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1. 05:49 AM - FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 (Deneal Schilmeister (Portege))
2. 09:57 AM - Re: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 (Tom Fisher)
3. 10:15 AM - Commander Upload (css nico)
4. 10:23 AM - Re: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 (css nico)
5. 11:14 AM - Re: Commander Upload (David Owens)
6. 11:19 AM - Re: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 (Tom Fisher)
7. 11:41 AM - Re: Commander Upload (Tom Fisher)
8. 11:44 AM - Re: Commander Upload (David Owens)
9. 12:53 PM - Re: Commander Upload (css nico)
10. 01:28 PM - Re: Commander Upload (css nico)
11. 02:34 PM - Re: Commander Upload (David Owens)
12. 04:11 PM - Some more stuff from Bert... (css nico)
13. 05:07 PM - Re: Some more stuff from Bert... (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
14. 06:45 PM - MR RPM Turbos (mike floyd)
15. 07:40 PM - Re: MR RPM Turbos (John Vormbaum)
16. 07:54 PM - Re: MR RPM Turbos (CloudCraft@aol.com)
17. 08:23 PM - MR RPM Turbos (mike floyd)
18. 08:25 PM - MR RPM Turbos (mike floyd)
19. 10:46 PM - Re: Some more stuff from Bert... (css nico)
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Subject: | FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: John Towner [mailto:johntowner@centralairsouthwest.com]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:35 AM
Subject: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006
Deneal,
Enclosed is the e-mail we have sent to all of our pilots. I cannot post
messages on the TCFG chat page due to my computer. Please feel free to post
it and share with the group. There is an old adage, "life is not long
enough to make all of the mistakes, you have to learn from others mistakes"
Hopefully the enclosed could help someone else not have the same thing
happen to them.
YOUR FRIEND,
JT :-)
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Friday MAR 24, 2006
RE: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006
Monday night March 20, 2006 at about 9:00pm CST our aircraft N662MW was
shooting an ILS approach to Rwy 14 at SHV Shreveport LA. The weather was
700 overcast and there was some ground fog at about 100 feet that had been
reported. Our pilot told me when he transitioned from the instrument
approach, taking over visually he had the runway insight and then soon after
lost the runway in the ground fog
As it turned out our pilot hit several of the approach lights short of the
runway and then landed. The good thing, no one was hurt and the aircraft is
repairable. During training we have stressed the importance of staying on
the localizer and glide slope after transitioning to visual conditions and
if you encounter ground fog after going visual you must immediately execute
a missed approach. Ground fog can be a very dangerous situation seeing the
runway and lights and then not seeing it.
As a review, PLEASE make sure when shooting approaches that after
transitioning from instruments to visual on ILS approaches that you ALWAYS
continue to stay on the localizer and glide slope to touchdown. If you have
any questions or comments please feel free to contact me.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner
Chief Pilot
Central Air Southwest
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Subject: | Re: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
In that situation, either in a helicopter or a fixed-wing, my scan of the
VSI gets prolonged for the two to three seconds of temporarily losing visual
just as in a glassy water float landing you wait for touchdown.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 05:47
Subject: Commander-List: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)"
<deneals@sbcglobal.net>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Towner [mailto:johntowner@centralairsouthwest.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:35 AM
> To: Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)
> Subject: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006
>
>
> Deneal,
>
> Enclosed is the e-mail we have sent to all of our pilots. I cannot post
> messages on the TCFG chat page due to my computer. Please feel free to
post
> it and share with the group. There is an old adage, "life is not long
> enough to make all of the mistakes, you have to learn from others
mistakes"
> Hopefully the enclosed could help someone else not have the same thing
> happen to them.
>
> YOUR FRIEND,
>
> JT :-)
>
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> Friday MAR 24, 2006
> TO: All Company Pilots
> RE: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006
>
> Monday night March 20, 2006 at about 9:00pm CST our aircraft N662MW was
> shooting an ILS approach to Rwy 14 at SHV Shreveport LA. The weather was
> 700 overcast and there was some ground fog at about 100 feet that had been
> reported. Our pilot told me when he transitioned from the instrument
> approach, taking over visually he had the runway insight and then soon
after
> lost the runway in the ground fog
>
> As it turned out our pilot hit several of the approach lights short of the
> runway and then landed. The good thing, no one was hurt and the aircraft
is
> repairable. During training we have stressed the importance of staying on
> the localizer and glide slope after transitioning to visual conditions and
> if you encounter ground fog after going visual you must immediately
execute
> a missed approach. Ground fog can be a very dangerous situation seeing
the
> runway and lights and then not seeing it.
>
> As a review, PLEASE make sure when shooting approaches that after
> transitioning from instruments to visual on ILS approaches that you ALWAYS
> continue to stay on the localizer and glide slope to touchdown. If you
have
> any questions or comments please feel free to contact me.
