Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:55 AM - Thanks Capt JB!! (Russell Legg)
2. 03:28 AM - Oz Commanders (Russell Legg)
3. 05:23 AM - Re: Oz Commanders (steve)
4. 06:09 AM - Re: flaps and flexibility (W J R HAMILTON)
5. 06:18 AM - Tired Aero Commanders (Tylor Hall)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: Thanks Capt JB!! (Robert Steele)
7. 06:34 AM - Re: Tired Aero Commanders (steve)
8. 07:29 AM - Re: Oz Commanders (BertBerry1@AOL.COM)
9. 08:04 AM - Re: Thanks Capt JB!! (Bert Berry)
10. 09:10 AM - Re: Thanks Capt JB!! (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
11. 10:38 AM - Re: Thanks Capt JB!! (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
12. 07:30 PM - Flap Settings explored (John Vormbaum)
13. 08:43 PM - Re: Flap Settings explored (CloudCraft@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Thanks Capt JB!! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
G'day Folks,
The latest FGN arrived in my ("snail") mail box today in the remote Topend
of Oz.
I want to congratulate Jim on another great issue and my thanks to him for
his ongoing efforts with the newsletter.
Fantastic Jim...please keep them coming!! (Thanks to Sue as well)
Cheers
Russell
(still looking for a nice mid-life Straight 500 or 560E...even a 680E, but
no projects!)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
G'day Folks,
Just returned from travelling in remote Indonesia (no Commanders here!).
Nice to read that Captain Milt is back on the list...great to see you old
mate!
I am amused to note recent interest in Oz Commanders, particularly Bathtub
models.
No Bathtubs have flown in Australia for at least 12 months and only two
ferry flights have occurred in the past nearly 3 years.
I can add the following:
1. The Oz Bathtub seen is a sad story...only 6 airframes remain; (three in
technical or museum facilities...all having been re-assembled following
major surgical dismantling for road transport), one 680E in final
restoration phase by TCFG member & 2 x 560E airframes (both very tired and
one with significant corrosion). It is possible that some parts from a
seventh (680E) airframe are located in Western Australia.
2. To Steve...take care with your surveillance of the Sydney 560E; this is a
tired airframe (some corrosion and at least one earlier AD not complied
with), both engines are "on condition". This was the last to fly in Oz and
only a handful of brief ferry flights in last three years. (Steve...happy to
be more detailed off-list). This is definitely a project piece...don't be
fooled.
A similar airframe exists elsewhere but has significant corrosion, hasn't
flown since early 2002 (two ferry flights) and not regularly since 1999.
3. To Bert...the Straight 680 located in the South Australian museum is
VH-PSG as Sir Barry reported. This aircraft has a complete airframe but had
the tail section through the battery compartment completely surgically
removed to allow transport by road from airport to museum. The aircraft has
been dismantled twice more since the early '90s; most recently late last
year when the entire museum collection was moved to a new site. The aircraft
was displayed with fake engines and props and with the tail/rear fuselage
bolted back on.
Unfortunately its log books were separated from the aircraft when it was
purchased by the museum at a liquidation auction in the early '90s. My
exhaustive attempts to locate these logbooks have been unsuccessful.
4. Wingtips on Oz Commanders...not sure where this issue came from.
In excess of 30 500S/U/B, 680FL, 690A, 690B and one Renaissance fly fully
legally in Oz with wingtips. All these aircraft are maintained or have their
maintenance schedule set by a single FBO in Victoria; in accordance with the
rigidly conservative and sometimes intimidatory industry regulator. My
understanding is that this brand of wingtip is fitted and operated by legal
STC for Oz airspace.
5. One Bathtub airframe (no engines and many missing parts), a Straight 500
is located in Auckland in New Zealand...no bathtubs flown there for at least
8 years.
Cheers
Russell
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
Russel,
Very interesting information. I have forwarded it to my friend and
associate in Sydney.
Steve G.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Legg
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:26 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Oz Commanders
--> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
G'day Folks,
Just returned from travelling in remote Indonesia (no Commanders here!).
Nice to read that Captain Milt is back on the list...great to see you old
mate!
I am amused to note recent interest in Oz Commanders, particularly Bathtub
models.
No Bathtubs have flown in Australia for at least 12 months and only two
ferry flights have occurred in the past nearly 3 years.
I can add the following:
1. The Oz Bathtub seen is a sad story...only 6 airframes remain; (three in
technical or museum facilities...all having been re-assembled following
major surgical dismantling for road transport), one 680E in final
restoration phase by TCFG member & 2 x 560E airframes (both very tired and
one with significant corrosion). It is possible that some parts from a
seventh (680E) airframe are located in Western Australia.
2. To Steve...take care with your surveillance of the Sydney 560E; this is a
tired airframe (some corrosion and at least one earlier AD not complied
with), both engines are "on condition". This was the last to fly in Oz and
only a handful of brief ferry flights in last three years. (Steve...happy to
be more detailed off-list). This is definitely a project piece...don't be
fooled.
A similar airframe exists elsewhere but has significant corrosion, hasn't
flown since early 2002 (two ferry flights) and not regularly since 1999.
