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1. 04:52 AM - Re: AGING AIRCRAFT (N395V)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: AGING AIRCRAFT (Bill Bow)
3. 01:49 PM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: (Bill Bow)
4. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: (David Owens)
5. 08:45 PM - Re: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from] (Brock Lorber)
6. 09:47 PM - Re: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from] (John Vormbaum)
7. 10:01 PM - Re: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from] (Dan Brady)
8. 11:13 PM - Re: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from] (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: AGING AIRCRAFT |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <N395V@direcway.com>
> seems to be far more
> prevelant on the big-engined models
There is an SB for massive reinforcement of the aft fuselage of the 685s starting
at the aft pressure bulkhead out to the tail cone. Required on all 135 and
121 aircraft. Cost around $25,000 to do it about 5 years ago.
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22086#22086
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I imagine it is mostly due to prop beat since it seems to be far more
prevelant on the big-engined models such as the 680F/FL.
I'm safe.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AGING AIRCRAFT
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Bill Bow wrote:
> Well there is always hope, since Ted Smith also worked for Donald Douglas,
> that it could turn out to be like the DC-8. It turned out to be the only
> aircraft in the Aging Fleet Program that was found to have "No discernable
> life span".
I seem to recall being told that there was a fatigue life determination
done on the Commander. I don't recall details of the results, but I do
remember that no "issues" were found with the wing design.
My personal speculation is that the tail surfaces would be one of the
first places to show significant fatigue damage. Commanders have a
pretty obvious propensity to develope cracks in the tail feathers. I
imagine it is mostly due to prop beat since it seems to be far more
prevelant on the big-engined models such as the 680F/FL.
Maybe Jim or Barry knows more.
Chris
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
How come I'm on the list's Junk Mail List?
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
I imagine it is mostly due to prop beat since it seems to be far more
prevelant on the big-engined models such as the 680F/FL.
I'm safe.
bilbo
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AGING AIRCRAFT
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
Mabey its all the comments about the "tits" Rebuilder... hehehe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To:
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> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
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> How come I'm on the list's Junk Mail List?
> BB
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> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
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> I imagine it is mostly due to prop beat since it seems to be far more
> prevelant on the big-engined models such as the 680F/FL.
>
> I'm safe.
>
> bilbo
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Schuermann
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> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: AGING AIRCRAFT
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> --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
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| Subject: | Re: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Brock Lorber <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
> What are your thoughts?? Do you have any input you would like me to
>carry tot he floor from you?? jb
>
>
I'm assuming "Get out of the way and let folks build new and better
airplanes without other folks who don't know a darn thing about
engineering or business interfering" wouldn't be received well?
Well, then, how about, "Get out of the way and let folks with CAD and
CNC machines that can crank out new parts in a couple of hours do it
without a business plan that includes years of prostheletizing before
the FAA alter"?
No? Well how about, "Since you approved the parts, mandated the
inspection program, licesned and inspected the operator, and created the
mess where the manufacturer is penalized for supporting their product as
it ages, you should take all the liability"?
Well, then, I've got nothing.
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| Subject: | Re: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Wow, Brock, hear hear!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from]
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Brock Lorber
> <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
>
>
>> What are your thoughts?? Do you have any input you would like me to
>>carry tot he floor from you?? jb
>>
>>
> I'm assuming "Get out of the way and let folks build new and better
> airplanes without other folks who don't know a darn thing about
> engineering or business interfering" wouldn't be received well?
>
> Well, then, how about, "Get out of the way and let folks with CAD and
> CNC machines that can crank out new parts in a couple of hours do it
> without a business plan that includes years of prostheletizing before
> the FAA alter"?
>
> No? Well how about, "Since you approved the parts, mandated the
> inspection program, licesned and inspected the operator, and created the
> mess where the manufacturer is penalized for supporting their product as
> it ages, you should take all the liability"?
>
> Well, then, I've got nothing.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Dan Brady" <westwind@hdiss.net>
"Brock"----Your assumtion that those statements would be unacceptable to the
powers that be was right on the money! We all know the last thing a
gov.reg.agency wants to hear is the truth.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from]
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Brock Lorber
> <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
>
>
>> What are your thoughts?? Do you have any input you would like me to
>>carry tot he floor from you?? jb
>>
>>
> I'm assuming "Get out of the way and let folks build new and better
> airplanes without other folks who don't know a darn thing about
> engineering or business interfering" wouldn't be received well?
>
> Well, then, how about, "Get out of the way and let folks with CAD and
> CNC machines that can crank out new parts in a couple of hours do it
> without a business plan that includes years of prostheletizing before
> the FAA alter"?
>
> No? Well how about, "Since you approved the parts, mandated the
> inspection program, licesned and inspected the operator, and created the
> mess where the manufacturer is penalized for supporting their product as
> it ages, you should take all the liability"?
>
> Well, then, I've got nothing.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AGING AIRCRAFT [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:46:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
blorber@southwestcirrus.com writes:
"Since you approved the parts, mandated the
inspection program, licesned and inspected the operator, and created the
mess where the manufacturer is penalized for supporting their product as
it ages, you should take all the liability"?
AMEN!! jb
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