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1. 01:09 AM - Re: Introduction (Robert S. Randazzo)
2. 01:10 AM - Thanks! (Robert S. Randazzo)
3. 08:27 AM - Re: Thanks! (css nico)
4. 01:51 PM - Re: Thanks! (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
5. 02:35 PM - Re: Desperate For Parts (David Owens)
6. 07:32 PM - Re: Adell Clamps? (W J R HAMILTON)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
David-
Ah, Great! Another 685 owner!
I have not had any problems with parts- EXCEPT that I'm currently having a
hard time finding a turbo housing. Everyone seems to think they are
available- but nobody seems to know where. Apparently this happens with
turbo housings from time to time- so I'm not sweating it just yet.
My operating with the airplane has been mostly pretty heavy as well. Three
legs were with 322gal of fuel- and I was glad to have some time in larger
transport category airplanes that suffer in climb performance when full of
gas. I honestly never considered "Step climbs" in a GA airplane before- but
they worked perfectly.
Once I'm finished with this refit, most of my flying will be up/down the
west coast. Reno is mountainous terrain- which is why I was so inteersted
in the Cheltons. I like the idea of being able to see in the dark with the
synthetic vision- and in the event I have to find a landing strip with one
prop not turning- the Flight Path Vector is an incredibly useful tool. Most
of my flying will be single pilot- so I am a big fan of automation.
Store my email address, David- I'd like to make good acquaintance with
fellow 685 owners. I can't wait to get our bird flying again. Every time I
squeeze myself into the back of some airline's equipment- I look more and
more forward to having this upgrade completed.
Must be a way we can strap a pair of Garrets to our airplanes without anyone
noticing, David... Just might have to use some good old Yankee Ingenuity.
Hahahahah..... ("No, Mr. FAA Man. I don't know why the dataplate says
GTSO-520-K on it. I mean- look! Those are clearly Garrets!")
Robert Randazzo
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STOLHorse@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 22:35
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Introduction
--> Commander-List message posted by: STOLHorse@aol.com
Hello Robert - And hello again to the rest of you Commander fans.
I have not contributed to this list in probably two years or more but I
have been reading virtually every post. This list is definitely my support
group as I am certain my brain will end up in a glass jar right alongside
most of yours in the Center for the Study of Creative Aircraft Expenditure
Justifications. But, that's OK with me because we all know that these
airplanes are as superior as they are unique. I've owned a 690B, 681B
twice, a 560F briefly, and now the 685. I'm sure we all have our favorite
model but what I've learned from my small sampling is that they are all
fantastic airplanes.
It was a real pleasure to read your introduction Robert (and the resultant
685 specific advise) because I have been getting acquainted with MSN 12057
over the past year and a half. I'm not sure but I think Milt was the only
685 owner on the list and I knew he sold his (yours) a couple years ago.
Anyway, I am pleasantly surprised with the airplane. I bought it for the
same reasons you did and, after flying the 690's so much, I figured I'd
really not like it much. But, as long as I keep it in perspective and don't
ask it for 690 type capabilities, it has worked very well. I run the
airplane fairly heavy (its hard not to because they are so heavy empty) and
I go to high altitude airports with it -- but not in mountainous areas. I
do use full power on take off, because it needs it, but I do it very
slowly.
I am currently doing my second annual on it (I do most of my own
maintenance) and this is definitely the time of year when I am continuously
arguing with myself about how much I need a Commander. I was pretty
worried about finding parts for it but, so far, I have been able to find
all that I need. That is not to say that there haven't been some
challenging "Easter egg hunts" but, actually it has been much better than I
expected. I can echo the concerns about the exhaust system inspections.
Right after I got the plane I found a crack in one exhaust stack that
started right at the weld of the flange and had worked its way about 5/8
around the tube. I open both sides of that cowling and get my flash light
and rag and study and grab and touch and wipe everything thoroughly before
every flight. The stories of broken exhaust and fires is plenty of
motivation to spend 45 minutes or so preflighting the airplane.
I have never spent anywhere near the amount of time on preflight
inspections with any other airplane but I feel better doing it on this one.
I have only flown it about 130 hours but, so far it has been a sound
airplane and I'm glad I gave it a try. I would love to upgrade the panel
like you are doing. (I am currently doing a very similar panel with the
Chelton displays in a customers Helio Courier.) I also gave a considerable
amount of thought to an engine conversion but, like Keith said, I think I'll
wait for the next Popular Mechanics to come out.
Well, maybe I rarely contribute to this list because I don't know when to
stop. Sorry to ramble on.
Welcome to the list and I look forward to hearing more about your 685.
Let's talk about power settings sometime.
Best regards,
David Maytag
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
For everyone on this list-
Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone. As the "new guy" to the list and to
Commander-Land- I hope you know how useful it is to immediately gain from
the experiences you all are sharing.
I've learned as much in the last two days as I've learned in the previous 6
months about my airplane.
Great stuff- thanks.
Robert Randazzo
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Robert,
Some folks barged onto the list with all sorts of tricks and attitudes. They
quickly felt unwelcome and smartly left the list. Stand-up people like
yourself who show some character have always been warmly welcomed and felt
right at home over here. We are just a bunch of regular folk who love
Commanders and aviation; and who do not mind walking the extra mile for
someone else.