>
> RESPECTFULLY,
>
> John Towner
> Chief Pilot
> Central Air Southwest
>
>
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Subject: | Commander Upload |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Folks,
The latest upload of great Commander material is complete. Thanks to Bert.
It can be viewed at
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20M
anuals%20etc/_2006-3-24/
Thanks
Nico
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Subject: | Re: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Tom, If I understand what you are saying, is that a missed approach, to
avoid those brief seconds descending through ground fog, is unnecessary.
I also believe that if you are established at 100 or so feet above
touchdown, you need not execute a missed approach but just let the plane
land. Am I wrong? Certainly wandering off the GS is looking for trouble.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20,
2006
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> In that situation, either in a helicopter or a fixed-wing, my scan of the
> VSI gets prolonged for the two to three seconds of temporarily losing
visual
> just as in a glassy water float landing you wait for touchdown.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 05:47
> Subject: Commander-List: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20,
2006
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)"
> <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Towner [mailto:johntowner@centralairsouthwest.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:35 AM
> > To: Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)
> > Subject: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006
> >
> >
> >
> > Deneal,
> >
> > Enclosed is the e-mail we have sent to all of our pilots. I cannot post
> > messages on the TCFG chat page due to my computer. Please feel free to
> post
> > it and share with the group. There is an old adage, "life is not long
> > enough to make all of the mistakes, you have to learn from others
> mistakes"
> > Hopefully the enclosed could help someone else not have the same thing
> > happen to them.
> >
> > YOUR FRIEND,
> >
> > JT :-)
> >
>
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> > Friday MAR 24, 2006
> > TO: All Company Pilots
> > RE: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006
> >
> > Monday night March 20, 2006 at about 9:00pm CST our aircraft N662MW was
> > shooting an ILS approach to Rwy 14 at SHV Shreveport LA. The weather
was
> > 700 overcast and there was some ground fog at about 100 feet that had
been
> > reported. Our pilot told me when he transitioned from the instrument
> > approach, taking over visually he had the runway insight and then soon
> after
> > lost the runway in the ground fog
> >
> > As it turned out our pilot hit several of the approach lights short of
the
> > runway and then landed. The good thing, no one was hurt and the
aircraft
> is
> > repairable. During training we have stressed the importance of staying
on
> > the localizer and glide slope after transitioning to visual conditions
and
> > if you encounter ground fog after going visual you must immediately
> execute
> > a missed approach. Ground fog can be a very dangerous situation seeing
> the
> > runway and lights and then not seeing it.
> >
> > As a review, PLEASE make sure when shooting approaches that after
> > transitioning from instruments to visual on ILS approaches that you
ALWAYS
> > continue to stay on the localizer and glide slope to touchdown. If you
> have
> > any questions or comments please feel free to contact me.
> >
> > RESPECTFULLY,
> >
> > John Towner
> > Chief Pilot
> > Central Air Southwest
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Subject: | Re: Commander Upload |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
For some reason, Nico the page cannot be displayed???
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Upload
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Folks,
> The latest upload of great Commander material is complete. Thanks to Bert.
>
> It can be viewed at
>
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20M
> anuals%20etc/_2006-3-24/
>
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
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Subject: | Re: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
No, I am not saying that a missed approach is unnecessary but when you are
talking about a brief loss of visual contact, such as what you would
encounter with a fog layer just above the ground, that by the time you
decide to overshoot had you delayed another two seconds visual contact would
be reestablished, of course as you say one must be in a stabilized approach.
I am more concerned with the localizer over the GS especially in a crosswind
situation.
Over the years of helicopter IFR offshore flying in fog I have conducted a
number of ITO's (Instrument Take Offs) and a few zero zero landings during
SAR missions. Of course a RadAlt and IVSI is desired.
When I received my fixed-wing float endorsement it happened to be dead calm
all week so under tutorship the only landings I knew were essentially
instrument zero zero type landings where you reduce your sink rate to
minimum and wait till you touched down.
My more exciting landing memories are landing helicopters on drill ships
with their helideck heaving 20 feet and rolling 15 degrees either side of
vertical, in the civilian world we did not have winch down systems to use,
you had to do a slope landing right at the top of the heave or you better
get out of there before the deck comes up to hit you.
I think the Commander would be a good tilt rotor.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:20
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20,
2006
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Tom, If I understand what you are saying, is that a missed approach, to
> avoid those brief seconds descending through ground fog, is unnecessary.
> I also believe that if you are established at 100 or so feet above
> touchdown, you need not execute a missed approach but just let the plane
> land. Am I wrong? Certainly wandering off the GS is looking for trouble.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR
20,
> 2006
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > In that situation, either in a helicopter or a fixed-wing, my scan of
the
> > VSI gets prolonged for the two to three seconds of temporarily losing
> visual
> > just as in a glassy water float landing you wait for touchdown.