3. To Bert...the Straight 680 located in the South Australian museum is
VH-PSG as Sir Barry reported. This aircraft has a complete airframe but had
the tail section through the battery compartment completely surgically
removed to allow transport by road from airport to museum. The aircraft has
been dismantled twice more since the early '90s; most recently late last
year when the entire museum collection was moved to a new site. The aircraft
was displayed with fake engines and props and with the tail/rear fuselage
bolted back on.
Unfortunately its log books were separated from the aircraft when it was
purchased by the museum at a liquidation auction in the early '90s. My
exhaustive attempts to locate these logbooks have been unsuccessful.
4. Wingtips on Oz Commanders...not sure where this issue came from.
In excess of 30 500S/U/B, 680FL, 690A, 690B and one Renaissance fly fully
legally in Oz with wingtips. All these aircraft are maintained or have their
maintenance schedule set by a single FBO in Victoria; in accordance with the
rigidly conservative and sometimes intimidatory industry regulator. My
understanding is that this brand of wingtip is fitted and operated by legal
STC for Oz airspace.
5. One Bathtub airframe (no engines and many missing parts), a Straight 500
is located in Auckland in New Zealand...no bathtubs flown there for at least
8 years.
Cheers
Russell
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| Subject: | Re: flaps and flexibility |
--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Folks,
Please feel free to reprint any of my ramblings.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 01:33 26/01/2006, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: cloudcraft@aol.com
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>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Imperial Meat Pie? Bill Hamilton, I may print and frame your Oz
>Aviation History post!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:12:09 EST
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility
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| Subject: | Tired Aero Commanders |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
I am reading WEB Griffin's new book, The Hostage.
On page 398, he has his hero arriving in a Lear 45 arriving at Jorge
Newbery Airport in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
and they taxi by a tired Aero Commander, "Old, Battered, and worn
out". and they park next to the Aero Commander.
IT appears that they are in OZ and many other places.
Tylor Hall
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| Subject: | Thanks Capt JB!! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Steele" <bob.steele@kzf.com>
And Sue too!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russell
Legg
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Thanks Capt JB!!
--> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
G'day Folks,
The latest FGN arrived in my ("snail") mail box today in the remote Topend
of Oz.
I want to congratulate Jim on another great issue and my thanks to him for
his ongoing efforts with the newsletter.
Fantastic Jim...please keep them coming!! (Thanks to Sue as well)
Cheers
Russell
(still looking for a nice mid-life Straight 500 or 560E...even a 680E, but
no projects!)
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| Subject: | Tired Aero Commanders |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
If you read Griffins earlier books, Lieutenants, etc. series you will see
that the main character Lowell (rich boy who fell in love being a military
warrior) flew his personal Aero Commander on both personal and military
missions to the chagrin of many of his commanding officers. I was reading
WEB when he first published and that was when I fell in love with the most
beautiful twin in the world. I have since been lucky to have been part
owner in a AC500 for a while.
Who said Dreams don't come true? WRONG!!
Steve G.
Now Bonanza driver.
E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:17 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Tired Aero Commanders
--> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
I am reading WEB Griffin's new book, The Hostage.
On page 398, he has his hero arriving in a Lear 45 arriving at Jorge
Newbery Airport in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
and they taxi by a tired Aero Commander, "Old, Battered, and worn
out". and they park next to the Aero Commander.
IT appears that they are in OZ and many other places.
Tylor Hall
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| Subject: | Re: Oz Commanders |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
Thanks for the info Russel.
Bert
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks Capt JB!! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1@aol.com>
Jim,
How do I get on your mailing list?
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
To:<commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Thanks Capt JB!!
--> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg <rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
G'day Folks,
The latest FGN arrived in my ("snail") mail box today in the remote Topend
of Oz.
I want to congratulate Jim on another great issue and my thanks to him for
his ongoing efforts with the newsletter.
Fantastic Jim...please keep them coming!! (Thanks to Sue as well)
Cheers
Russell
(still looking for a nice mid-life Straight 500 or 560E...even a 680E, but
no projects!)
bertberry1@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks Capt JB!! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
I have a 680 with an up grade with 680-E engines in excelent condition that
i might sell. I have an Aztec and really don~t need two airplanes. 320 Hours
on the engines and o time on props with the Jim Metzer STC on the props. Good
Avionics fresh annual in Oct. 05. Wingflyer1@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks Capt JB!! |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 1/27/2006 2:56:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rlegg@austarnet.com.au writes:
Russell
Thanks Russell. jb
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| Subject: | Flap Settings explored |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Hello Commanderers,
Just thought I'd throw a big "thanks" out to all who responded to my final approach
issues & flap settings email. I flew for a bit today and did a few landings.
I was able to end up far more stabilized on approach, and hit my target airspeed
much easier, by using more flaps earlier. There appeared to be no penalty
for going full flaps immediately upon turning final. Also, for kicks, I pushed
up the throttles with the flaps all the way out, and the airplane actually
started to climb (sort of a flat attitude, it probably wasn't pretty).
Cheers,
/John
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Settings explored |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 27-Jan-06 19:33:38 Pacific Standard Time,
john@vormbaum.com writes:
the airplane actually started to climb (sort of a flat attitude, it probably
wasn't pretty).
<><><><><><>
John,
How could it not be pretty?
I'm glad you had a good time -- and it's especially nice to know that some of
the advice on this forum gets used and to get the feed back on whether it
worked or was totally useless.
But then again, as I've been taught, "Useless advice is the essence of
friendship."
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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