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1. 04:07 AM - Re: free Commander stuff (N395V)
2. 05:26 AM - Re: Re: free Commander stuff (crunk12)
3. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: free Commander stuff (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: tires (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: free Commander stuff (N395V)
6. 08:30 AM - Desperate For Parts (David Owens)
7. 08:59 AM - Re: Desperate For Parts (steve)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: Desperate For Parts (Jim Addington)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: Desperate For Parts (Nancy & Roland Gilliam)
10. 03:05 PM - Commander inventory has been taken (Chris Schuermann)
11. 05:05 PM - Re: Commander inventory has been taken (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
12. 05:29 PM - Re: Commander inventory has been taken (Chris Schuermann)
13. 06:04 PM - Re: Commander inventory has been taken (Bill Bow)
14. 07:15 PM - Re: Commander inventory has been taken (Allen Reed)
15. 07:24 PM - Re: Commander inventory has been taken (John Vormbaum)
16. 08:32 PM - Re: Commander inventory has been taken (css nico)
17. 10:39 PM - Re: Desperate For Parts (Dennis)
18. 11:31 PM - Official Commander-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:31 PM - Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
> a 30yr old bottle of
> "BLANTONS" for the next meetin..Ya'll come on up,,or over,,or
> down,,whichever,just come on,,BIG
>
Is that the same bottle we left in Florida a gazillion years ago?
I gotta get ahold of Crunk and Bow that stuff needs drinkin. In fact Chris needs
to help we even have hin swilling Bourbon now.
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "crunk12" <crunk12@bellsouth.net>
What in the hell are you doing up at 7:08 in the morning?
I only thought weirdos like me got up that early!!! :-)
Crunk
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Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA@msn.com>
why do you sleep in so late? mason
----- Original Message -----
From: crunk12<mailto:crunk12@bellsouth.net>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: free Commander stuff
--> Commander-List message posted by: "crunk12" <crunk12@bellsouth.net<mailto:crunk12@bellsouth.net>>
What in the hell are you doing up at 7:08 in the morning?
I only thought weirdos like me got up that early!!! :-)
Crunk
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA@msn.com>
please see aviation consumer for their tire test and ratings. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Brady<mailto:westwind@hdiss.net>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: tires
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dan Brady" <westwind@hdiss.net<mailto:westwind@hdiss.net>>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg@nc.rr.com<mailto:amg@nc.rr.com>>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Nancy & Roland Gilliam
> <amg@nc.rr.com<mailto:amg@nc.rr.com>>
>
> OK guys,
>
> Forget the price, in your opnions what is the most safe tire to put on a
> straight 500,home based on pavement, in mid North Carolina. Also
> comments on tube or tubeless would be welcome. I will use at least 8 ply.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland
> I've used Goodyear 8ply on my straight 500 with good results. The aircraft
> has been operated mostly in high & low desert strips both paved & unpaved.
> At the time of purchase they happened to be the best buy I could find for
> premium 8 ply. Always check with Yoda for the current poop. Dan 77B
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Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
crunk12(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> What in the hell are you doing up at 7:08 in the morning?
> I only thought weirdos like me got up that early!!! :-)
> Crunk
Actually because of the Time difference it was 06:08. All the Cardiologists
have been misbehaving and I had to take them to the woodshed this morning before
the start of surgical cases.
One of them did not heed my "advice" so I had to fire him. Will still be there
Friday/Sat but unless I can re arrange the call schedule I have to be back here
Monday and Tuesday the following week.
Do not Archive
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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Subject: | Desperate For Parts |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up after the
hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the overhaul shop.
To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree elbow aluminum cast intake
connecting to the fuel controller on the right engine. This part has a large
accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the air filter box attached to
the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A Commander, and it IS an airframe
part. The part number in question is 3610274-502. Specific to a Continental
470 or 520 engine. Other parts that are missing are the entire baffle assy
Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4, 3&5, and 4&6, as well as the supports for the
fuel injection lines that connect to these baffle assy's on top of the engine.
These parts (baffles) are not specific to the right engine only, as they are
the same part no's for both sides. The other items are the two control rods (mixture
& throttle) connecting to the fuel controller from the belcranks. The
description in the parts book are "Rod & End Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579
and 529 respectively. If ANYONE out there that knows of a 500A fresh
to be parted out that we might contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If
anyone interested in seeing pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison,
I will send them e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking
for these parts for weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new"
engine on these parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these parts
or part for us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
DW Hooks Airport
Spring, Texas
dowens@aerialviewpoint.com
500-A Aero Commander
14-AV
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Subject: | Desperate For Parts |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
David,
Have you tried Jack Chapelle in California? Lots of ACommander goodies at
951-371-7513.