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 05:47
> > Subject: Commander-List: FW: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20,
> 2006
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)"
> > <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Towner [mailto:johntowner@centralairsouthwest.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:35 AM
> > > To: Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)
> > > Subject: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Deneal,
> > >
> > > Enclosed is the e-mail we have sent to all of our pilots. I cannot
post
> > > messages on the TCFG chat page due to my computer. Please feel free
to
> > post
> > > it and share with the group. There is an old adage, "life is not long
> > > enough to make all of the mistakes, you have to learn from others
> > mistakes"
> > > Hopefully the enclosed could help someone else not have the same thing
> > > happen to them.
> > >
> > > YOUR FRIEND,
> > >
> > > JT :-)
> > >
> >
>
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>
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> > >
> > >
> > > Friday MAR 24, 2006
> > > TO: All Company Pilots
> > > RE: SHV Incident/Accident Monday night MAR 20, 2006
> > >
> > > Monday night March 20, 2006 at about 9:00pm CST our aircraft N662MW
was
> > > shooting an ILS approach to Rwy 14 at SHV Shreveport LA. The weather
> was
> > > 700 overcast and there was some ground fog at about 100 feet that had
> been
> > > reported. Our pilot told me when he transitioned from the instrument
> > > approach, taking over visually he had the runway insight and then soon
> > after
> > > lost the runway in the ground fog
> > >
> > > As it turned out our pilot hit several of the approach lights short of
> the
> > > runway and then landed. The good thing, no one was hurt and the
> aircraft
> > is
> > > repairable. During training we have stressed the importance of
staying
> on
> > > the localizer and glide slope after transitioning to visual conditions
> and
> > > if you encounter ground fog after going visual you must immediately
> > execute
> > > a missed approach. Ground fog can be a very dangerous situation
seeing
> > the
> > > runway and lights and then not seeing it.
> > >
> > > As a review, PLEASE make sure when shooting approaches that after
> > > transitioning from instruments to visual on ILS approaches that you
> ALWAYS
> > > continue to stay on the localizer and glide slope to touchdown. If
you
> > have
> > > any questions or comments please feel free to contact me.
> > >
> > > RESPECTFULLY,
> > >
> > > John Towner
> > > Chief Pilot
> > > Central Air Southwest
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Subject: | Re: Commander Upload |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Check for the line wrap on the address, be sure to include the entire
address.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:13
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Upload
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens"
<dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
>
> For some reason, Nico the page cannot be displayed???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:12 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Upload
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > Folks,
> > The latest upload of great Commander material is complete. Thanks to
Bert.
> >
> > It can be viewed at
> >
> >
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20M
> > anuals%20etc/_2006-3-24/
> >
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: | Re: Commander Upload |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
yes, Go To...
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20M
And see what happens??? We will get to the bottom of this!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Upload
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> Check for the line wrap on the address, be sure to include the entire
> address.
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:13
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Upload
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens"
> <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
> >
> > For some reason, Nico the page cannot be displayed???
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:12 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Commander Upload
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > > The latest upload of great Commander material is complete. Thanks to
> Bert.
> > >
> > > It can be viewed at
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20M
> > > anuals%20etc/_2006-3-24/
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Nico
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Subject: | Re: Commander Upload |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
David,
The link is longer than the text message's width so it truncates it at about 80
characters. Try this one:
Articles
I just hid the long link underneat the word Articles. I will watch it too, and
if it doesn't work I will try something else.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Upload
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
>
> For some reason, Nico the page cannot be displayed???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:12 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Upload
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > Folks,
> > The latest upload of great Commander material is complete. Thanks to Bert.
> >
> > It can be viewed at
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> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20M
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Subject: | Re: Commander Upload |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
OK, guys, I fixed it now.
http://www.teletuition.org/articles.htm will always take you to the
Commander articles. Click on the one with today's date.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Upload
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens"
<dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
>
> For some reason, Nico the page cannot be displayed???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:12 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Upload
>
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> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> >
> > Folks,
> > The latest upload of great Commander material is complete. Thanks to
Bert.
> >
> > It can be viewed at
> >
> >
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20M
> > anuals%20etc/_2006-3-24/
> >
> > Thanks
> > Nico
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Subject: | Re: Commander Upload |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
Thanks! That worked... Very cool stuff. Have a great weekend!
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Upload
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> OK, guys, I fixed it now.
>
> http://www.teletuition.org/articles.htm will always take you to the
> Commander articles. Click on the one with today's date.
>
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Upload
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens"
> <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
> >
> > For some reason, Nico the page cannot be displayed???
