---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/03/06: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:24 AM - Re: 680E for sale (Barry Collman) 2. 09:33 AM - Re: 680E for sale (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 3. 09:36 AM - Re: cooler search (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 4. 09:37 AM - Re: 680E for sale (BertBerry1@aol.com) 5. 11:01 AM - Re: cooler search (Barry Collman) 6. 11:01 AM - Re: 680E for sale (Barry Collman) 7. 05:03 PM - MAC/LEMAC (John Vormbaum) 8. 05:27 PM - Bob Hoover Aerobatics (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 9. 05:30 PM - Re: MAC/LEMAC (Barry Collman) 10. 05:46 PM - Re: Bob Hoover Aerobatics (Barry Collman) 11. 05:46 PM - Re: MAC/LEMAC (John Vormbaum) 12. 06:04 PM - Re: MAC/LEMAC (Barry Collman) 13. 06:27 PM - Re: MAC/LEMAC (Barry Collman) 14. 07:00 PM - Re: MAC/LEMAC (John Vormbaum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:15 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680E for sale --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Mason, That's right, I'd forgotten about that article. It appeared in an issue of Twin Commander's "Flight Levels" magazine. And yes, the post you sent arrived safely and I apologise for not letting you know and to thank you. Kindest Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680E for sale | --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" | | bc, there was a magazine article that detailed this aircraft about two | years ago. p s have you ever received the post i sent you? mason | | | >From: "Barry Collman" | >To: | >Subject: Commander-List: 680E for sale | >Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:47:26 -0000 | > | >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > | > | >Hi guys, | > | >If anyone is looking for a really super-nice 680E, please let me know and | >I'll | >put you in touch with the owner. | > | >It is currently in Guatemala, but don't let that fact deter you. | > | >It was completely restored to ex-factory condition about 3-4 years ago. The | >engine overhaul cost more than the whole aircraft did when new! | > | >The only thing different from when it left the factory is the | >air-conditioning. | > | >Capt JimBob saw it at the TCAC University at Scottsdale in April 2003 and | >I'm | >sure will confirm that, apart from his own 680E, there's probably not | >another in | >better condition. | > | >Very Best Regards, | >Barry | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:12 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680E for sale --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 3/2/2006 3:50:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Capt JimBob saw it at the TCAC University at Scottsdale in April 2003 and I'm sure will confirm that, apart from his own 680E, there's probably not another in better condition. It is in truly remarkable condition!! Far better than new. The airplane still belongs to the original owner!! He told me it cost him more to have the engines overhauled than he paid for the airplane new. jb ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:20 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 3/2/2006 6:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, br549phil@mindspring.com writes: Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to have the name or number. Something servicable or repairable. Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable. Thanks, Hick & Lawrnce has the salvage from a 560F. They operate Commanders in Canada on a fire contract. I dont have their contact info any more, sorry. jb ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:05 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680E for sale --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com Is that the White/Orange and green TG- that was in the magazine? If so I believe that Sir Barry posted a photo of it on Airliner.com http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0820348&size=L&width=1024&height=694&sok =JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2C erznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%2 0NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22gt-qry%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20beqre%20o l%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=NEXTID ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:56 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hicks & Lawrence may possibly be contacted by the following methods: Email: duane@hickslawrence.com Phone: 807 937 5544 Fax: 807 937 2464 I say 'possibly', as they may not be current! Best regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search | --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com | | | In a message dated 3/2/2006 6:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, | br549phil@mindspring.com writes: | | Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to have | the name or number. | Something servicable or repairable. | Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable. | Thanks, | | | Hick & Lawrnce has the salvage from a 560F. They operate Commanders in | Canada on a fire contract. I dont have their contact info any more, sorry. jb | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:56 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680E for sale --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" That's the one! Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680E for sale | --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com | | Is that the White/Orange and green TG- that was in the magazine? If so I | believe that Sir Barry posted a photo of it on Airliner.com | | http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0820348&size=L&width=1024&height=694&sok | =JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2C | erznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%2 | 0NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22gt-qry%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20beqre%20o | l%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=NEXTID | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:45 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a 500-B wing? I somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't find it again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time. Thanks, /John ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:38 PM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover Aerobatics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Hello everyone in Commanderland. Check out the following link for a video clip of Bob Hoover performing his famous Energy Management Maneuver and Iced Tea Roll in his Shrike Commander. Its pretty spectacular. . http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQpVI_aldB0&search=aircraft Have a good weekend..!! Randy Dettmer 680F / N6253X ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:22 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi John, According to the info I have, MAC on a 500B is at: 70.10 inches, or 5ft 10.1 in, or 1.781 metres You may have found it in the Maintenance Manual, but here it is given as 70.05 inches, being 118.21 inches from the Fuselage Center Line. However, the Engineer who worked with Aero Commander's R&D people at Norman has checked all the dimension figures for us and found this small discrepancy. Now you know the correct figure, your 500B will fly even better than before ;-) Sincere Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:02 AM Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC | --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" | | Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a 500-B wing? I somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't find it again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time. | | Thanks, | | /John | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:53 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover Aerobatics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Randy, "Pretty spectacular"?..............It's Awesome!!! Reminds me of a guy I've flown with a few times.............can't remember his name.................lives up in the NW somewhere............. ;-) But, I must say that while Hoover's Energy Management routines are flawless, he really needed to brush up on his landings ;-) Thanks Randy! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:26 AM Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover Aerobatics | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" | | Hello everyone in Commanderland. | | Check out the following link for a video clip of Bob Hoover | performing his famous Energy Management Maneuver and Iced Tea | Roll in his Shrike Commander. Its pretty spectacular. | | . http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DvQpVI_aldB0&search=3Daircraft | | | Have a good weekend..!! | | Randy Dettmer | 680F / N6253X | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:53 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" I had a feeling that Sir Barry would know this! You refreshed my memory, and the 70.05 figure is the one I think I had....but now, knowing that it is *really* 70.10, I can load accordingly to get an extra knot. After all, I'm sure that 5/100ths of an inch makes all the difference. Thanks Barry! /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Collman" Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > > Hi John, > > According to the info I have, MAC on a 500B is at: > 70.10 inches, or > 5ft 10.1 in, or > 1.781 metres > > You may have found it in the Maintenance Manual, but here it is given as > 70.05 > inches, being 118.21 inches from the Fuselage Center Line. > However, the Engineer who worked with Aero Commander's R&D people at > Norman has > checked all the dimension figures for us and found this small discrepancy. > > Now you know the correct figure, your 500B will fly even better than > before ;-) > > Sincere Best Regards, > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:02 AM > Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC > > > > wing? I > somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't > find it > again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time. > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:25 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" "After all, I'm sure that 5/100ths of an inch makes all the difference." Just what my wife was saying earlier............... .................when we were hanging the curtains!!!!!!!! Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:46 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC | --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" | | I had a feeling that Sir Barry would know this! | | You refreshed my memory, and the 70.05 figure is the one I think I | had....but now, knowing that it is *really* 70.10, I can load accordingly to | get an extra knot. After all, I'm sure that 5/100ths of an inch makes all | the difference. | | Thanks Barry! | | /John | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Barry Collman" | To: | Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:30 PM | Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > | > | > Hi John, | > | > According to the info I have, MAC on a 500B is at: | > 70.10 inches, or | > 5ft 10.1 in, or | > 1.781 metres | > | > You may have found it in the Maintenance Manual, but here it is given as | > 70.05 | > inches, being 118.21 inches from the Fuselage Center Line. | > However, the Engineer who worked with Aero Commander's R&D people at | > Norman has | > checked all the dimension figures for us and found this small discrepancy. | > | > Now you know the correct figure, your 500B will fly even better than | > before ;-) | > | > Sincere Best Regards, | > Barry | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "John Vormbaum" | > To: | > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:02 AM | > Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC | > | > | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" | > | > | | > | Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a 500-B | > wing? I | > somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't | > find it | > again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time. | > | | > | Thanks, | > | | > | /John | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:57 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi again! Actually, thinking about it, the point of MAC is shown on factory drawings as what I can best describe as "a black&white quartered circle" on the top of the port wing, on the plan view part of the drawing. So John, next time you're putting some "motion-lotion" in the tanks, you might want to look across and see if your circle is still there. It could, of course though, have been painted-over when you had the plane re-sprayed? ;-) British humor eh.........doh!! Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:46 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC | --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" | | I had a feeling that Sir Barry would know this! | | You refreshed my memory, and the 70.05 figure is the one I think I | had....but now, knowing that it is *really* 70.10, I can load accordingly to | get an extra knot. After all, I'm sure that 5/100ths of an inch makes all | the difference. | | Thanks Barry! | | /John | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Barry Collman" | To: | Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:30 PM | Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC | | | > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > | > | > Hi John, | > | > According to the info I have, MAC on a 500B is at: | > 70.10 inches, or | > 5ft 10.1 in, or | > 1.781 metres | > | > You may have found it in the Maintenance Manual, but here it is given as | > 70.05 | > inches, being 118.21 inches from the Fuselage Center Line. | > However, the Engineer who worked with Aero Commander's R&D people at | > Norman has | > checked all the dimension figures for us and found this small discrepancy. | > | > Now you know the correct figure, your 500B will fly even better than | > before ;-) | > | > Sincere Best Regards, | > Barry | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "John Vormbaum" | > To: | > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:02 AM | > Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC | > | > | > | --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" | > | > | | > | Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a 500-B | > wing? I | > somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't | > find it | > again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time. | > | | > | Thanks, | > | | > | /John | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:13 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Yeah, luckily I haven't been married long enough yet to spend a Friday night hanging curtains! /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Collman" Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > > > Hi again! > > Actually, thinking about it, the point of MAC is shown on factory drawings > as > what I can best describe as "a black&white quartered circle" on the top of > the > port wing, on the plan view part of the drawing. > > So John, next time you're putting some "motion-lotion" in the tanks, you > might > want to look across and see if your circle is still there. > It could, of course though, have been painted-over when you had the plane > re-sprayed? ;-) > > British humor eh.........doh!! > > Best Regards, > Barry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Vormbaum" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:46 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC > > > > accordingly to > all > as > discrepancy. > 500-B > can't > > >