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1. 07:02 AM - Re: FW: Airframe life expectancy (W J R HAMILTON)
2. 07:55 AM - (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
3. 12:27 PM - AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY (BertBerry1@aol.com)
4. 12:43 PM - Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY (steve)
5. 12:47 PM - Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY (BertBerry1@aol.com)
6. 12:55 PM - Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY (Chris Schuermann)
7. 12:57 PM - Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY (steve)
8. 01:03 PM - Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY (BertBerry1@aol.com)
9. 01:13 PM - Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY (steve)
10. 01:46 PM - Commanders on Display (Dave)
11. 05:52 PM - Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY (AEROCOMAND@aol.com)
12. 05:54 PM - Russian Airshow (Don Girod)
13. 06:00 PM - Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY (Don Girod)
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| Subject: | FW: Airframe life expectancy |
--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Deneal,
Given some of the more endearing characteristics of the Nomad ( not
to be confused with the North American NA-260 Nomad, the civil
certified T-28, one R. Hoover, Esq, not entirely unknown to Aero
Commander or P-51 aficionados, project test pilot) perhaps a better
question is "Why was the Nomad certified at all". One characteristic
it shared with its North American namesake was all the performance of
a polished crowbar when it all went quiet.
You probably visited the Government Aircraft Factory at Avalon,
Victoria, the way that place worked, it was quite amazing that the
aeroplane ever got out the factory door.
Bear in mind that many of the staff , particularly design staff, at
the GAF, were refugees from the collapse of the British aircraft
industry, to say the least there was a certain prejudice against
anything from US, many of the professional engineers in (those days)
the Department of Civil Aviation were also from the same bulk store.
The fact that "a good solid aeroplane" like the DH Chipmunk has
severe aircraft life limits, (starting at 5500 hours) and for good
reasons, never dented the prejudice against spam cans , anything made
by Piper, Beech or Cessna, despite some C-172 racking up 20,000 plus
on the original structure. Note, spam here is not what you get every
time you download your email, but a particularly nasty tinned "meat"
more properly called Imperial Camp Pie, if my memory serves me
correctly. My recollection of the 'orrible stuff is very clear, even
if the name isn't.
The same prejudice was and is displayed against airline aircraft,
despite the fact that we lost a number of Vickers Viscounts from
in-flight breakups for various reasons, DH 104 Dove's didn't like
Australian air at all, all the later Tridents were withdrawn from
service due fatigue problems,and the story goes on --- but there has
been no such parallel with DC-3/4/6,
L-049/749/1049/1049G/L-177/DC-9/B707-138/338/B-747-238/338/438/SP/B-767-238/338
--- get the drift.
I worked for Qantas for many years, Qantas started international
services with a dreadful four engine bi-plane, the DH-86A. There are
none in museums, every single one crashed. The very first Qantas
aircraft was nearly lost near Cairo on the delivery, flown by a
Qantas crew. The second delivery, flown by an Imperial Airways crew,
was lost with all aboard, at Longreach, Queensland. Our major
competition, KLM, was flying Lockheed14 , DC-2 and DC-3, but the
operation of US aircraft over "Imperial Routes was banned. This did
not change until after WW11.
Folks, I hope you are not bored with all this, its not much to do
with Commanders, but you see what happens when somebody gets me
started, but at least Bob Hoover rated a mention.'
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 02:03 22/01/2006, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister
>(Portege)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
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>Thanks, Bill.
>As former Chief Pilot for Nomad Distributors in the US, reading your post
>about aircraft certifications in Australia makes me wonder....
>How the heck did the NOMADS ever get certification!!??
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>___________________________
>Deneal Schilmeister
>St. Louis - Cincinnati
>1997 SL500
>http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
>http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/Sites/My_Commanders.htm
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala@msn.com>
HELP! DOES ANYONE HAVE LYC PART NUMBER LW-11147+ BRACKET, ALTERNATOR BELT ADJUSTING
78639 PULLEY AND SHAFT ASSY 78614 PULLEY ETC. THE PRESTOLITE
ALTERNATOR ALV6403LS BROKE AND TOOK OUT THE IDLER ARM AND THE TENSIONER.
ANY IDEAS EXCEPT LYCOMING WOULD BE APPRECIATED. MASON
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| Subject: | AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
Does anyone know of any Aero Commanders on display besides the ones located
at Military Museums?
Thanks,
Bert
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| Subject: | AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
Yep, a couple sitting in the grass at Herrera airport Santo Domingo
Dominican Republic. <BG)
Couldn't help it.
Steve G.
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Subject: Commander-List: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
Does anyone know of any Aero Commanders on display besides the ones located
at Military Museums?
Thanks,
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
Thanks Steve,
I don't get by there too often. Don't you have some photos of those?
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
BertBerry1@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone know of any Aero Commanders on display
Liberal, KS air museum
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| Subject: | AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
Yep, in for development. Should be able to pick them up tomorrow. Will
post to Nico than.
Steve G.
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BertBerry1@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
Thanks Steve,
I don't get by there too often. Don't you have some photos of those?
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
which two where they steve?
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| Subject: | AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
Bert,
I took the pictures a month or so ago and don't remember the N numbers. But
I did make sure to get that in each pic. It will be a surprise for us all.
Steve G.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
which two where they steve?
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| Subject: | Commanders on Display |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Dave <vinophile@yahoo.com>
March AFB has a 520, S/N 52-6218 on display.
David Mulligan
Park City, UT
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| Subject: | Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY |
--> Commander-List message posted by: AEROCOMAND@aol.com
Bob Hoover's is under and SST at the Smithonian...
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
Thought some of you might enjoy these photos.
Don
The Russian's field some very beautiful aircraft!! Check the link below.
Subject: Russian Airshow photos
Vatch owt 4 da Russkies.....
In the following link are some superb photos of an a Russian airshow that
is rivaling Farnborough and Paris:
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Maks2005/Highlights/
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| Subject: | Re: AERO COMMANDERS ON DISPLAY |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Don Girod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
There is one at the Warner Robin Air Musuem,
Don
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