 16:42 Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg or spam? > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> > > > > Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam. > > Last word. > > Another excellent addition to the searchable archives. In return, I > offer the following: > http://www.mailmsg.com/sounds/spam-song.wav > > <with appologies to sir Barry and his countrymen> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:45:04 PM PST US
    From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
    Subject: nothing to do with anything but spam
    --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> N395V wrote: > [Rolling Eyes] Chris, > > That is just "plane" weird. :) Thank you. Since you enjoyed that so, I'll put my Vogon mask on and try out some poetry. I promise this will be my only attempt at spam humour and my last non-commander-related post. (unless Monty Python visits me in my dreams tonight and inspires me further) Ode to SPAM(tm) Oh SPAM(tm)! Oh SPAM(tm)! Gourmet delight! My food by day, my dreams by night. To carve, to slice, to dice you up - pureed in a blender and sipped from a cup. What shining deity from Olympus knelt down to the earth and hog butt smelt? Creating then man's eternal desire for swine entrails congealed by fire. On some corporate farm, a pig has died. Eyes, tongue, and snout end up inside that cube of SPAM(tm) hidden in the can I now hold in my trembling hand. More than mere food, SPAM(tm) is for me a hedonistic expression of gluttonous glee. Mottled with pork fat, the pink cube engrosses. My mouth takes it in, my intestine disposes. Long have my arteries clogged to the sound of sizzling SPAM(tm) when there's no one around - furtively chewing or swallowing whole. Triple bypass by forty, my medical goal. Other processed meat products I've tried or declined Vienna Sausages, Treet, even pig's feet in brine. Though each may be tasty in different ways, none matches SPAM(tm) for gelatinous glaze. That glistening pinkness beckons me with gristle, fat, and BHT. Oh SPAM(tm), my SPAM(tm) - the taste, the smell! The sacred meat product, from Hormel. do not archive


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    Time: 07:15:27 PM PST US
    From: AEROCOMAND@aol.com
    Subject: Re: New "Commander" in the family
    --> Commander-List message posted by: AEROCOMAND@aol.com BEST NEWS I HEARD ON JANUARY 20,2006..... HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND U -ALL ADIOS


