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1. 08:01 AM - Ohio Meeting (Moe)
2. 10:13 AM - A day out! (Barry Collman)
3. 11:09 AM - Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance (Tom Fisher)
4. 11:17 AM - Re: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
5. 11:27 AM - Re: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance (John Vormbaum)
6. 11:29 AM - Near miss, Vancouver (Tom Fisher)
7. 11:38 AM - Re: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance (Tom Fisher)
8. 01:00 PM - Re: Near miss, Vancouver (Tom Fisher)
9. 02:19 PM - Re: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance (css nico)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
Somebody,
When is our get together in Ohio this year? Have lost my info.
Thanx!
Moe
608F(p)
N680RR
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi All,
I thought I'd let you know that I met up with Dan Farmer this morning at the RAF
Museum, Hendon. We spent about 4 hours touring the exhibits, by which time Dan
had been 'on the go' for some 27 hours, having captained his American Airlines
B777 into London-Heathrow early this morning.
After wearing out our shoe leather at the Museum, we then drove a short distance
to Elstree Aerodrome to take a look at John Houlder's 680E, which he's owned for
nearly 38 years! It seems it was in the process of an extensive overhaul. Both
engines were off and the interior was all but completely stripped out. Some of
you may remember that John and his 680E were the subject of a write-up in TCAC's
'Flight Levels' magazine some years ago. [If you own a Twin Commander and do not
receive 'Flight Levels', contact them accordingly!]
After taking a look at some of the other aircraft both in the hangar and
outside, a good number of which were 'N' registered, it was time to drop Dan
back at the Tube Station, so he could get back to his hotel in London and grab
some well-earned rest.
It was good to have Dan's company and to hear an American accent again!
Has been a good day all round. In the post this morning was a package from the
FAA. In it was the paperwork covering the history of two Commanders, the files
for which had eluded being found by the FAA for the last 10 years! I sent them
a
list a month or so back and one of my 'favorite' Examiners has managed to locate
these two and photocopy the relevant documents. $3.65 well spent I say. Mind
you, there's a few more they have to locate yet!
Happy Days!!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Happy to see the sunrise again.
Since I obtained my abused 680FLP I have been bringing it up to spec. and was out
on a test flight with an engineer setting up the rigging on all the controls.
The wx. was 3000 overcast with rain showers, we were doing a VOR hold at 2500 feet
during which we were being feed traffic information of VFR training aircraft
below and around us being controlled by another agency for that altitude.
On our last inbound leg, clipping along at 190 with 75% power, the engineer had
just finished recording all that had to be recorded.
I advised the controlling agency (radar) that we were ready to return for landing.
As I was waiting for the clearance I had my eyes inside to adjust the EGT's
(the engineer wanted full rich for the tests) before I got the needles where
I wanted them I heard the transmission "traffic".... as soon as the word "traffic"
was processed by my brain I looked up and before "12 O'clock" was heard
I saw a single-engine Cessna in a steep climbing left turn about 50 feet below
me and maybe 1000' in front of me going right to left. I yarded up and to
the right on the yoke, yes we missed him, but not by much, I'm sure had we not
done the avoidance maneuver we would have clipped him. I'm sure the Cessna never
saw us.
Radar apologized profusely siting transponder recognition issues with adjacent
controlling agencies.
I since have tested a "PCAS" Portable Collision Avoidance System that is the size
of a deck of cards. There are a couple of models of this type out there and
it seems to work quite well, this one for under $500. I am getting one; I am
also going to try a get funding to supply one for each of our search aircraft.
Cheap life insurance.
Tom F.
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
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| Subject: | Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
Hi Tom,
Wow...quite an experience. Glad you were quick enough to avoid a nasty
situation. I have seen some ads for the PCAS units. What type / brand are
your referring to, and what kind are you going to purchase..??
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680fF/ N62653X
Dettmer Architecture
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Happy to see the sunrise again.
Since I obtained my abused 680FLP I have been bringing it up to spec. and
was out on a test flight with an engineer setting up the rigging on all the
controls.
The wx. was 3000 overcast with rain showers, we were doing a VOR hold at
2500 feet during which we were being feed traffic information of VFR
training aircraft below and around us being controlled by another agency for
that altitude.
On our last inbound leg, clipping along at 190 with 75% power, the engineer
had just finished recording all that had to be recorded.
I advised the controlling agency (radar) that we were ready to return for
landing. As I was waiting for the clearance I had my eyes inside to adjust
the EGT's (the engineer wanted full rich for the tests) before I got the
needles where I wanted them I heard the transmission "traffic".... as soon
as the word "traffic" was processed by my brain I looked up and before "12
O'clock" was heard I saw a single-engine Cessna in a steep climbing left
turn about 50 feet below me and maybe 1000' in front of me going right to
left. I yarded up and to the right on the yoke, yes we missed him, but not
by much, I'm sure had we not done the avoidance maneuver we would have
clipped him. I'm sure the Cessna never saw us.
