---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/20/06: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:03 AM - Re: Dom Rep pics (BertBerry1@aol.com) 2. 07:14 AM - Re: Dom Rep pics (Moe) 3. 07:14 AM - Re: Dom Rep pics (steve) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: Dom Rep pics (BertBerry1@aol.com) 5. 07:26 AM - Re: Dom Rep pics (Moe) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: Dom Rep pics (Barry Collman) 7. 07:47 AM - Shop manual (Tom Fisher) 8. 07:55 AM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Dom Rep pics (Barry Collman) 9. 08:00 AM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Command... (BertBerry1@aol.com) 10. 08:07 AM - Re: Shop manual (Donnie Rose) 11. 08:16 AM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Dom Rep pics (steve) 12. 08:52 AM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Dom Rep pics (Bill Bow) 13. 09:14 AM - Re: Dom Rep pics (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 14. 09:41 AM - Re: Shop manual (Tom Fisher) 15. 09:49 AM - Re: Shop manual () 16. 09:49 AM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Dom Rep pics (Jim Addington) 17. 09:49 AM - Re: Shop manual () 18. 09:53 AM - Re: Shop manual (John Vormbaum) 19. 10:07 AM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Dom Rep pics (Matt Dralle) 20. 10:50 AM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Dom Rep pics (Bill Bow) 21. 11:06 AM - Re: Shop manual (Tom Fisher) 22. 11:09 AM - Re: Shop manual (Tom Fisher) 23. 11:31 AM - NOT Delivered email (css nico) 24. 12:43 PM - Re: NOT Delivered email (Tom Fisher) 25. 01:07 PM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Dom Rep pics (Barry Collman) 26. 03:05 PM - Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Dom Rep pics (Jim Addington) 27. 05:14 PM - Re: NOT Delivered email (css nico) 28. 07:43 PM - Re: Fw: Quantas air lines (W J R HAMILTON) 29. 09:03 PM - Re: AGING AIRCRAFT (BillLeff1@aol.com) 30. 10:44 PM - Re: Fw: Quantas air lines (css nico) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:54 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com Great Pictures Steve, did you happen to get a serial number for HI-662CA? Thanks, Bert ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:31 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Gents: Some advice please. At what temperature is it advisable to get an engine preheat with geared engines. Looks like I can't avoid cold weather this year. Regards. Moe N680RR 680F(p) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:02 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics > --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > Great Pictures Steve, did you happen to get a serial number for HI-662CA? > > Thanks, > > Bert > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:31 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" Sorry, no. The guards, one sitting under the wing of an AC were not likening me even taking the pictures. Steve G -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com Great Pictures Steve, did you happen to get a serial number for HI-662CA? Thanks, Bert ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:36 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com SMART MAN. Thanks Much, Bert ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:22 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Gents: Some advice please....at what temperature is it advisable to get a preheat on geared engines before starting....looks like I can't avoid the cold this year... Moe N680RR 680F(p) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics > --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com > > SMART MAN. > > Thanks Much, > > Bert > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:38 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi All, For anyone who is interested, the serial numbers of the Commanders photographed by Steve at Santo Domingo-Herrera are: HI-662CA - 560A-233, formerly N2733B. HI-587CT - 500-720, formerly N3828C. HI-522CA - 680E-749-39, formerly HI-522, N140L. Sad to see some 'oldies' in poor shape, but grateful thanks to Steve for a good 'roving report'! Best Regards, Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics | --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" | | Sorry, no. The guards, one sitting under the wing of an AC were not | likening me even taking the pictures. | | Steve G | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of | BertBerry1@aol.com | Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:02 AM | To: commander-list@matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics | | --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com | | Great Pictures Steve, did you happen to get a serial number for HI-662CA? | | Thanks, | | Bert | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:00 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Commander-List: Shop manual --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Gentlemen, I have not so far been able to locate the missing pages from the "Aircraft Shop Manual"(6-9 & 6-10). Can anyone help? Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:26 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Did everyone get this message OK, sent to the chatlist? I did, but also got this one saying it was junk mail! Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics | The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email server. | | To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known address list. | | Thank You. | | Original Message Contained: | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | Hi All, | | For anyone who is interested, the serial numbers of the Commanders photographed | by Steve at Santo Domingo-Herrera are: | | HI-662CA - 560A-233, formerly N2733B. | HI-587CT - 500-720, formerly N3828C. | HI-522CA - 680E-749-39, formerly HI-522, N140L. | | Sad to see some 'oldies' in poor shape, but grateful thanks to Steve for a good | 'roving report'! | | Best Regards, | Barry C. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "steve" | To: | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:32 AM PST US From: BertBerry1@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Command... --> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com I got it Barry. Bert ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:26 AM PST US From: Donnie Rose Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose Morning Tom, All I have are 500B books but, if same, will share. Hope you get what you need. Regards, --- Tom Fisher wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > Gentlemen, > > I have not so far been able to locate the missing > pages from the "Aircraft > Shop Manual"(6-9 & 6-10). > Can anyone help? > > Tom F. > C-GISS > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:26 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" Yes, I am receiving the same. One that goes through and one that shows a failure notice. Steve G. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:55 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" SEEEEE.........It's not just me. So there! bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Did everyone get this message OK, sent to the chatlist? I did, but also got this one saying it was junk mail! Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics | The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email server. | | To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known address list. | | Thank You. | | Original Message Contained: | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | Hi All, | | For anyone who is interested, the serial numbers of the Commanders photographed | by Steve at Santo Domingo-Herrera are: | | HI-662CA - 560A-233, formerly N2733B. | HI-587CT - 500-720, formerly N3828C. | HI-522CA - 680E-749-39, formerly HI-522, N140L. | | Sad to see some 'oldies' in poor shape, but grateful thanks to Steve for a good | 'roving report'! | | Best Regards, | Barry C. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "steve" | To: | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:02 AM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:15:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, moe@rosspistons.com writes: At what temperature is it advisable to get an engine preheat with geared engines. About 35F. Above that, should be no problem. I have started GO-480s at "0" but it not the best thing to do. The gearbox gets its oil last, so keep the revs low as long as possible. The blowers are also turning at about 10 times engine speed so that is another reason to keep the revs down until the blower bearings have warm oil. Also remember when operation in below std temps, the engine makes over rated HP. At "0" F I thing your 380 hp engines will make about 420hp. so I back off the MP a few inches when it is really cold (below 30) jb ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:45 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Thanks, I too have a 500B manual but it is not the same, I will keep trying. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donnie Rose" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 08:07 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual > --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose > > > Morning Tom, > All I have are 500B books but, if same, will share. > Hope you get what you need. > Regards, > --- Tom Fisher wrote: > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > I have not so far been able to locate the missing > > pages from the "Aircraft > > Shop Manual"(6-9 & 6-10). > > Can anyone help? > > > > Tom F. > > C-GISS > > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:12 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual --> Commander-List message posted by: Tom I Have the books you need pages out of send ne again what you need Harry 321 267-3141 What about the tear drop beacon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donnie Rose" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual > --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose > > > Morning Tom, > All I have are 500B books but, if same, will share. > Hope you get what you need. > Regards, > --- Tom Fisher wrote: > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" >> >> >> Gentlemen, >> >> I have not so far been able to locate the missing >> pages from the "Aircraft >> Shop Manual"(6-9 & 6-10). >> Can anyone help? >> >> Tom F. >> C-GISS >> 680FLP (Mr.RPM) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> browse >> Subscriptions page, >> FAQ, >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> >> Admin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:53 AM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" Yea, but you started it. Hehe Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" SEEEEE.........It's not just me. So there! bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Did everyone get this message OK, sent to the chatlist? I did, but also got this one saying it was junk mail! Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics | The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email server. | | To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known address list. | | Thank You. | | Original Message Contained: | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | Hi All, | | For anyone who is interested, the serial numbers of the Commanders photographed | by Steve at Santo Domingo-Herrera are: | | HI-662CA - 560A-233, formerly N2733B. | HI-587CT - 500-720, formerly N3828C. | HI-522CA - 680E-749-39, formerly HI-522, N140L. | | Sad to see some 'oldies' in poor shape, but grateful thanks to Steve for a good | 'roving report'! | | Best Regards, | Barry C. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "steve" | To: | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:53 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual --> Commander-List message posted by: Yes i can Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Commander-List: Shop manual > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > Gentlemen, > > I have not so far been able to locate the missing pages from the "Aircraft > Shop Manual"(6-9 & 6-10). > Can anyone help? > > Tom F. > C-GISS > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:04 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Tom, Have you tried Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813? I bet he has the 680FLP manual, and I know he'd help you out. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > Thanks, I too have a 500B manual but it is not the same, I will keep > trying. > Tom F. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donnie Rose" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 08:07 > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose >> >> >> Morning Tom, >> All I have are 500B books but, if same, will share. >> Hope you get what you need. >> Regards, >> --- Tom Fisher wrote: >> >> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" >> > >> > >> > Gentlemen, >> > >> > I have not so far been able to locate the missing >> > pages from the "Aircraft >> > Shop Manual"(6-9 & 6-10). >> > Can anyone help? >> > >> > Tom F. >> > C-GISS >> > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > browse >> > Subscriptions page, >> > FAQ, >> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> > >> > Admin. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> Donnie Rose >> 205/492-8444 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:52 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle All, I am aware of this issue. These messages are *not* coming from Matronics. They are coming from someone subscribed to the Commander-List (and a number of others, such as the Kitfox-list, Pietenpol-List and Kolb-List) and who has some Spam filtering software mis-configured. The problem I'm having is that my posts to the List don't seem to cause me to get one of the bounces. I need to dissect in detail the full headers of one of these messages to determine (hopefully) where they are actually coming from. If someone that has received one of these could forward me a complete copy of the message including all of the headers (in Unix email format with all of the "Received: " lines intact), hopefully I can get this guy removed from the List. Its looking like it might be coming from the "seawave.net" ISP, but I'm not positive. If your mail goes through this ISP, please contact me ASAP. Sorry for the hassle, Matt Dralle Matronics List Admin At 07:55 AM 3/20/2006 Monday, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > >Did everyone get this message OK, sent to the chatlist? > >I did, but also got this one saying it was junk mail! > >Barry C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:44 PM >Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: >Commander-List: Dom Rep pics > > >| The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email >server. >| >| To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known address >list. >| >| Thank You. >| >| Original Message Contained: >| >| >| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" > >| >| Hi All, >| >| For anyone who is interested, the serial numbers of the Commanders >photographed >| by Steve at Santo Domingo-Herrera are: >| >| HI-662CA - 560A-233, formerly N2733B. >| HI-587CT - 500-720, formerly N3828C. >| HI-522CA - 680E-749-39, formerly HI-522, N140L. >| >| Sad to see some 'oldies' in poor shape, but grateful thanks to Steve for a >good >| 'roving report'! >| >| Best Regards, >| Barry C. >| >| ----- Original Message ----- >| From: "steve" >| To: >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:28 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Was I married to you once? bb -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" Yea, but you started it. Hehe Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" SEEEEE.........It's not just me. So there! bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Did everyone get this message OK, sent to the chatlist? I did, but also got this one saying it was junk mail! Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics | The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email server. | | To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known address list. | | Thank You. | | Original Message Contained: | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | Hi All, | | For anyone who is interested, the serial numbers of the Commanders photographed | by Steve at Santo Domingo-Herrera are: | | HI-662CA - 560A-233, formerly N2733B. | HI-587CT - 500-720, formerly N3828C. | HI-522CA - 680E-749-39, formerly HI-522, N140L. | | Sad to see some 'oldies' in poor shape, but grateful thanks to Steve for a good | 'roving report'! | | Best Regards, | Barry C. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "steve" | To: | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:53 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Thanks Harry, I guess my last Email went astray. I need the "Shop Manual" pages (6-9 & 6-10). My fax number is 604-274-1281. Thanks again, I hope it matches this time, my page 6-11 starts with a paragraph "J". Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 09:44 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual > --> Commander-List message posted by: > > Tom I Have the books you need pages out of > send ne again what you need > Harry > 321 267-3141 > What about the tear drop beacon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donnie Rose" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose > > > > > > Morning Tom, > > All I have are 500B books but, if same, will share. > > Hope you get what you need. > > Regards, > > --- Tom Fisher wrote: > > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > >> > >> > >> Gentlemen, > >> > >> I have not so far been able to locate the missing > >> pages from the "Aircraft > >> Shop Manual"(6-9 & 6-10). > >> Can anyone help? > >> > >> Tom F. > >> C-GISS > >> 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> browse > >> Subscriptions page, > >> FAQ, > >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > >> > >> Admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Donnie Rose > > 205/492-8444 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:01 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Oh yes, about the tear drop tail light, As I mentioned I want to put a strobe up there but my idea was to put the strobe inside the teardrop lens but I guess that is not practical so I will just use the lens that comes with the strobe (when I buy it that is). Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 09:45 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual > --> Commander-List message posted by: > > Yes i can > Harry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fisher" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:41 AM > Subject: Commander-List: Shop manual > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > I have not so far been able to locate the missing pages from the "Aircraft > > Shop Manual"(6-9 & 6-10). > > Can anyone help? > > > > Tom F. > > C-GISS > > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:01 AM PST US From: "css nico" Cc: "Commander-List@Matronics.Com" Subject: Commander-List: NOT Delivered email --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" Matt, this is one I received sending an email to the Rocket list. I hope this helps. I attached the entire email hoping that the headers are included. If not, then let me know and I can open it up and cut and paste the contents for you. Thanks Nico ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:12 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: NOT Delivered email --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Remember you can't attach things at this site, you will have to send it directly to him. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "css nico" Cc: "Commander-List@Matronics.Com" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:28 Subject: Commander-List: NOT Delivered email > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" > > Matt, this is one I received sending an email to the Rocket list. > I hope this helps. I attached the entire email hoping that the headers are included. If not, then let me know and I can open it up and cut and paste the contents for you. > Thanks > Nico > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:43 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Matt, The following is copied by accessing "Properties", then "Details" and is shown as "Internet headers for this message". Don't know whether it helps, but "mail.seawave.net" is in there: Return-path: Envelope-to: bcollman@air-britain.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:44:23 +0000 Received: from airbrit5 by townshend.uk-noc.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FLMYP-0008Q9-Ej for bcollman@air-britain.co.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:44:23 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on townshend.uk-noc.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from host-64-179-92-102.pro.choiceone.net ([64.179.92.102] helo=mail.seawave.net) by townshend.uk-noc.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FLMYP-0008Q0-5n for barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:44:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.seawave.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7533815C0ECD for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.seawave.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (linux02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01181-02 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.seawave.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 0BBDF15C0EB8; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:44:27 +0000 (UTC) From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics X-Antivirus-Scanner: ClamAV check passed X-NAS-Language: English X-NAS-Bayes: #0: 0; #1: 1 X-NAS-Classification: 0 X-NAS-MessageID: 4254 X-NAS-Validation: {F9991EBD-5743-4473-8212-5960A9354802} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics | --> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle | | All, | | I am aware of this issue. These messages are *not* coming from Matronics. They are coming from someone subscribed to the Commander-List (and a number of others, such as the Kitfox-list, Pietenpol-List and Kolb-List) and who has some Spam filtering software mis-configured. The problem I'm having is that my posts to the List don't seem to cause me to get one of the bounces. | | I need to dissect in detail the full headers of one of these messages to determine (hopefully) where they are actually coming from. If someone that has received one of these could forward me a complete copy of the message including all of the headers (in Unix email format with all of the "Received: " lines intact), hopefully I can get this guy removed from the List. | | Its looking like it might be coming from the "seawave.net" ISP, but I'm not positive. If your mail goes through this ISP, please contact me ASAP. | | Sorry for the hassle, | | Matt Dralle | Matronics List Admin | | | At 07:55 AM 3/20/2006 Monday, you wrote: | >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > | >Did everyone get this message OK, sent to the chatlist? | > | >I did, but also got this one saying it was junk mail! | > | >Barry C. | > | >----- Original Message ----- | >From: | >To: | >Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:44 PM | >Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: | >Commander-List: Dom Rep pics | > | > | >| The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email | >server. | >| | >| To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known address | >list. | >| | >| Thank You. | >| | >| Original Message Contained: | >| | >| | >| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | > | >| | >| Hi All, | >| | >| For anyone who is interested, the serial numbers of the Commanders | >photographed | >| by Steve at Santo Domingo-Herrera are: | >| | >| HI-662CA - 560A-233, formerly N2733B. | >| HI-587CT - 500-720, formerly N3828C. | >| HI-522CA - 680E-749-39, formerly HI-522, N140L. | >| | >| Sad to see some 'oldies' in poor shape, but grateful thanks to Steve for a | >good | >| 'roving report'! | >| | >| Best Regards, | >| Barry C. | >| | >| ----- Original Message ----- | >| From: "steve" | >| To: | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | | | Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 | 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email | http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:49 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" No, that was something I learned from my wife. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Was I married to you once? bb -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" Yea, but you started it. Hehe Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: RE: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" SEEEEE.........It's not just me. So there! bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Did everyone get this message OK, sent to the chatlist? I did, but also got this one saying it was junk mail! Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: - Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dom Rep pics | The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email server. | | To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known address list. | | Thank You. | | Original Message Contained: | | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | Hi All, | | For anyone who is interested, the serial numbers of the Commanders photographed | by Steve at Santo Domingo-Herrera are: | | HI-662CA - 560A-233, formerly N2733B. | HI-587CT - 500-720, formerly N3828C. | HI-522CA - 680E-749-39, formerly HI-522, N140L. | | Sad to see some 'oldies' in poor shape, but grateful thanks to Steve for a good | 'roving report'! | | Best Regards, | Barry C. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "steve" | To: | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:38 PM PST US From: "css nico" Subject: Re: Commander-List: NOT Delivered email --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" You had me worried there for a moment, Tom. I did send it to him directly and just copied the list to see if it will allow this message through. Thanks anyway. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: NOT Delivered email > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > Remember you can't attach things at this site, you will have to send it > directly to him. > Tom F. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "css nico" > To: > Cc: "Commander-List@Matronics.Com" > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:28 > Subject: Commander-List: NOT Delivered email > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" > > > > > Matt, this is one I received sending an email to the Rocket list. > > I hope this helps. I attached the entire email hoping that the headers are > included. If not, then let me know and I can open it up and cut and paste > the contents for you. > > Thanks > > Nico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:57 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Quantas air lines --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Nico, With all due respect, ain't no such animal as QUantas, although we have to list it under QU---- in all the North American phone books. The world's second oldest international airline started as Queensland & Northern Territory Aerial Services, hence QANTAS. Or have a look at John Travolta's B707-138B, one of our original ( and one of two remaining) -138 models ( and not a -120, as many claim, and thereby hangs another story) where you will see it spelt correctly. Have a look at Cheers, Bill Hamilton. PS We have had accidents, but the last fatal accident (to an airline service, as opposed to developmental air services in Papua/New Guinea) was a Lancastrian ( passenger version of the Avro Lancaster) shot down by the Japanese of the NW Australian coast, en route Australia to Ceylon. We have never had a jet fatal accident or even a serious injury, despite being the first non-US operator of Boeing jets. We have just ordered 115 B787. Re. the snags joke, I first saw this list attached to BOAC in the late '60's/early 70's, what goes around, comes around. Just fill in airline name of choice. At 16:19 20/03/2006, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" > >Subject: Fw: Quantas air lines > These have been around before, but still funny.... > > Begin forwarded message: > > These will bring a smile to your face, or maybe even more. > > Subject: Quantas air lines > > Remember, it takes a college degree to fly a plane but only a > high school diploma to fix one. Reassurance for those of us who fly > routinely in our jobs. > > After every flight, Qantas pilots fill out a form, called a > "gripe sheet," which tells mechanics about problems with the > aircraft. The mechanics correct the problems, document their > repairs on the form, and then pilots review the gripe sheets before > the next flight. Never let it be said that ground crews lack a sense of humor. > > Here are some actual maintenance complaints submitted by Qantas' > pilots (marked with a P) and the solutions recorded (marked with an > S) by maintenance engineers. By the way, Qantas is the only major! > airline that has never had an accident. > > P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement. > S: Almost replaced left inside main tire. > > P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough. > S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft. > > P: Something loose in cockpit. > S: Something tightened in cockpit. > > P: Dead bugs on windshield. > S: Live bugs on back-order. > > P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent. > S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground. > > P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. > S: Evidence removed. > > P: DME volume unbelievably loud. > S: DME volume set to more believable level. > > P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. > S: That's what they're for. > > P: IFF inoperative. > S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode. > > P: Suspected crack in windshield. > S: Suspect you're right. > > P: Number 3 engine missing. > S: Engine found on right wing after brief search. > > P: Aircraft handles funny. (I love this one!) > S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious. > > P: Target radar hums. > S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics. > > P: Mouse in cockpit. > S: Cat installed > > And the best one