I don't mean to speak for the group, but I have a hunch my perceptions are
accurate.
Welcome.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:10 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Thanks!
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo"
<rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
>
> For everyone on this list-
>
> Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone. As the "new guy" to the list and
to
> Commander-Land- I hope you know how useful it is to immediately gain from
> the experiences you all are sharing.
>
> I've learned as much in the last two days as I've learned in the previous
6
> months about my airplane.
>
> Great stuff- thanks.
>
> Robert Randazzo
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala@msn.com>
r & n, amen and morris is good.! mason
----- Original Message -----
From: css nico<mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Thanks!
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com<mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com>>
Robert,
Some folks barged onto the list with all sorts of tricks and attitudes. They
quickly felt unwelcome and smartly left the list. Stand-up people like
yourself who show some character have always been warmly welcomed and felt
right at home over here. We are just a bunch of regular folk who love
Commanders and aviation; and who do not mind walking the extra mile for
someone else.
I don't mean to speak for the group, but I have a hunch my perceptions are
accurate.
Welcome.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com<mailto:rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:10 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Thanks!
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo"
<rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com<mailto:rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>>
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> For everyone on this list-
>
> Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone. As the "new guy" to the list and
to
> Commander-Land- I hope you know how useful it is to immediately gain from
> the experiences you all are sharing.
>
> I've learned as much in the last two days as I've learned in the previous
6
> months about my airplane.
>
> Great stuff- thanks.
>
> Robert Randazzo
>
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Subject: | Re: Desperate For Parts |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
Hey, we got all our parts together finally, and we are in the air. Just got
a new GPS today, soooo... 2 new engines, props, hoses, and more...You
mentioned that there might be a fly-in at your airport? Is that so? I
mentioned it to some of the pilots and my brother, and they all seemed
interested... Let me know if something is in the works. Thanks again for all
of your input on our missing parts delima...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
<jtaddington@charter.net>
>
> Try White Industries if they are still in business. They had a 500A at one
> time, now that I think about it that was over 15 years ago, but you never
> know.
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
> 500A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:58 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" <steveg@nternet.com>
>
> David,
>
> Have you tried Jack Chapelle in California? Lots of ACommander goodies at
> 951-371-7513.
>
> Steve G.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Owens
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:29 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens"
> <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
>
> We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up
> after the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the
> overhaul shop. To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree
elbow
> aluminum cast intake connecting to the fuel controller on the right
engine.
> This part has a large accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the
air
> filter box attached to the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A
> Commander, and it IS an airframe part. The part number in question is
> 3610274-502. Specific to a Continental 470 or 520 engine. Other parts that
> are missing are the entire baffle assy Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4,
3&5,
> and 4&6, as well as the supports for the fuel injection lines that connect
> to these baffle assy's on top of the engine. These parts (baffles) are not
> specific to the right engine only, as they are the same part no's for both
> sides. The other items are the two control rods (mixture & throttle)
> connecting to the fuel controlle!
> r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End
> Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If ANYONE
> out there that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we might
> contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in seeing
> pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison, I will send them
> e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking for these parts
for
> weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new" engine on these
> parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these parts or part for
> us.
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> DW Hooks Airport
> Spring, Texas
> dowens@aerialviewpoint.com
> 500-A Aero Commander
> 14-AV
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Adell Clamps? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Guys,
Go easy on Bellville washers, many an aircraft
with a wooden prop has had all sorts of nasty
things happen with disintegrating/ departing
props or parts thereof, because they didn=92t
understand Bellville washers =96 Schnizzentight is
not always the way to go, indeed RTFM.
Perhaps you are thinking of Marmon clamps.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 13:53 12/04/2006, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 11-Apr-06 14:40:19 Pacific Daylight Time,
>rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com writes:
>You mentioned the Adell clamps, and Milt mentions fire- can you guys give
>me a quick education on this particular issue?
>Robert,
>
>Thanks for the opportunity to clear that up. After I launched that email and
>went about my day, I realized I used the wrong name for the clamp I'm
>describing. An Adell clamp is common and used
>to stand off tubes, wires and hoses.
>This is not what I'm talking about.
>
>I will probably have to ask Morris the name -- unless Bill Leff is here and
>knows the answer -- but there is a stainless steel clamp that tightens with a
>screw, kind of like a spring tensioned super hose clamp but much larger and
>shaped with a groove if memory serves me well,
>that clamps down on the turbo and
>the exhaust stack.
>
>One 685 I flew had one that was not able to tighten enough. The symptom in
>the cockpit was a drop in manifold
>pressure. The visual simptom was a pretty
>hairy exhaust streak coming out the nacelle
>door. Scares me just to remember
>it.
>
>Anyway, I remember being told that "There are none," when discussing
>replacing it as it was unique to the AC-685.
>
>I'm sorry for being vague about something so important, but I can't recall
>the name. Let's see .... it isn't a Sperthing
>Bearing, a Bellville washer or a
>hydrocoptic Marzel vane. Isn't a transverse durakit .... not a retro
>encabulator ...
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
>
>Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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