Steve G.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens"
<dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up
after the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the
overhaul shop. To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree elbow
aluminum cast intake connecting to the fuel controller on the right engine.
This part has a large accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the air
filter box attached to the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A
Commander, and it IS an airframe part. The part number in question is
3610274-502. Specific to a Continental 470 or 520 engine. Other parts that
are missing are the entire baffle assy Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4, 3&5,
and 4&6, as well as the supports for the fuel injection lines that connect
to these baffle assy's on top of the engine. These parts (baffles) are not
specific to the right engine only, as they are the same part no's for both
sides. The other items are the two control rods (mixture & throttle)
connecting to the fuel controlle!
r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End
Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If ANYONE
out there that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we might
contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in seeing
pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison, I will send them
e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking for these parts for
weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new" engine on these
parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these parts or part for
us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
DW Hooks Airport
Spring, Texas
dowens@aerialviewpoint.com
500-A Aero Commander
14-AV
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Subject: | Desperate For Parts |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Try White Industries if they are still in business. They had a 500A at one
time, now that I think about it that was over 15 years ago, but you never
know.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
David,
Have you tried Jack Chapelle in California? Lots of ACommander goodies at
951-371-7513.
Steve G.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens"
<dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up
after the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the
overhaul shop. To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree elbow
aluminum cast intake connecting to the fuel controller on the right engine.
This part has a large accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the air
filter box attached to the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A
Commander, and it IS an airframe part. The part number in question is
3610274-502. Specific to a Continental 470 or 520 engine. Other parts that
are missing are the entire baffle assy Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4, 3&5,
and 4&6, as well as the supports for the fuel injection lines that connect
to these baffle assy's on top of the engine. These parts (baffles) are not
specific to the right engine only, as they are the same part no's for both
sides. The other items are the two control rods (mixture & throttle)
connecting to the fuel controlle!
r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End
Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If ANYONE
out there that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we might
contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in seeing
pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison, I will send them
e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking for these parts for
weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new" engine on these
parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these parts or part for
us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
DW Hooks Airport
Spring, Texas
dowens@aerialviewpoint.com
500-A Aero Commander
14-AV
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Subject: | Re: Desperate For Parts |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg@nc.rr.com>
Try copters8@cs.com. They have two commanders that they cut the wings
off and sent from the islands to Tenn. I tried to get some control
yokes from them, but thiers were worse than mine. I don't know what
model AC they are.They were pretty much corroded so they did'nt try to
save the wings.
What does everyone do for new control yokes??
Roland
David Owens wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
>
>We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up after
the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the overhaul shop.
To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree elbow aluminum cast intake
connecting to the fuel controller on the right engine. This part has a large
accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the air filter box attached
to the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A Commander, and it IS an airframe
part. The part number in question is 3610274-502. Specific to a Continental
470 or 520 engine. Other parts that are missing are the entire baffle assy
Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4, 3&5, and 4&6, as well as the supports for the
fuel injection lines that connect to these baffle assy's on top of the engine.
These parts (baffles) are not specific to the right engine only, as they are
the same part no's for both sides. The other items are the two control rods
(mixture & throttle) connecting to the fuel controlle!
> r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End Assy".
Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If ANYONE out there
that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we might contact, it would
be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in seeing pics of the parts from
the other engine for comparison, I will send them e-mail in short order. We have
been calling and looking for these parts for weeks going on a month now. Waiting
to fire up the "new" engine on these parts... A O G... I will post
if anyone finds these parts or part for us.
>
>David Owens
>Aerial Viewpoint
>DW Hooks Airport
>Spring, Texas
>dowens@aerialviewpoint.com
>500-A Aero Commander
>14-AV
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Subject: | Commander inventory has been taken |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
All the Commander parts are gone.
I'd forgotten just how much stuff we had until we got it gathered up. A
half a dozen spare brake assys, wheels, hydraulic accumulator systems
and bottles, complete nose and main landing gears, valves, actuators,
engine mount trusses, selsyns, flare launch panels, etc, etc, etc.
Anyway, the new owner has everything now. It'll be up to him to
keep/dispose/sell/donate as he sees fit.
cheers,
Chris
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Subject: | Re: Commander inventory has been taken |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 3/1/2006 4:08:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm@cox.net writes:
Anyway, the new owner has everything now. It'll be up to him to
keep/dispose/sell/donate as he sees fit.