for last ................. > > P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget > pounding on something with a hammer. > S: Took hammer away from midget. > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to: Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:40 PM PST US From: BillLeff1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: AGING AIRCRAFT --> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com In fact the Beech 18 had many wing failures. So many, in fact, that the US post Office stopped allowing them to be used for certain charter flights. Personal acquaintance of mine, Dick Kelly from Akron, Ohio, had a spar break in flight at night in smooth air. He was able to get it on the ground before the wing came off. It broke in the wheel well and the engine mount held it together. This aircraft had been corporate flown and maintained since new. It had around 5000 hours on it as I remember. (Dick had 23,000 hours in a Twin Beech when he retired). After that is when they came up with the several crack detectors and straps. Fred Gates did a report on the fatigue life of the commander airframe. I use to have a copy but can not find it. Bill Leff ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:17 PM PST US From: "css nico" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Quantas air lines --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" Bill, I stand corrected, even though I didn't write the story but only passed it along. I should have made sure it is correct. Good point. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "W J R HAMILTON" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Quantas air lines > --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON > > Nico, > With all due respect, ain't no such animal as QUantas, although we > have to list it under QU---- in all the North American phone books. > The world's second oldest international airline started as Queensland > & Northern Territory Aerial Services, hence QANTAS. > Or have a look at John Travolta's B707-138B, one of our original ( > and one of two remaining) -138 models ( and not a -120, as many > claim, and thereby hangs another story) where you will see it spelt correctly. > Have a look at > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton. > > PS > We have had accidents, but the last fatal accident (to an airline > service, as opposed to developmental air services in Papua/New > Guinea) was a Lancastrian ( passenger version of the Avro Lancaster) > shot down by the Japanese of the NW Australian coast, en route > Australia to Ceylon. > We have never had a jet fatal accident or even a serious injury, > despite being the first non-US operator of Boeing jets. We have just > ordered 115 B787. > Re. the snags joke, I first saw this list attached to BOAC in the > late '60's/early 70's, what goes around, comes around. Just fill in > airline name of choice. > > > At 16:19 20/03/2006, you wrote: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" > > > >Subject: Fw: Quantas air lines > > These have been around before, but still funny.... > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > These will bring a smile to your face, or maybe even more. > > > > Subject: Quantas air lines > > > > Remember, it takes a college degree to fly a plane but only a > > high school diploma to fix one. Reassurance for those of us who fly > > routinely in our jobs. > > > > After every flight, Qantas pilots fill out a form, called a > > "gripe sheet," which tells mechanics about problems with the > > aircraft. The mechanics correct the problems, document their > > repairs on the form, and then pilots review the gripe sheets before > > the next flight. Never let it be said that ground crews lack a sense of humor. > > > > Here are some actual maintenance complaints submitted by Qantas' > > pilots (marked with a P) and the solutions recorded (marked with an > > S) by maintenance engineers. By the way, Qantas is the only major! > > airline that has never had an accident. > > > > P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement. > > S: Almost replaced left inside main tire. > > > > P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough. > > S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft. > > > > P: Something loose in cockpit. > > S: Something tightened in cockpit. > > > > P: Dead bugs on windshield. > > S: Live bugs on back-order. > > > > P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent. > > S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground. > > > > P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. > > S: Evidence removed. > > > > P: DME volume unbelievably loud. > > S: DME volume set to more believable level. > > > > P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. > > S: That's what they're for. > > > > P: IFF inoperative. > > S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode. > > > > P: Suspected crack in windshield. > > S: Suspect you're right. > > > > P: Number 3 engine missing. > > S: Engine found on right wing after brief search. > > > > P: Aircraft handles funny. (I love this one!) > > S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious. > > > > P: Target radar hums. > > S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics. > > > > P: Mouse in cockpit. > > S: Cat installed > > > > And the best one for last ................. > > > > P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget > > pounding on something with a hammer. > > S: Took hammer away from midget. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet > Services and Warbirds.Net. & . > This message is intended for and should only be used by the > addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged > information.If you are not the intended recipient any use > distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly > prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this > communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken > delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please > notify us immediately to: > Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 > Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. > >