---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/07/06: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:26 AM - W32.Blackmal.E (Kama Sutra) virus alert (css nico) 2. 12:07 PM - Re: flaps and flexibility (Robert Steele) 3. 12:10 PM - Re: flaps and flexibility (Robert Steele) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:23 AM PST US From: "css nico" Subject: Commander-List: W32.Blackmal.E (Kama Sutra) virus alert --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" Folks, Our servers were hit with a number of email messages this morning containing the Kama Sutra virus. If you see any of the following characteristics in your email messages, please take special care to delete them without trying to open the attachments. Although there are many variations of this virus, those that we received this morning had the following subject lines: Pictures Fw Pictures MBA and ERP career Re Price The sender is indicated as "prasad_j_2000". The Kama Sutra virus will infect your computer when you attempt to open the attachment and lie dormant in your computer until the 3rd of every month when it will wreak havoc, just to go to sleep again until the following month. Read more about it on Norton's site: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal.e@mm.html If you believe you have been infected, the removal tool can be found here: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal@mm.removal.tool.html Thanks Nico ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:07 PM PST US From: "Robert Steele" Subject: RE: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Steele" Nico, I just saw this e-mail, sorry for the slow response. At the annual Fly-Ins the guys/gals who get there early - mainly Captain Jim Bob and basically everyone else who is there before you arrive - judge your taxing. Whoever does the ugliest job of it, which apparently I did in 2005 at Marina, CA, wins the dang thing. >From what I can tell - it's all political, there is nepotism involved, price-fixing, bribery, and all other kinds of orneriness. The only good thing for 2006 - my hanger is next to Commander-Aero and the only way I can win it back to back is if they include "planes being parked by a tug!" Just to be safe, I think I'll just have it parked outside Commaner Aeros's hanger the day before JB gets there. Bob Steele -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of css nico Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" Great history, Bob. What's the golden rudder award, Bob? Pardon my ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Steele" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Steele" > > I will second WCG's suggestion on Bill. And I speak from experience. > > I bought my Commander without having my ME rating. Dick Wartinger did the > pre-buy for me and then hooked me up with Bill. At the time Bill was an > MD-80 instructor at TWA (now American). Due to insurance requirements I had > to spend 25 hours with him and I can tell you he did everything in the world > to me - including pulling engines on take off roll - before and just after > take off (and on hot days). Bill is definitely old school as well as new > school. I think I was his first piston student in 20 years - so he insisted > on the best of the good-old-days as well as the new stuff of today. > > One of the best things he had me do was may make an actual single engine > landing - not simulated - but feathered left engine out - and because of his > training it was a snap - and it was as if he had ESP. To make a long story > short - on my ME check ride (with a for-real FAA employee as the examiner) I > actually had to make a single engine landing. It was a very hot summer day > in August and we were 10 miles from the airport with the right engine out > (long story there). Due to Bill's training I was not a bit nervous and the > landing at Lunken was a breeze - even taxied all the way back to the FBO and > parked her in an out of the way spot! (I got a discontinuance because the > FAA man wanted two to see two more take offs and landings - which he got out > of me two weeks later.) > > Thanks to Dick Wartinger I now a have a great instructor and a friend. > > Bob Steele > Prestigious Holder of the 2005 Golden Rudder Award > Can't wait to give it to someone else in Dayton this summer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > cloudcraft@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:33 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: cloudcraft@aol.com > > Outstanding advice from Bill Leff. > > Since Mr. Leff brought up the icy runway idea ... the ONLY time I'd > use less than full flaps when landing a Twin Commander was if I was > carrying airframe ice on the approach. Full flaps could aggravate a > tail plane stall. > > I wonder if anyone else caught the very sublte but very important > hint: Bill Leff is offering Commander Training. If I was looking for > Commander training, I'd go to him (and I used to make my living doing > Commander training!). > > I've landed in snarling, ripping, Santa Anas tumbleweed blowing, > sand-blasting, 90 degree cross winds in a Commander. Full flaps. > Differential power does the trick, coupled with that nice high wing > that allows all the side slip bank angle you could ever want. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Imperial Meat Pie? Bill Hamilton, I may print and frame your Oz > Aviation History post! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BillLeff1@aol.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:12:09 EST > Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility > > --> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com > > I recommend full flaps on all landings except maybe very icy runways. > Use > differential power when exceeding more than 1/2 rudder travel. When on > the > ground the aircraft has a negative angle of attack and sticks quite > well. > Raising the flaps after touchdown helps some but they retract so slow > you will > be > stopped before they are completely up. > > Bill Leff > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:30 PM PST US From: "Robert Steele" Subject: RE: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Steele" Nico, I just saw this e-mail, sorry for the slow response. At the annual Fly-Ins the guys/gals who get there early - mainly Captain Jim Bob and basically everyone else who is there before you arrive - judge your taxing. Whoever does the ugliest job of it, which apparently I did in 2005 at Marina, CA, wins the dang thing. >From what I can tell - it's all political, there is nepotism involved, price-fixing, bribery, and all other kinds of orneriness. The only good thing for 2006 - my hanger is next to Commander-Aero and the only way I can win it back to back is if they include "planes being parked by a tug!" Just to be safe, I think I'll just have it parked outside Commaner Aeros's hanger the day before JB gets there. Bob Steele -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of css nico Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" Great history, Bob. What's the golden rudder award, Bob? Pardon my ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Steele" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert Steele" > > I will second WCG's suggestion on Bill. And I speak from experience. > > I bought my Commander without having my ME rating. Dick Wartinger did the > pre-buy for me and then hooked me up with Bill. At the time Bill was an > MD-80 instructor at TWA (now American). Due to insurance requirements I had > to spend 25 hours with him and I can tell you he did everything in the world > to me - including pulling engines on take off roll - before and just after > take off (and on hot days). Bill is definitely old school as well as new > school. I think I was his first piston student in 20 years - so he insisted > on the best of the good-old-days as well as the new stuff of today. > > One of the best things he had me do was may make an actual single engine > landing - not simulated - but feathered left engine out - and because of his > training it was a snap - and it was as if he had ESP. To make a long story > short - on my ME check ride (with a for-real FAA employee as the examiner) I > actually had to make a single engine landing. It was a very hot summer day > in August and we were 10 miles from the airport with the right engine out > (long story there). Due to Bill's training I was not a bit nervous and the > landing at Lunken was a breeze - even taxied all the way back to the FBO and > parked her in an out of the way spot! (I got a discontinuance because the > FAA man wanted two to see two more take offs and landings - which he got out > of me two weeks later.) > > Thanks to Dick Wartinger I now a have a great instructor and a friend. > > Bob Steele > Prestigious Holder of the 2005 Golden Rudder Award > Can't wait to give it to someone else in Dayton this summer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > cloudcraft@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:33 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: cloudcraft@aol.com > > Outstanding advice from Bill Leff. > > Since Mr. Leff brought up the icy runway idea ... the ONLY time I'd > use less than full flaps when landing a Twin Commander was if I was > carrying airframe ice on the approach. Full flaps could aggravate a > tail plane stall. > > I wonder if anyone else caught the very sublte but very important > hint: Bill Leff is offering Commander Training. If I was looking for > Commander training, I'd go to him (and I used to make my living doing > Commander training!). > > I've landed in snarling, ripping, Santa Anas tumbleweed blowing, > sand-blasting, 90 degree cross winds in a Commander. Full flaps. > Differential power does the trick, coupled with that nice high wing > that allows all the side slip bank angle you could ever want. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Imperial Meat Pie? Bill Hamilton, I may print and frame your Oz > Aviation History post! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BillLeff1@aol.com > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:12:09 EST > Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility > > --> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com > > I recommend full flaps on all landings except maybe very icy runways. > Use > differential power when exceeding more than 1/2 rudder travel. When on > the > ground the aircraft has a negative angle of attack and sticks quite > well. > Raising the flaps after touchdown helps some but they retract so slow > you will > be > stopped before they are completely up. > > Bill Leff > >