Radar apologized profusely siting transponder recognition issues with
adjacent controlling agencies.
I since have tested a "PCAS" Portable Collision Avoidance System that is the
size of a deck of cards. There are a couple of models of this type out
there and it seems to work quite well, this one for under $500. I am getting
one; I am also going to try a get funding to supply one for each of our
search aircraft.
Cheap life insurance.
Tom F.
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
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| Subject: | Re: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Tom,
Glad things worked out well. I live in very congested airspace (San
Francisco, CA) and midair collision is the one thing that really scares me.
Especially since there is a lot of VFR training going on from my aiport & 2
other local airports.
Can you share the details on the PCAS that you tested? Brand & model
perhaps?
Thanks,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> Happy to see the sunrise again.
>
> Since I obtained my abused 680FLP I have been bringing it up to spec. and
> was out on a test flight with an engineer setting up the rigging on all
> the controls.
> The wx. was 3000 overcast with rain showers, we were doing a VOR hold at
> 2500 feet during which we were being feed traffic information of VFR
> training aircraft below and around us being controlled by another agency
> for that altitude.
> On our last inbound leg, clipping along at 190 with 75% power, the
> engineer had just finished recording all that had to be recorded.
> I advised the controlling agency (radar) that we were ready to return for
> landing. As I was waiting for the clearance I had my eyes inside to
> adjust the EGT's (the engineer wanted full rich for the tests) before I
> got the needles where I wanted them I heard the transmission "traffic"....
> as soon as the word "traffic" was processed by my brain I looked up and
> before "12 O'clock" was heard I saw a single-engine Cessna in a steep
> climbing left turn about 50 feet below me and maybe 1000' in front of me
> going right to left. I yarded up and to the right on the yoke, yes we
> missed him, but not by much, I'm sure had we not done the avoidance
> maneuver we would have clipped him. I'm sure the Cessna never saw us.
> Radar apologized profusely siting transponder recognition issues with
> adjacent controlling agencies.
>
> I since have tested a "PCAS" Portable Collision Avoidance System that is
> the size of a deck of cards. There are a couple of models of this type
> out there and it seems to work quite well, this one for under $500. I am
> getting one; I am also going to try a get funding to supply one for each
> of our search aircraft.
> Cheap life insurance.
>
> Tom F.
> C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Near miss, Vancouver |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
This is the second attempt to send this because the previous Email was rejected
as I had "cheap life insurance" in the subject line.
************************************************
Happy to see the sunrise again.
Since I obtained my abused 680FLP I have been bringing it up to spec. and was out
on a test flight with an engineer setting up the rigging on all the controls.
The wx. was 3000 overcast with rain showers, we were doing a VOR hold at 2500 feet
during which we were being feed traffic information of VFR training aircraft
below and around us being controlled by another agency for that altitude.
On our last inbound leg, clipping along at 190 with 75% power, the engineer had
just finished recording all that had to be recorded.
I advised the controlling agency (radar) that we were ready to return for landing.
As I was waiting for the clearance I had my eyes inside to adjust the EGT's
(the engineer wanted full rich for the tests) before I got the needles where
I wanted them I heard the transmission "traffic".... as soon as the word "traffic"
was processed by my brain I looked up and before "12 O'clock" was heard
I saw a single-engine Cessna in a steep climbing left turn about 50 feet below
me and maybe 1000' in front of me going right to left. I yarded up and to
the right on the yoke, yes we missed him, but not by much, I'm sure had we not
done the avoidance maneuver we would have clipped him. I'm sure the Cessna never
saw us.
Radar apologized profusely siting transponder recognition issues with adjacent
controlling agencies.
I since have tested a "PCAS" Portable Collision Avoidance System that is the size
of a deck of cards. There are a couple of models of this type out there and
it seems to work quite well, this one for under $500. I am getting one; I am
also going to try a get funding to supply one for each of our search aircraft.
Cheap life insurance.
Tom F.
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
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| Subject: | Re: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Look up www.flightweb.ca
Click on Collision Avoidance, you will see two units there, I tested the
small one.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:26
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
>
> Tom,
>
> Glad things worked out well. I live in very congested airspace (San
> Francisco, CA) and midair collision is the one thing that really scares
me.
> Especially since there is a lot of VFR training going on from my aiport &
2
> other local airports.
>
> Can you share the details on the PCAS that you tested? Brand & model
> perhaps?
>
> Thanks,
>
> /John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:09 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > Happy to see the sunrise again.
> >
> > Since I obtained my abused 680FLP I have been bringing it up to spec.
and
> > was out on a test flight with an engineer setting up the rigging on all
> > the controls.
> > The wx. was 3000 overcast with rain showers, we were doing a VOR hold at
> > 2500 feet during which we were being feed traffic information of VFR
> > training aircraft below and around us being controlled by another agency
> > for that altitude.
> > On our last inbound leg, clipping along at 190 with 75% power, the
> > engineer had just finished recording all that had to be recorded.
