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1. 01:17 AM - Re: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. (Robert S. Randazzo)
2. 05:15 AM - Re: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. (N395V)
3. 07:04 AM - Re: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. (BobsV35B@aol.com)
4. 07:21 AM - Re: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. (W J R HAMILTON)
5. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. (css nico)
6. 09:27 AM - Re: APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. (steve2)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: sighting for Barry (Tom Fisher)
8. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum (Alberto Shamah)
9. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum (Deneal Schilmeister (iMac))
10. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum (BertBerry1@aol.com)
11. 04:15 PM - Hoover (Jim Addington)
12. 06:08 PM - Re: sighting for Barry (MASON Chevaillier)
13. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum (Alberto Shamah)
14. 09:42 PM - Re: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum (Alberto Shamah)
15. 10:11 PM - Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] (Brock Lorber)
16. 11:31 PM - Official Commander-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
17. 11:31 PM - Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Old Bob-
Thank you- just ran all 56 pages out the printer.... I'm off to find a
comfortable chair to sit and read.
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 21:36
Subject: Commander-List: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends.
--> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
Good Evening Again Folks,
A few minutes ago I sent a message recommending that everyone go to the APS
website to easily access John Deakin's engine management articles that were
originally on AvWeb. I just checked to see if my advice was good and find
that they have realigned the website. John's articles are no longer on the
home page. You need to click on the TECH button then look for the blurb on
the lower left side of the page that has all of the pertinent Deakin
articles.
In a message dated 4/30/2006 10:48:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, Bobs V35B
writes:
Good Evening Rob and Brock,
May I suggest a short cut to John's articles and the course which he,
Walter Atkinson and George Braly provide in Ada, Oklahoma?
Try: _http://www.advancedpilot.com/_ (http://www.advancedpilot.com/)
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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| Subject: | Re: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
ROP/LOP is the equivalent to High Wing/Low Wing or Taildragger/Nosewheel when it
comes to never ending debate.
The difference heree is that Deakin and Braley have brought scientific data and
theory to the table to support LOP.
This, in my opinion, is especially important in the 520K engines given that you
are beating 435 HP out of 520 CID.
The two things LOP do in this situation are reduce temps EGT & CHT and reduce internal
pressure in the cylinder without a significant sacrifice of HP or speed.
Every mechanic I have ever talked to (save Braley/Deakin) has had a knee jerk negative
towards LOP and their justification is the MFG recommendations.
My own experience running 520 Continentals has been ROP=frequent jug replacement.
LOP= longer jug and cylinder life.
You are doing what is correct.... educate yourself and base your own decisions
on knowledge.
Many advised me not to buy a 685 as they recited a littany of problems and bad
flight characteristics of the 685. Not a single advice giver had ever seen one
much less flown one. But they all "heard" they were bad airplanes.
OWT is what they had been hearing.
Read the literature and decide for yourself. After all you will be buying the new
engines/jugs/etc. based on the decisions you make.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31989#31989
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| Subject: | Re: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
Good Morning Milt,
This is almost a dreaded 'Me Too' message, but I would like to add that all
engine manufacturers have always recommended lean side operations under
certain conditions.
The Church of Ada has brought such data to the forefront and supplemented it
with hard new data specifically oriented towards the style of engines we
operate.
I spent many thousands of hours carefully operating big round engines well
on the lean side of best power. The EGT gauge was not common or we would surely
have used it to help find the sweet spot.
I am convinced that every present day mechanic and pilot should study the
data presented and then decide how they want to operate the engine they are
associated with. The course is general enough such that aviation users of all
experiences can gain considerable knowledge.
Personally, I agree with Wolfgang on pitch and power, but I don't throw away
any hints from the other camp!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 5/1/2006 7:16:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,
n395v@hughes.net writes:
ROP/LOP is the equivalent to High Wing/Low Wing or Taildragger/Nosewheel
when it comes to never ending debate.
The difference here is that Deakin and Braly have brought scientific data
and theory to the table to support LOP.
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| Subject: | More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Rob,
It will be well worth the time, a lot of expertise in operating
piston engines seems to have gone missing in recent years, both in
the aviation community and in the manufacturers corner, with Pilot
Handbooks being written by lawyers.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 04:13 PM 1/05/2006, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo"
><rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
>
>Old Bob-
>
>Thank you- just ran all 56 pages out the printer.... I'm off to find a
>comfortable chair to sit and read.
>
>Rob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>BobsV35B@aol.com
>Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 21:36
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends.
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "css nico" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Good advice, Milt.
The same thing happens with Twin Comanches. Rumors say that it's a bastard
to land, but no one that told that story (to me at least) has ever owned or
flown one. I have owned and flown a Twin Comanche for long time and my
findings are that it wouldn't allow the pilot to doze off and expect the
plane to land itself - ala C 172. And I'm fine with that.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:14 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: More About APS Classes with J. Deakin and
friends.
