---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/26/06: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Main Gear Clevis Failure (Moe) 2. 07:16 AM - Re: Main Gear Clevis Failure (mike floyd) 3. 08:33 AM - Truly earning your flight pay (css nico) 4. 01:08 PM - Palm Tree Airways Ltd (Barry Collman) 5. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Main Gear Clevis Failure (steve2) 6. 02:45 PM - Re: Palm Tree Airways Ltd (steve) 7. 03:23 PM - Re: Palm Tree Airways Ltd (Barry Collman) 8. 04:03 PM - Re: Palm Tree Airways Ltd (steve) 9. 04:12 PM - Palm Tree Airways Ltd (BobsV35B@aol.com) 10. 05:20 PM - Re: Palm Tree Airways Ltd () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:32 AM PST US From: "Moe" Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Main Gear Clevis Failure --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Gents, Think I missed something....what clevis is breaking? Moe N680RR 680F(p) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike floyd" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: Commander-List: RE: Main Gear Clevis Failure > --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" > > I have seen more than one failure of the clevis. If the mount holes are a > different size you probably have the clevis for the main cylinder. You also > want to look at the others and maybe get them magnafluxed. > > Mike > Commander NW > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:50 AM PST US From: "mike floyd" Subject: Commander-List: RE: Main Gear Clevis Failure --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" The clevis's that the main gear retract cylinders attach to on the top barrel of the main gear under the trunnion pins. The rod ends on the cylinder rams attach to them. Mike Commander NW ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:21 AM PST US From: "css nico" Subject: Commander-List: Truly earning your flight pay --> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" These guys had something to talk about after this... http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Movies/EarningFlightPay.wmv= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:41 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Guys, I'm currently getting a stack of photos catalogued on to my Commander photos database. One photograph is a shot of a Model 680, N6854S. This is serial number 368-54. I am unaware of the date or location. It has "Palm Tree Airways Ltd" titles on the forward fuselage, but it was never registered to such an operator. Question is, and I know it's a long shot, does anyone know of such an operator? Best Regards, Barry C (UK) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:01 PM PST US From: "steve2" Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Main Gear Clevis Failure --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" Thanks Mike, we're taking the gear out of the aircraft and rebuilding it this summer. Steve >> --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" >> >> I have seen more than one failure of the clevis. If the mount holes are a >> different size you probably have the clevis for the main cylinder. You > also >> want to look at the others and maybe get them magnafluxed. >> >> Mike >> Commander NW >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:46 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" Barry, I have my partner in Oz looking around as the Ltd could point in that direction. While poking around the net I came up with a copy of email correspondence (see below) between educators where one of them recommends a flight on Palm Tree Airways to Nunavut in Canada. >From tdonelly@binghamton.edu Wed Jan 15 03:53:16 2003 From: tdonelly@binghamton.edu (Nick Donnelly) Subject: [Odonata-l] Canadian geographic holes >The farming districts of southern Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta are >remarkably poorly covered. These may not be considered attractive areas, >but if you find yourself driving across the northern Great Plains, I >suggest you stop from time to time to see what you can find. I also suggest further collecting in the northern Rockies. The range maps of several transcontinental species (like Aeshna tuberculifera) might suggest a gap between eastern and western populations. I do not think there is a disjunction at all. I think this area is poorly collected. > If Walker had not spent a few weeks in horse and buggy in Manitoba, we > would have vastly fewer records. In a few very brief trips to Manitoba I > have been able to make additions. Think of what I could do in a week! Actually the territories above 60 degrees are pretty well covered, although I have not been able to find a single unambiguous record for Nunavut. The northern half of Quebec (Above Lakes Mistassini and Albenil) has essentially no records. But how do you get there? It is all muskeg and a few float planes taking fishermen in. And then, there's always Labrador . . .. The really poor northern coverage is in Alaska, which, in contrast to the Yukon and NWT, is almost completely unsurveyed. There are record clusters for Fairbanks and vicinity, Juneau and vicinity, and Anchorage and the Kenai. Beyond that squat. It is marginally more accessible than northern Quebec. You want to make some nice finds? Take Palm Airways into southeastern Nunavut, where there are airfields with scheduled service at small populated settlements and mining camps. Or drive to Flin Flon. You can tell the winter blues have settled in . . . ************************** * Nick Donnelly * * Binghamton, NY * * tdonelly@binghamton.edu * ************************** Steve G. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Guys, I'm currently getting a stack of photos catalogued on to my Commander photos database. One photograph is a shot of a Model 680, N6854S. This is serial number 368-54. I am unaware of the date or location. It has "Palm Tree Airways Ltd" titles on the forward fuselage, but it was never registered to such an operator. Question is, and I know it's a long shot, does anyone know of such an operator? Best Regards, Barry C (UK) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:09 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Steve, I think in Oz, it would probably have been "..... Pty Ltd", (Pty = Proprietary) but it's an interesting thought. I have a feeling that Canada might be nearer the truth, but "Palm Tree Airways Ltd" in Canada seems a bit incongruous! It did spend a while under ownership in Roswell, New Mexico between June 1972 & October 1974. Now Palm Trees in Roswell may not be so alien ;-) I have a gut feeling that the photo is of 1960's vintage, but that'll sure leave me wide open for error. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd | --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" | | Barry, | | I have my partner in Oz looking around as the Ltd could point in that | direction. While poking around the net I came up with a copy of email | correspondence (see below) between educators where one of them recommends a | flight on Palm Tree Airways to Nunavut in Canada. | | >From tdonelly@binghamton.edu Wed Jan 15 03:53:16 2003 | From: tdonelly@binghamton.edu (Nick Donnelly) | Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:53:16 -0500 | Subject: [Odonata-l] Canadian geographic holes | Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.1.20030114223608.00d58bb0@mail.binghamton.edu> | | >The farming districts of southern Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta are | >remarkably poorly covered. These may not be considered attractive areas, | >but if you find yourself driving across the northern Great Plains, I | >suggest you stop from time to time to see what you can find. | | I also suggest further collecting in the northern Rockies. The range maps | of several transcontinental species (like Aeshna tuberculifera) might | suggest a gap between eastern and western populations. I do not think | there is a disjunction at all. I think this area is poorly collected. | | > If Walker had not spent a few weeks in horse and buggy in Manitoba, we | > would have vastly fewer records. In a few very brief trips to Manitoba I | > have been able to make additions. Think of what I could do in a week! | | Actually the territories above 60 degrees are pretty well covered, although | I have not been able to find a single unambiguous record for Nunavut. The | northern half of Quebec (Above Lakes Mistassini and Albenil) has | essentially no records. But how do you get there? It is all muskeg and a | few float planes taking fishermen in. And then, there's always Labrador . . | . | | The really poor northern coverage is in Alaska, which, in contrast to the | Yukon and NWT, is almost completely unsurveyed. There are record clusters | for Fairbanks and vicinity, Juneau and vicinity, and Anchorage and the | Kenai. Beyond that squat. It is marginally more accessible than northern | Quebec. | | You want to make some nice finds? Take Palm Airways into southeastern | Nunavut, where there are airfields with scheduled service at small | populated settlements and mining camps. | | Or drive to Flin Flon. | | You can tell the winter blues have settled in . . . | | | | ************************** | * Nick Donnelly * | * Binghamton, NY * | * tdonelly@binghamton.edu * | ************************** | | Steve G. | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:07 PM | To: commander-list@matronics.com | Subject: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | | Hi Guys, | | I'm currently getting a stack of photos catalogued on to my Commander photos | | database. | | One photograph is a shot of a Model 680, N6854S. This is serial number | 368-54. I | am unaware of the date or location. | | It has "Palm Tree Airways Ltd" titles on the forward fuselage, but it was | never | registered to such an operator. | | Question is, and I know it's a long shot, does anyone know of such an | operator? | | Best Regards, | Barry C (UK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:33 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" Barry, You are most likely right. A quick check to the charts for Nunavut shows that the Magnetic North Pole is an hour or so away by piston flight. Pretty desolate yet ideal for a Commander. Palm Tree Airways would be an ideal tongue in cheek name for marketing awareness. The Eskimos would have a field day of jokes with that one. I will search more as idle time arises. Steve G -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" Hi Steve, I think in Oz, it would probably have been "..... Pty Ltd", (Pty = Proprietary) but it's an interesting thought. I have a feeling that Canada might be nearer the truth, but "Palm Tree Airways Ltd" in Canada seems a bit incongruous! It did spend a while under ownership in Roswell, New Mexico between June 1972 & October 1974. Now Palm Trees in Roswell may not be so alien ;-) I have a gut feeling that the photo is of 1960's vintage, but that'll sure leave me wide open for error. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd | --> Commander-List message posted by: "steve" | | Barry, | | I have my partner in Oz looking around as the Ltd could point in that | direction. While poking around the net I came up with a copy of email | correspondence (see below) between educators where one of them recommends a | flight on Palm Tree Airways to Nunavut in Canada. | | >From tdonelly@binghamton.edu Wed Jan 15 03:53:16 2003 | From: tdonelly@binghamton.edu (Nick Donnelly) | Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:53:16 -0500 | Subject: [Odonata-l] Canadian geographic holes | Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.1.20030114223608.00d58bb0@mail.binghamton.edu> | | >The farming districts of southern Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta are | >remarkably poorly covered. These may not be considered attractive areas, | >but if you find yourself driving across the northern Great Plains, I | >suggest you stop from time to time to see what you can find. | | I also suggest further collecting in the northern Rockies. The range maps | of several transcontinental species (like Aeshna tuberculifera) might | suggest a gap between eastern and western populations. I do not think | there is a disjunction at all. I think this area is poorly collected. | | > If Walker had not spent a few weeks in horse and buggy in Manitoba, we | > would have vastly fewer records. In a few very brief trips to Manitoba I | > have been able to make additions. Think of what I could do in a week! | | Actually the territories above 60 degrees are pretty well covered, although | I have not been able to find a single unambiguous record for Nunavut. The | northern half of Quebec (Above Lakes Mistassini and Albenil) has | essentially no records. But how do you get there? It is all muskeg and a | few float planes taking fishermen in. And then, there's always Labrador . .. | . | | The really poor northern coverage is in Alaska, which, in contrast to the | Yukon and NWT, is almost completely unsurveyed. There are record clusters | for Fairbanks and vicinity, Juneau and vicinity, and Anchorage and the | Kenai. Beyond that squat. It is marginally more accessible than northern | Quebec. | | You want to make some nice finds? Take Palm Airways into southeastern | Nunavut, where there are airfields with scheduled service at small | populated settlements and mining camps. | | Or drive to Flin Flon. | | You can tell the winter blues have settled in . . . | | | | ************************** | * Nick Donnelly * | * Binghamton, NY * | * tdonelly@binghamton.edu * | ************************** | | Steve G. | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:07 PM | To: commander-list@matronics.com | Subject: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd | | --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" | | | Hi Guys, | | I'm currently getting a stack of photos catalogued on to my Commander photos | | database. | | One photograph is a shot of a Model 680, N6854S. This is serial number | 368-54. I | am unaware of the date or location. | | It has "Palm Tree Airways Ltd" titles on the forward fuselage, but it was | never | registered to such an operator. | | Question is, and I know it's a long shot, does anyone know of such an | operator? | | Best Regards, | Barry C (UK) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:05 PM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com Good Evening Steve, For What It Is Worth, I have a vague memory of a D-18 Twin Beech at Oshkosh four or five years ago that was sporting a painting of a palm tree on it's side and had a name such as Palm Tree Airways. I am certain it was, or was going to be, based in Australia. Could have been in transit from Canada to Australia! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 4/26/2006 6:04:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, steveg@nternet.com writes: Barry, You are most likely right. A quick check to the charts for Nunavut shows that the Magnetic North Pole is an hour or so away by piston flight. Pretty desolate yet ideal for a Commander. Palm Tree Airways would be an ideal tongue in cheek name for marketing awareness. The Eskimos would have a field day of jokes with that one. I will search more as idle time arises. Steve G ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:41 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd --> Commander-List message posted by: G'day Sir Barry, I would be 99% certain that the Straight 680 is not an Ossie one. The Ltd category is available in Australia. What a great name for an airline...kind of sounds like it should have featured on an episode of Gilligan's Island...something the Millionaire & his wife might have flown around in! Best wishes from Oz Russell ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:07:10 +0100 >From: "Barry Collman" >Subject: Commander-List: Palm Tree Airways Ltd >To: > >--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" & lt;barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > >Hi Guys, > >I'm currently getting a stack of photos catalogued on to my Commander photos >database. > >One photograph is a shot of a Model 680, N6854S. This is serial number 368-54. I >am unaware of the date or location. > >It has "Palm Tree Airways Ltd" titles on the forward fuselage, but it was never >registered to such an operator. > >Question is, and I know it's a long shot, does anyone know of such an operator? > >Best Regards, >Barry C (UK) > > > > > ================ ================ ================ ================ > > > > > > > > >