Thanks Chris, you did a good thing!! jb
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Subject: | Re: Commander inventory has been taken |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks Chris, you did a good thing!!
"Treat others as you would like to be treated" has served me well in life.
Guess this makes it pretty official that I'm out of the Commander world...
thanks,
Chris
do not archive
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Subject: | Commander inventory has been taken |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
No your not.
bb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander inventory has been taken
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks Chris, you did a good thing!!
"Treat others as you would like to be treated" has served me well in life.
Guess this makes it pretty official that I'm out of the Commander world...
thanks,
Chris
do not archive
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Subject: | Commander inventory has been taken |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Allen Reed" <allen_reed2@hotmail.com>
aint no way you be out Bubba!! Big Al
>From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander inventory has been taken
>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:03:26 -0500
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
>No your not.
>
>bb
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
>Schuermann
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:36 PM
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander inventory has been taken
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
>YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
> > Thanks Chris, you did a good thing!!
>
>"Treat others as you would like to be treated" has served me well in life.
>
>Guess this makes it pretty official that I'm out of the Commander world...
>
>
>thanks,
>Chris
>
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>do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Commander inventory has been taken |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Yeah, Chris, YOU had a lot to do with getting me INTO this Commander mess,
no way we're gonna let you bail out!!!
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Reed" <allen_reed2@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander inventory has been taken
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Allen Reed"
> <allen_reed2@hotmail.com>
>
> aint no way you be out Bubba!! Big Al
>
>
>>From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander inventory has been taken
>>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:03:26 -0500
>>
>>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>>
>>No your not.
>>
>>bb
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
>>Schuermann
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:36 PM
>>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander inventory has been taken
>>
>>--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
>> > Thanks Chris, you did a good thing!!
>>
>>"Treat others as you would like to be treated" has served me well in life.
>>
>>Guess this makes it pretty official that I'm out of the Commander world...
>>
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>>thanks,
>>Chris
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Subject: | Re: Commander inventory has been taken |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
You may be out of Commanders, but you will never get the Commander out of
you.
:-)
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander inventory has been taken
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
>
> No your not.
>
> bb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Schuermann
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:36 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander inventory has been taken
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
>
>
> YOURTCFG@aol.com wrote:
> > Thanks Chris, you did a good thing!!
>
> "Treat others as you would like to be treated" has served me well in life.
>
> Guess this makes it pretty official that I'm out of the Commander world...
>
>
> thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Desperate For Parts |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dennis" <28bravo@comcast.net>
Roland:
What style control yokes are you looking for? I have a pair here, they came
off of a 500B.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Nancy & Roland Gilliam
> <amg@nc.rr.com>
>
> Try copters8@cs.com. They have two commanders that they cut the wings
> off and sent from the islands to Tenn. I tried to get some control
> yokes from them, but thiers were worse than mine. I don't know what
> model AC they are.They were pretty much corroded so they did'nt try to
> save the wings.
>
> What does everyone do for new control yokes??
>
>
> Roland
>
>
> David Owens wrote:
>
>>--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens"
>><dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
>>
>>We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up
>>after the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the
>>overhaul shop. To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree
>>elbow aluminum cast intake connecting to the fuel controller on the right
>>engine. This part has a large accordian shaped rubber hose that connects
>>to the air filter box attached to the other end. This part only applies to
>>a 500-A Commander, and it IS an airframe part. The part number in question
>>is 3610274-502. Specific to a Continental 470 or 520 engine. Other parts
>>that are missing are the entire baffle assy Intercylinder between 1&3,
>>2&4, 3&5, and 4&6, as well as the supports for the fuel injection lines
>>that connect to these baffle assy's on top of the engine. These parts
>>(baffles) are not specific to the right engine only, as they are the same
>>part no's for both sides. The other items are the two control rods
>>(mixture & throttle) connecting to the fuel controll!
> e!
>> r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End
>> Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If
>> ANYONE out there that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we
>> might contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in
>> seeing pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison, I will
>> send them e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking for
>> these parts for weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new"
>> engine on these parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these
>> parts or part for us.
>>
>>David Owens
>>Aerial Viewpoint
>>DW Hooks Airport
>>Spring, Texas
>>dowens@aerialviewpoint.com
>>500-A Aero Commander
>>14-AV
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Commander-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Commander-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Commander-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Commander-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Commander-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
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Matt Dralle
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Commander-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Commander-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Commander-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Commander-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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