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
>
> ROP/LOP is the equivalent to High Wing/Low Wing or Taildragger/Nosewheel
when it comes to never ending debate.
>
> The difference heree is that Deakin and Braley have brought scientific
data and theory to the table to support LOP.
>
> This, in my opinion, is especially important in the 520K engines given
that you are beating 435 HP out of 520 CID.
>
> The two things LOP do in this situation are reduce temps EGT & CHT and
reduce internal pressure in the cylinder without a significant sacrifice of
HP or speed.
>
> Every mechanic I have ever talked to (save Braley/Deakin) has had a knee
jerk negative towards LOP and their justification is the MFG
recommendations.
>
> My own experience running 520 Continentals has been ROP=frequent jug
replacement. LOP= longer jug and cylinder life.
>
> You are doing what is correct.... educate yourself and base your own
decisions on knowledge.
>
> Many advised me not to buy a 685 as they recited a littany of problems and
bad flight characteristics of the 685. Not a single advice giver had ever
seen one much less flown one. But they all "heard" they were bad airplanes.
>
> OWT is what they had been hearing.
>
> Read the literature and decide for yourself. After all you will be buying
the new engines/jugs/etc. based on the decisions you make.
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31989#31989
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "steve2" <steve2@sover.net>
Deakin's stuff is great.
We run our 500B LOP. We made it well past TBO on chrome cylinders. During
some parts of our season we need to maximize our time in the air. We've got
consumption down to about 21.5 gph 22/21 at something like 156 knots. 23/22
gives us about ten more knots more for only a couple gallons. Pretty
convincing to watch EGT's and CHT's rise then fall on the lean side.
One thing we have found is that on our installation the 'spread' between the
richest and leanest cylinder is pretty big and in the same cylinders on each
side. Number 1 is richest and has the smallest injector GAMI will give us,
and number 5 the leanest with the biggest injector GAMI has for our
installation. It's almost there but not perfect. We thought maybe it was
just the one engine, but the rebuild on the left is almost exactly the same.
Anybody else?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: APS Classes with J. Deakin and friends.
> --> Commander-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
>
> Good Evening Rob and Brock,
>
> May I suggest a short cut to John's articles and the course which he,
> Walter
> Atkinson and George Braly provide in Ada, Oklahoma?
>
> Try: _http://www.advancedpilot.com/_ (http://www.advancedpilot.com/)
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
>
> In a message dated 4/30/2006 10:42:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> blorber@southwestcirrus.com writes:
>
>>
> Rob:
>
> Go to AvWeb.com and search for "Pelican". Read till your eyes bleed. :)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: sighting for Barry |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
I am advised by my engineers that I need to obtain an Engine Parts Manual
for the IO-720, any spares around?
I always love the notes written in used manuals.
Tom F.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:54
Subject: Re: Commander-List: sighting for Barry
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
>
> 7 years on the list, and I have yet to hear a "happy story" involving the
> IO-720's. Has *anyone* made them run happily for any length of time?
>
> /J
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 6:07 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: sighting for Barry
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
<cschuerm@cox.net>
> >
> >
> >
> > Spoke to a new Commander owner last night. The 560F with the IO-720
> > conversions (N??KV) was purchased by a guy in Texas. Unfortunately,
> > when he got it home, his mechanic found a large crack in one of the
> > engines. Needless to say, he's quite disapointed having paid a premium
> > for such an airplane and will be down for some time.
> >
> > Chris
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| Subject: | Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Alberto Shamah" <ashamah@thassap.com>
Thank you.
=20
I am just beginning in the commander family. I am in the process of =
purchasing a 840.
=20
Regards
=20
Alberto
________________________________
De: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com en nombre de Barry Collman
Enviado el: Dom 04/30/2006 08:20 a.m.
Para: commander-list@matronics.com
Asunto: Re: Commander-List: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" =
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Alberto,
These are in my 'private' collection, built up over the last 40 years or =
so!
Perhaps one day, I'll get them all scanned!!
Any whiz-kids out there who can invent a 60-hour day?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alberto Shamah" <ashamah@thassap.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Alberto Shamah" =
<ashamah@thassap.com>
|
| Were can I see this pictures?
| =3D20
| Regards
| =3D20
| Alberto
|
| ________________________________
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| De: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com en nombre de Barry =
Collman
| Enviado el: Dom 04/30/2006 06:50 a.m.
| Para: commander-list@matronics.com
| Asunto: Re: Commander-List: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum
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|
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| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" =3D
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Scott,
|
| Thanks! Bert usually sends me anything he gets, but a check would not =
go =3D
| amiss.
|
| I'm currently updating my photos/slides/negatives database. Currently =
=3D
| comprises
| 9,029, but I think I've got a few more slides to do. This figure =
doesn't =3D
| include
| the digital images. There are quite a number of duplicate shots in =
that =3D
| figure
| though. One thing I must try to do is compile a 'hit list' of any =
serial =3D
| numbers
| for which I haven't got photographic coverage!