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    Time: 07:20:21 PM PST US
    From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Re: chicken or egg
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> One thing about the folks on this site - they have a sense of humor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg@nc.rr.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg > --> Commander-List message posted by: Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg@nc.rr.com> > > Hello. > > Maybe I should formally introduce myself so I won't receive the rath > from above. > I purchased the 500 Commander from Rob and Steve some months ago. > This is my first Commander and I have always wanted one. > ,However I have several other planes and like all of them. Not everyone > can afford or wants an airplane, but from my point of view the forum is > for anyone that is interested in the Aero Commander. I frequent the > other site, and see some of the names of you guys on there also. I > personally do not think that Skyhawk had any motive other than trying > to be friendly in what he posted on this forum. One thing I do like > about the other site is a map showing where everyone is located. > My name is Roland Gilliam from Carthage N.C, > . My airport is Gilliam- Mcconnell Airfield 5nc3 > I am not soliciting anything I just like flying (49 years worth) > another ancient aviator!! > > Sincerely > > Roland PS If my comments are not in order, I'm sure > someone will let me know. > > > css ni > co wrote: > > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> > > > >Folks, > >Let's not get off the deep end here. Anyone with a love for aviation and > >Commanders in particular would congregate, in a virtual sense, in aviation > >related websites. This site is particularly enjoyable mostly because of the > >love we share for this particular airplane and the valuable knowledge that > >its members share without regard of cost or effort. It's free and people can > >come and go as they please. The site was built on the shoulders of people > >who believed that it had a place in the market place of ideas and free > >speech, and its mere existence proves that they were right. > > > >Let's not ask people if they should be here or not; they will leave if what > >we do doesn't interest them any longer and those that want to be here will > >not leave unless we insult them. > > > >Chris has been a pillar of strength in this community and his efforts in > >starting the site and getting it off the ground has created momentum from > >which we all benefit. Skyhawk's insistence on getting people to join his > >site cuts the wrong way with most folks, and that's my (not always) humble > >opinion, because he doesn't propose to contribute anything to the site. He > >has a right to say what he wants - he might not have the privilege of > >acceptance from everybody. > > > >That's my 2c worth. > > > >Nico > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki@702com.net> > >To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:38 PM > >Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > > > > > > > > > >>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jody Pillatzki" > >> > >> > ><Jpillatzki@702com.net> > > > > > >>Actually, he does own a commander. He does love, and has had some other > >>experiences in them before buying his own. I guess I could ask for a bio > >>from everyone before I post or ask questions at this site as well, so that > >> > >> > >I > > > > > >>can profile them to see if they are worth communicating with. > >> > >>Jody > >>Pillatzki > >> > >>P.S. I own a commander as well, and I have a family, and am a Christian, I > >>hope I make to the cut!! > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > >>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow > >>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:47 PM > >>To: commander-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: RE: Commander-List: chicken or egg > >> > >>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> > >> > >>I think Chris S. " doesn't own, fly, or want a Commander" yet he is > >> > >> > >allowed > > > > > >>to participate.....???? > >> > >>bilbo > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > >>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > >>Vormbaum > >>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:33 PM > >>To: commander-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: Re: Commander-List: chicken or egg > >> > >>--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> > >> > >>Perhaps you're right, Chris. What I don't like is the fact that he > >>participates in NO Commander discussions, evidently doesn't own, fly, or > >>want a Commander, and the only indication of his presence is the frequent > >>"go here" emails. > >> > >>When I was first becoming interested in these airplanes, if I'd said, > >> > >> > >"golly > > > > > >>gosh, guys, how would you like an interactive bulletin-board style of > >> > >> > >forum, > > > > > >>and I'll manage it for you?" after properly introducing myself, I think I > >>would have gotten a much better reaction than Joe Skyhawk has. I think > >> > >> > >it's > > > > > >>his approach & attitude causing the problem. > >> > >>/J > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> > >>To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > >>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:14 AM > >>Subject: Commander-List: chicken or egg > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > >>> > >>> > ><cschuerm@cox.net> > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Take a hike, Joe. If we want a different forum, WE'LL solicit YOU. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>I've noticed the discussions regarding the person who's trying to put > >>>together some kind of web commander related web site lately. Havn't > >>>really paid any attention as I have little interest these days. Some of > >>>the more acidic comments did strike a bit of a chord however. IMO, > >>>there are some people who are looking at this from a rather strange > >>>perspective. If nobody ever takes the initiative to try to create new > >>>and better things, nothing ever progresses. I have no idea who the > >>>skyhawk guy is and agree that he might be going at whatever he's trying > >>>to accomplish in the wrong way, but more power to him for at least > >>>trying to do something....even if it isn't exactly in harmony with the > >>>status quo. A little competition can do a lot to improve the product. > >>>Other than Nico's document archive, there has no no innovation in > >>>Commander net-land in years. Maybe this will spur some effort towards > >>>improving that situation. > >>>When I first created aerocommander.com, there were pre-existing > >>>Commander related web sites. I found them to be lacking in value and > >>>decided to create my own - not to cause problems in the community, but > >>>to add value. Took a few shots from a few people early on, but more > >>>appreciated the effort than not. Could it be that this guy has simply > >>>found the existing efforts to be simply insufficient in his eyes and > >>>he's trying to do better? I say let him try....and fail or succeed... > >>>The "market" will decide. > >>> > >>>chris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:29:26 PM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: nothing to do with anything but spam
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Chris, That's reference #2 you've made today to HHG (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy for the rest of you, google "Douglas Adams"). Careful, or people will start to think you as nerdy as us silicon valley folk! Although I'm sure your poetry is far better than any Vogon's, I implore you not to demonstrate! /John PS: I hope you find your towel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Commander-List: nothing to do with anything but spam > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net> > > > N395V wrote: >> [Rolling Eyes] Chris, >> >> That is just "plane" weird. :) > > > Thank you. Since you enjoyed that so, I'll put my Vogon mask on and try > out some poetry. I promise this will be my only attempt at spam humour > and my last non-commander-related post. (unless Monty Python visits me > in my dreams tonight and inspires me further) > > Ode to SPAM(tm) > > Oh SPAM(tm)! Oh SPAM(tm)! Gourmet delight! > My food by day, my dreams by night. > To carve, to slice, to dice you up - > pureed in a blender and sipped from a cup. > > What shining deity from Olympus knelt > down to the earth and hog butt smelt? > Creating then man's eternal desire > for swine entrails congealed by fire. > > On some corporate farm, a pig has died. > Eyes, tongue, and snout end up inside > that cube of SPAM(tm) hidden in the can > I now hold in my trembling hand. > > More than mere food, SPAM(tm) is for me > a hedonistic expression of gluttonous glee. > Mottled with pork fat, the pink cube engrosses. > My mouth takes it in, my intestine disposes. > > Long have my arteries clogged to the sound > of sizzling SPAM(tm) when there's no one around - > furtively chewing or swallowing whole. > Triple bypass by forty, my medical goal. > > Other processed meat products I've tried or declined > Vienna Sausages, Treet, even pig's feet in brine. > Though each may be tasty in different ways, > none matches SPAM(tm) for gelatinous glaze. > > That glistening pinkness beckons me > > with gristle, fat, and BHT. > Oh SPAM(tm), my SPAM(tm) - the taste, the smell! > The sacred meat product, from Hormel. > > > do not archive > > >