> > I advised the controlling agency (radar) that we were ready to return
for
> > landing. As I was waiting for the clearance I had my eyes inside to
> > adjust the EGT's (the engineer wanted full rich for the tests) before I
> > got the needles where I wanted them I heard the transmission
"traffic"....
> > as soon as the word "traffic" was processed by my brain I looked up and
> > before "12 O'clock" was heard I saw a single-engine Cessna in a steep
> > climbing left turn about 50 feet below me and maybe 1000' in front of me
> > going right to left. I yarded up and to the right on the yoke, yes we
> > missed him, but not by much, I'm sure had we not done the avoidance
> > maneuver we would have clipped him. I'm sure the Cessna never saw us.
> > Radar apologized profusely siting transponder recognition issues with
> > adjacent controlling agencies.
> >
> > I since have tested a "PCAS" Portable Collision Avoidance System that is
> > the size of a deck of cards. There are a couple of models of this type
> > out there and it seems to work quite well, this one for under $500. I am
> > getting one; I am also going to try a get funding to supply one for
each
> > of our search aircraft.
> > Cheap life insurance.
> >
> > Tom F.
> > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Near miss, Vancouver |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Look up www.flightweb.ca
Click on Collision Avoidance, you will see two units there, I tested the
small one.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:26
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
>
> Tom,
>
> Glad things worked out well. I live in very congested airspace (San
> Francisco, CA) and midair collision is the one thing that really scares
me.
> Especially since there is a lot of VFR training going on from my aiport &
2
> other local airports.
>
> Can you share the details on the PCAS that you tested? Brand & model
> perhaps?
>
> Thanks,
>
> /John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:09 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
> > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
> >
> > Happy to see the sunrise again.
> >
> > Since I obtained my abused 680FLP I have been bringing it up to spec.
and
> > was out on a test flight with an engineer setting up the rigging on all
> > the controls.
> > The wx. was 3000 overcast with rain showers, we were doing a VOR hold at
> > 2500 feet during which we were being feed traffic information of VFR
> > training aircraft below and around us being controlled by another agency
> > for that altitude.
> > On our last inbound leg, clipping along at 190 with 75% power, the
> > engineer had just finished recording all that had to be recorded.
> > I advised the controlling agency (radar) that we were ready to return
for
> > landing. As I was waiting for the clearance I had my eyes inside to
> > adjust the EGT's (the engineer wanted full rich for the tests) before I
> > got the needles where I wanted them I heard the transmission
"traffic"....
> > as soon as the word "traffic" was processed by my brain I looked up and
> > before "12 O'clock" was heard I saw a single-engine Cessna in a steep
> > climbing left turn about 50 feet below me and maybe 1000' in front of me
> > going right to left. I yarded up and to the right on the yoke, yes we
> > missed him, but not by much, I'm sure had we not done the avoidance
> > maneuver we would have clipped him. I'm sure the Cessna never saw us.
> > Radar apologized profusely siting transponder recognition issues with
> > adjacent controlling agencies.
> >
> > I since have tested a "PCAS" Portable Collision Avoidance System that is
> > the size of a deck of cards. There are a couple of models of this type
> > out there and it seems to work quite well, this one for under $500. I am
> > getting one; I am also going to try a get funding to supply one for
each
> > of our search aircraft.
> > Cheap life insurance.
> >
> > Tom F.
> > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
As if one needs this sort of thing in life. Good to hear you escaped
(again), Tom.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Near miss, Vancouver - cheap life insurance
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
> Happy to see the sunrise again.
>
> Since I obtained my abused 680FLP I have been bringing it up to spec. and
was out on a test flight with an engineer setting up the rigging on all the
controls.
> The wx. was 3000 overcast with rain showers, we were doing a VOR hold at
2500 feet during which we were being feed traffic information of VFR
training aircraft below and around us being controlled by another agency for
that altitude.
> On our last inbound leg, clipping along at 190 with 75% power, the
engineer had just finished recording all that had to be recorded.
> I advised the controlling agency (radar) that we were ready to return for
landing. As I was waiting for the clearance I had my eyes inside to adjust
the EGT's (the engineer wanted full rich for the tests) before I got the
needles where I wanted them I heard the transmission "traffic".... as soon
as the word "traffic" was processed by my brain I looked up and before "12
O'clock" was heard I saw a single-engine Cessna in a steep climbing left
turn about 50 feet below me and maybe 1000' in front of me going right to
left. I yarded up and to the right on the yoke, yes we missed him, but not
by much, I'm sure had we not done the avoidance maneuver we would have
clipped him. I'm sure the Cessna never saw us.
> Radar apologized profusely siting transponder recognition issues with
adjacent controlling agencies.
>
> I since have tested a "PCAS" Portable Collision Avoidance System that is
the size of a deck of cards. There are a couple of models of this type out
there and it seems to work quite well, this one for under $500. I am getting
one; I am also going to try a get funding to supply one for each of our
search aircraft.
> Cheap life insurance.
>
> Tom F.
> C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
>
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