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Rockwell273" <scott@berrycommunications.net>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 4:36 AM
| Subject: Commander-List: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum
|
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| <scott@berrycommunications.net>
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|| Barry,
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|| It was my pleasure to go and get the pictures. Bert and I both share =
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| will try and post when I get some spare time. I am sure that you have =
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| collected the ones that I have, but just in case I will post them.
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|| Scott
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| Subject: | Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
On 5/1/06 4:40 PM, "Alberto Shamah" <ashamah@thassap.com> wrote:
> Thank you.
> =20
> I am just beginning in the commander family. I am in the process of =
> purchasing a 840.
> =20
> Regards
> =20
> Alberto
Alberto:
I assume from your domain that you are in Panama.
I used to fly Learjets in Panama every night for DHL in the late 1980s.
At that time, there were several Commander operators in Central America.
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
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| Subject: | Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
Alberto,
If your looking for the photos that Scott took on the Commander in Patterson,
here is the link for that.
Thanks,
Bert
http://www.berrycommunications.net/commander.htm
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I got this from our retired group.
A most interesting video.... Watch Bob Hoover pour ice tea into a
glass while performing an aileron roll. WOW
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQpVI_aldB0&search=aircraft
Jim Addington
N444BD
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| Subject: | Re: sighting for Barry |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala@msn.com>
tf, lycoming has a manual. call textron technical i will get you the
number. mason
>From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: sighting for Barry
>Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:23:06 -0700
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
><tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>
>I am advised by my engineers that I need to obtain an Engine Parts Manual
>for the IO-720, any spares around?
>I always love the notes written in used manuals.
>
>Tom F.
>C-GISS
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:54
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: sighting for Barry
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum"
><john@vormbaum.com>
> >
> > 7 years on the list, and I have yet to hear a "happy story" involving
>the
> > IO-720's. Has *anyone* made them run happily for any length of time?
> >
> > /J
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm@cox.net>
> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 6:07 AM
> > Subject: Commander-List: sighting for Barry
> >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
><cschuerm@cox.net>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Spoke to a new Commander owner last night. The 560F with the IO-720
> > > conversions (N??KV) was purchased by a guy in Texas. Unfortunately,
> > > when he got it home, his mechanic found a large crack in one of the
> > > engines. Needless to say, he's quite disapointed having paid a
>premium
> > > for such an airplane and will be down for some time.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Alberto Shamah" <ashamah@thassap.com>
Yes, I am based in Panama. We are now operating in what was until 1999 =
Albrook Airforce Base, now Aeropuerto Internacional Marcos A. Gelabert =
(MPMG).
=20
Well, right now there are no Turbo Commanders in Panama. That is one of =
the reasons I am a bit worried.
=20
Regards
=20
Alberto
________________________________
De: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com en nombre de Deneal =
Schilmeister (iMac)
Enviado el: Lun 05/01/2006 04:52 p.m.
Para: commander-list@matronics.com
Asunto: Re: Commander-List: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" =
<deneals@sbcglobal.net>
On 5/1/06 4:40 PM, "Alberto Shamah" <ashamah@thassap.com> wrote:
> Thank you.
> =3D20
> I am just beginning in the commander family. I am in the process of =
=3D
> purchasing a 840.
> =3D20
> Regards
> =3D20
> Alberto
Alberto:
I assume from your domain that you are in Panama.
I used to fly Learjets in Panama every night for DHL in the late 1980s.
At that time, there were several Commander operators in Central America.
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
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| Subject: | Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Alberto Shamah" <ashamah@thassap.com>
Thank you.
________________________________
De: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com en nombre de =
BertBerry1@aol.com
Enviado el: Lun 05/01/2006 04:57 p.m.
Para: commander-list@matronics.com
Asunto: Re: Commander-List: Re: US Air Force Commander conundrum
--> Commander-List message posted by: BertBerry1@aol.com
Alberto,
If your looking for the photos that Scott took on the Commander in =
Patterson,
here is the link for that.
Thanks,
Bert
http://www.berrycommunications.net/commander.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Brock Lorber <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
Jim Addington wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
>
>I got this from our retired group.
>
>A most interesting video.... Watch Bob Hoover pour ice tea into a
>glass while performing an aileron roll. WOW
>
>
>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQpVI_aldB0&search=aircraft
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Y'all can do this with N400CH. Any time you want. All you have to do
is pry the yoke out of my cold, dead hands.
BTW: I never show up underarmed.
Brock
http://www.southwestcirrus.com/n400ch/
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| Subject: | Official Commander-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Commander-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Commander-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Commander-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Commander-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Commander-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Commander-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Commander-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Commander-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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