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:12 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Commander Upload
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
> > <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > > The latest upload of great Commander material is complete. Thanks to
> Bert.
> > >
> > > It can be viewed at
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http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20M
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Subject: | Some more stuff from Bert... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
http://www.teletuition.org/articles.htm will take you to the Commander
articles.
Since this is the second upload for today, click on the one with today's
date (2).
Thanks
Nico
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Subject: | Re: Some more stuff from Bert... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
In a message dated 3/24/2006 4:12:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Thanks
Nico
HI NICO.
Are you posting these on the Commander site?? jb
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
Just need to share the news in Commander land. I have been working with Dick
MaCoon and Arnold Blankenship of Firetruck Aviation in Centerville Tennesee
to put together an updated turbocharger conversion.
Commander 500S N210HD sports 4 RayJay turbos, Inconel wastegates, updated
actuator system (no cables) linear electric actuator, electronic wastegate
controller with manual override.
Relocated oil cooler.
No scavange pumps, improved gravity drain system.
A general clean up program to improve maintenance access and reliabilty.
Final STC certification details are pending but she will fly legally with a
DER's 8110 form.
System is based on the original RayJay STC and MR RPM improvements. Test
flights are scheduled for next Wendsday.
STC will cover 500B,U,S. and will feature a gross weight increase.
Bragging a bit but she will have all of a freight dog's maintenance
improvements, my contribution. She only makes a living when she flys. She
must be reliable and maintainable.
Contact Arnold or his most capable wife Charlene at 931-729-0007. Arnold is
the holder of the MR RPM STC's and tooling.
Or myself Mike Floyd 509-886-1036
Mike Floyd
Commander NW LTD
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Subject: | Re: MR RPM Turbos |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Hi Mike,
Quick question: I have a 500B with the original rayjay system installed
(electric wastegates). Is this a complete new installation, or is there a MR
RPM "upgrade" available? Additionally, can this package be offered on the
newer "wide-deck" IO-540's? I'd like to switch to those engines at some
point.
Also, can you share some information on the cost of the conversion/upgrade?
Thanks,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:44 PM
Subject: Commander-List: MR RPM Turbos
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
>
> Just need to share the news in Commander land. I have been working with
> Dick
> MaCoon and Arnold Blankenship of Firetruck Aviation in Centerville
> Tennesee
> to put together an updated turbocharger conversion.
> Commander 500S N210HD sports 4 RayJay turbos, Inconel wastegates, updated
> actuator system (no cables) linear electric actuator, electronic wastegate
> controller with manual override.
> Relocated oil cooler.
> No scavange pumps, improved gravity drain system.
> A general clean up program to improve maintenance access and reliabilty.
> Final STC certification details are pending but she will fly legally with
> a
> DER's 8110 form.
> System is based on the original RayJay STC and MR RPM improvements. Test
> flights are scheduled for next Wendsday.
> STC will cover 500B,U,S. and will feature a gross weight increase.
> Bragging a bit but she will have all of a freight dog's maintenance
> improvements, my contribution. She only makes a living when she flys. She
> must be reliable and maintainable.
> Contact Arnold or his most capable wife Charlene at 931-729-0007. Arnold
> is
> the holder of the MR RPM STC's and tooling.
> Or myself Mike Floyd 509-886-1036
>
> Mike Floyd
> Commander NW LTD
>
>
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Subject: | Re: MR RPM Turbos |
--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
In a message dated 24-Mar-06 18:46:30 Pacific Standard Time,
floydgm@hotmail.com writes:
Commander 500S N210HD sports 4 RayJay turbos, Inconel wastegates, updated
actuator system (no cables) linear electric actuator, electronic wastegate
controller with manual override.
Relocated oil cooler.
No scavange pumps, improved gravity drain system.
<><><><><><>
Sounds perfect! More questions:
How does one over ride the electric turbos without cables?
This must be full-time turbo-normalization, right?
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
No the later wide deck engines are not supported thank Lycoming for that.
The original narrow deck IO-540s are supported. And so are the original
RayJay installations. No price info yet but if you have the system intalled
the upgrades are available.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
The electronic wastegate controllers can be overridden by the manual control
switches.
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Subject: | Re: Some more stuff from Bert... |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Jim,
I will. It's a pity the window of opportunity I had passed by the time I got
a hold of the site. It's going much slower than I wanted because I am mostly
tied up with a new contract. Nevertheless, I am working on the site as much
as I can. The intention was to upload all the material directly to the new
Commander site, but it's just not ready for that yet, so I resumed
publishing the stuff on my site until the new site is ready.
Sorry about that.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Some more stuff from Bert...
> --> Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 3/24/2006 4:12:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
>
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> HI NICO.
>
> Are you posting these on the Commander site?? jb
>
>
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