---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/12/06: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:09 AM - Re: Introduction (Robert S. Randazzo) 2. 01:10 AM - Thanks! (Robert S. Randazzo) 3. 08:27 AM - Re: Thanks! (css nico) 4. 01:51 PM - Re: Thanks! (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 5. 02:35 PM - Re: Desperate For Parts (David Owens) 6. 07:32 PM - Re: Adell Clamps? (W J R HAMILTON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:26 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Introduction --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" David- Ah, Great! Another 685 owner! I have not had any problems with parts- EXCEPT that I'm currently having a hard time finding a turbo housing. Everyone seems to think they are available- but nobody seems to know where. Apparently this happens with turbo housings from time to time- so I'm not sweating it just yet. My operating with the airplane has been mostly pretty heavy as well. Three legs were with 322gal of fuel- and I was glad to have some time in larger transport category airplanes that suffer in climb performance when full of gas. I honestly never considered "Step climbs" in a GA airplane before- but they worked perfectly. Once I'm finished with this refit, most of my flying will be up/down the west coast. Reno is mountainous terrain- which is why I was so inteersted in the Cheltons. I like the idea of being able to see in the dark with the synthetic vision- and in the event I have to find a landing strip with one prop not turning- the Flight Path Vector is an incredibly useful tool. Most of my flying will be single pilot- so I am a big fan of automation. Store my email address, David- I'd like to make good acquaintance with fellow 685 owners. I can't wait to get our bird flying again. Every time I squeeze myself into the back of some airline's equipment- I look more and more forward to having this upgrade completed. Must be a way we can strap a pair of Garrets to our airplanes without anyone noticing, David... Just might have to use some good old Yankee Ingenuity. Hahahahah..... ("No, Mr. FAA Man. I don't know why the dataplate says GTSO-520-K on it. I mean- look! Those are clearly Garrets!") Robert Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of STOLHorse@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 22:35 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Introduction --> Commander-List message posted by: STOLHorse@aol.com Hello Robert - And hello again to the rest of you Commander fans. I have not contributed to this list in probably two years or more but I have been reading virtually every post. This list is definitely my support group as I am certain my brain will end up in a glass jar right alongside most of yours in the Center for the Study of Creative Aircraft Expenditure Justifications. But, that's OK with me because we all know that these airplanes are as superior as they are unique. I've owned a 690B, 681B twice, a 560F briefly, and now the 685. I'm sure we all have our favorite model but what I've learned from my small sampling is that they are all fantastic airplanes. It was a real pleasure to read your introduction Robert (and the resultant 685 specific advise) because I have been getting acquainted with MSN 12057 over the past year and a half. I'm not sure but I think Milt was the only 685 owner on the list and I knew he sold his (yours) a couple years ago. Anyway, I am pleasantly surprised with the airplane. I bought it for the same reasons you did and, after flying the 690's so much, I figured I'd really not like it much. But, as long as I keep it in perspective and don't ask it for 690 type capabilities, it has worked very well. I run the airplane fairly heavy (its hard not to because they are so heavy empty) and I go to high altitude airports with it -- but not in mountainous areas. I do use full power on take off, because it needs it, but I do it very slowly. I am currently doing my second annual on it (I do most of my own maintenance) and this is definitely the time of year when I am continuously arguing with myself about how much I need a Commander. I was pretty worried about finding parts for it but, so far, I have been able to find all that I need. That is not to say that there haven't been some challenging "Easter egg hunts" but, actually it has been much better than I expected. I can echo the concerns about the exhaust system inspections. Right after I got the plane I found a crack in one exhaust stack that started right at the weld of the flange and had worked its way about 5/8 around the tube. I open both sides of that cowling and get my flash light and rag and study and grab and touch and wipe everything thoroughly before every flight. The stories of broken exhaust and fires is plenty of motivation to spend 45 minutes or so preflighting the airplane. I have never spent anywhere near the amount of time on preflight inspections with any other airplane but I feel better doing it on this one. I have only flown it about 130 hours but, so far it has been a sound airplane and I'm glad I gave it a try. I would love to upgrade the panel like you are doing. (I am currently doing a very similar panel with the Chelton displays in a customers Helio Courier.) I also gave a considerable amount of thought to an engine conversion but, like Keith said, I think I'll wait for the next Popular Mechanics to come out. Well, maybe I rarely contribute to this list because I don't know when to stop. Sorry to ramble on. Welcome to the list and I look forward to hearing more about your 685. Let's talk about power settings sometime. Best regards, David Maytag ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:22 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: Commander-List: Thanks! --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" For everyone on this list- Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone. As the "new guy" to the list and to Commander-Land- I hope you know how useful it is to immediately gain from the experiences you all are sharing. I've learned as much in the last two days as I've learned in the previous 6 months about my airplane. Great stuff- thanks. Robert Randazzo ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:16 AM PST US From: "css nico" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Thanks! --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" Robert, Some folks barged onto the list with all sorts of tricks and attitudes. They quickly felt unwelcome and smartly left the list. Stand-up people like yourself who show some character have always been warmly welcomed and felt right at home over here. We are just a bunch of regular folk who love Commanders and aviation; and who do not mind walking the extra mile for someone else. I don't mean to speak for the group, but I have a hunch my perceptions are accurate. Welcome. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: Commander-List: Thanks! > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" > > For everyone on this list- > > Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone. As the "new guy" to the list and to > Commander-Land- I hope you know how useful it is to immediately gain from > the experiences you all are sharing. > > I've learned as much in the last two days as I've learned in the previous 6 > months about my airplane. > > Great stuff- thanks. > > Robert Randazzo > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:19 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Thanks! --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" r & n, amen and morris is good.! mason ----- Original Message ----- From: css nico To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Thanks! --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" > Robert, Some folks barged onto the list with all sorts of tricks and attitudes. They quickly felt unwelcome and smartly left the list. Stand-up people like yourself who show some character have always been warmly welcomed and felt right at home over here. We are just a bunch of regular folk who love Commanders and aviation; and who do not mind walking the extra mile for someone else. I don't mean to speak for the group, but I have a hunch my perceptions are accurate. Welcome. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert S. Randazzo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: Commander-List: Thanks! > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" > > > For everyone on this list- > > Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone. As the "new guy" to the list and to > Commander-Land- I hope you know how useful it is to immediately gain from > the experiences you all are sharing. > > I've learned as much in the last two days as I've learned in the previous 6 > months about my airplane. > > Great stuff- thanks. > > Robert Randazzo > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:32 PM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts --> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" Hey, we got all our parts together finally, and we are in the air. Just got a new GPS today, soooo... 2 new engines, props, hoses, and more...You mentioned that there might be a fly-in at your airport? Is that so? I mentioned it to some of the pilots and my brother, and they all seemed interested... Let me know if something is in the works. Thanks again for all of your input on our missing parts delima... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > Try White Industries if they are still in business. They had a 500A at one > time, now that I think about it that was over 15 years ago, but you never > know. > Jim Addington > N444BD > 500A > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:58 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" > > David, > > Have you tried Jack Chapelle in California? Lots of ACommander goodies at > 951-371-7513. > > Steve G. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:29 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "David Owens" > > > We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up > after the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the > overhaul shop. To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree elbow > aluminum cast intake connecting to the fuel controller on the right engine. > This part has a large accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the air > filter box attached to the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A > Commander, and it IS an airframe part. The part number in question is > 3610274-502. Specific to a Continental 470 or 520 engine. Other parts that > are missing are the entire baffle assy Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4, 3&5, > and 4&6, as well as the supports for the fuel injection lines that connect > to these baffle assy's on top of the engine. These parts (baffles) are not > specific to the right engine only, as they are the same part no's for both > sides. The other items are the two control rods (mixture & throttle) > connecting to the fuel controlle! > r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End > Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If ANYONE > out there that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we might > contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in seeing > pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison, I will send them > e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking for these parts for > weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new" engine on these > parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these parts or part for > us. > > David Owens > Aerial Viewpoint > DW Hooks Airport > Spring, Texas > dowens@aerialviewpoint.com > 500-A Aero Commander > 14-AV > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:24 PM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: Re: Commander-List: Adell Clamps? --> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON Guys, Go easy on Bellville washers, many an aircraft with a wooden prop has had all sorts of nasty things happen with disintegrating/ departing props or parts thereof, because they didn=92t understand Bellville washers =96 Schnizzentight is not always the way to go, indeed RTFM. Perhaps you are thinking of Marmon clamps. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 13:53 12/04/2006, you wrote: >--> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft@aol.com > >In a message dated 11-Apr-06 14:40:19 Pacific Daylight Time, >rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com writes: >You mentioned the Adell clamps, and Milt mentions fire- can you guys give >me a quick education on this particular issue? >Robert, > >Thanks for the opportunity to clear that up. After I launched that email and >went about my day, I realized I used the wrong name for the clamp I'm >describing. An Adell clamp is common and used >to stand off tubes, wires and hoses. >This is not what I'm talking about. > >I will probably have to ask Morris the name -- unless Bill Leff is here and >knows the answer -- but there is a stainless steel clamp that tightens with a >screw, kind of like a spring tensioned super hose clamp but much larger and >shaped with a groove if memory serves me well, >that clamps down on the turbo and >the exhaust stack. > >One 685 I flew had one that was not able to tighten enough. The symptom in >the cockpit was a drop in manifold >pressure. The visual simptom was a pretty >hairy exhaust streak coming out the nacelle >door. Scares me just to remember >it. > >Anyway, I remember being told that "There are none," when discussing >replacing it as it was unique to the AC-685. > >I'm sorry for being vague about something so important, but I can't recall >the name. Let's see .... it isn't a Sperthing >Bearing, a Bellville washer or a >hydrocoptic Marzel vane. 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