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    Time: 09:24:46 PM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: Past Present Future
    --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 20-Jan-06 17:01:26 Pacific Standard Time, BertBerry1@aol.com writes: If this list was intended for JUST CURRENT Commander Owners, Drivers ...etc. then maybe someone should say it and get it over with. Bert, you and everyone esle is most welcome. We have past, present and future Commander owners and aficionados here: That's what makes this knowledge base so valuable to future and current operators. Those of us who have been here for years value that and are worried about this knowledge base getting diluted -- or polluted. I say let anyone who wants to build a better mousetrap, do so. The hard core information is right here (and on Nico's server) and I forecast this is where it will stay. Wing Commander Gordon (too sane to own an airplane, not sane enough to stop participating in the Commander world) Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.


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    Time: 09:53:30 PM PST US
    From: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Past Present Future
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net> Wing Commander; Your remarks about being too sane to own an airplane, reminds me of a coffee cup I own. Shows an old cowboy sitting at the bar saying, "Spent most of my money on women and beer, the rest I just wasted!" Not exactly sure where my 560E comes into play! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <CloudCraft@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: Commander-List: Past Present Future > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 20-Jan-06 17:01:26 Pacific Standard Time, > BertBerry1@aol.com writes: > If this list was intended for JUST CURRENT Commander Owners, Drivers > ...etc. > then maybe someone should say it and get it over with. > Bert, you and everyone esle is most welcome. We have past, present and > future Commander owners and aficionados here: That's what makes this > knowledge base > so valuable to future and current operators. > > Those of us who have been here for years value that and are worried about > this knowledge base getting diluted -- or polluted. > > I say let anyone who wants to build a better mousetrap, do so. The hard > core > information is right here (and on Nico's server) and I forecast this is > where > it will stay. > > Wing Commander Gordon > (too sane to own an airplane, not sane enough to stop participating in the > Commander world) > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > >


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    Time: 10:13:24 PM PST US
    From: CloudCraft@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Past Present Future
    --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com In a message dated 20-Jan-06 21:54:09 Pacific Standard Time, dongirod@bellsouth.net writes: "Spent most of my money on women and beer, the rest I just wasted!" Not exactly sure where my 560E comes into play! >>> >>> Your 560-E ought to be right between beer and women. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. do not archive


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    Time: 11:27:32 PM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: Past Present Future
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> Excellent, Wing Commander Gordon is in the house! Perhaps you can enlighten me: I seem to have developed a bad habit, or omitted something important. Since I've had my airplane painted, and had new cowl latches put on (tightening the cowlings up quite a bit), had new antennas (antennae?) installed, adjusted the gear doors, and a few other things, all of which have cleaned up the airframe nicely (to the tune of about 6kts in cruise), I've had difficulty on final. I can set the power, enter the pattern, get the gear down, add flaps in 2 stages, and end up configured correctly at 85 kias on final, then give the flaps the last 'notch' to "full flaps" on 1/2 mile final or so, when the landing is assured, and BAM, suddenly I'm at 100kias, trying to slow up before I get over the fence. It feels like simply an attitude issue, like suddenly there's a greater pitch-down tendency than there used to be when I go to full flaps. It didn't used to be this way. I used to be able to come in at ~80kias over the fence and make the first turnoff at 1000 feet...often having to *add* power to pull off the runway. I've now got ~600 hours in the airplane, so although I'm no pro, I'm not exactly new either. So my questions are: 1) Have I started doing something boneheaded? Am I omitting something that should be in my pre-landing checklist? 2) Is this a consequence of the cleaner airframe, and if so, how do I compensate? Fly even slower on downind & base? 3) Am I being too conservative with the flaps? Should I throw full flaps much earlier? Thanks as always, /John PS: PAO is fairly noise-sensitive so I generally have the props pulled pretty far back (2,100 - 2,200 rpm)....but I've flown every approach at home that way since I got the airplane so I can't blame it on not using the props as brakes. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CloudCraft@aol.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: Commander-List: Past Present Future > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > > In a message dated 20-Jan-06 17:01:26 Pacific Standard Time, > BertBerry1@aol.com writes: > If this list was intended for JUST CURRENT Commander Owners, Drivers > ...etc. > then maybe someone should say it and get it over with. > Bert, you and everyone esle is most welcome. We have past, present and > future Commander owners and aficionados here: That's what makes this > knowledge base > so valuable to future and current operators. > > Those of us who have been here for years value that and are worried about > this knowledge base getting diluted -- or polluted. > > I say let anyone who wants to build a better mousetrap, do so. The hard > core > information is right here (and on Nico's server) and I forecast this is > where > it will stay. > > Wing Commander Gordon > (too sane to own an airplane, not sane enough to stop participating in the > Commander world) > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > >




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