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1. 09:59 AM - Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] (Barry Collman)
2. 10:12 AM - IO-720 Parts Manual (Tom Fisher)
3. 10:29 AM - Matt - Another Email returned as spam (Tom Fisher)
4. 10:54 AM - Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] (Barry Collman)
5. 07:43 PM - Re: Matt - Another Email returned as spam (Matt Dralle)
6. 08:00 PM - Re: Matt - Another Email returned as spam (Tom Fisher)
7. 09:42 PM - Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] (BillLeff1@aol.com)
8. 09:53 PM - Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] (BillLeff1@aol.com)
9. 09:55 PM - Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] (BillLeff1@aol.com)
10. 10:22 PM - Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] (Deneal Schilmeister (Portege))
Message 1
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi All,
680FLP-1527-24, CF-SNL, N700KC, N222AD, N400CH has an interesting piece of not
exactly trivia!
When it returned from Canada in March 1968, a telegram from Aero Commander to
DoT Canada quoted the aircraft's unit number quite clearly as "-29" and that
number, instead of the correct "-24" has been used in paperwork ever since!!
If the current owner is willing to photograph the serial number plate for me,
I'll be VERY interested in seeing a copy.
With regard to Cassano's Pizza, I can find Cassano Enterprises Inc., in Dayton
on my database.
They purchased 680-505-175, N6348U, on November 12th 1969, jointly with Sandy's
Woodman Drive Inc. On February 3rd 1970, an Application for Registration changed
Sandy's Woodman Drive Inc to Kettle Concepts Inc. The aircraft was sold on
December 16th 1971.
On the previous day, Cassano Enterprises Inc. had purchased Model 680FL, s/n
1640-121. It was sold April 18th 1979.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <BillLeff1@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hoover [bcc][faked-from]
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| Too late! I did it in 1976 when N400CH was N222AD.
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| By the way, that aircraft has a neat history of hauling celebrities while it
| was owned by AVCO Broadcasting and was was used to support the Phil Donahue
| show, in it's early days, in Dayton, Ohio.
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| My employer purchased it from AVCO and Dick Wartinger and I (yes, I
| physicaly did a lot of the work. Since we had nothing to fly) converted it to
the Mr.
| RPM at his shop (Then Dayton Aviation) and it was the first conversion done
| outside of Dick McCoon's shop. I flew it with both types of engines. It was
a
| great airplane.
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| Bill Leff
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| Subject: | IO-720 Parts Manual |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Hello all,
I am looking for a Parts Manual for the IO-720's, does anyone have a copy
that I may have?
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
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| Subject: | Matt - Another Email returned as spam |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi again!
I made an error when posting my last message.
Instead of "When it returned from Canada in March 1968", I should have stated
"When exported to Canada in July 1965".
So, apologies for that.
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hoover [bcc][faked-from]
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
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| Hi All,
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| 680FLP-1527-24, CF-SNL, N700KC, N222AD, N400CH has an interesting piece of not
| exactly trivia!
|
| When it returned from Canada in March 1968, a telegram from Aero Commander to
| DoT Canada quoted the aircraft's unit number quite clearly as "-29" and that
| number, instead of the correct "-24" has been used in paperwork ever since!!
|
| If the current owner is willing to photograph the serial number plate for me,
| I'll be VERY interested in seeing a copy.
|
| With regard to Cassano's Pizza, I can find Cassano Enterprises Inc., in Dayton
| on my database.
|
| They purchased 680-505-175, N6348U, on November 12th 1969, jointly with
Sandy's
| Woodman Drive Inc. On February 3rd 1970, an Application for Registration
changed
| Sandy's Woodman Drive Inc to Kettle Concepts Inc. The aircraft was sold on
| December 16th 1971.
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| On the previous day, Cassano Enterprises Inc. had purchased Model 680FL, s/n
| 1640-121. It was sold April 18th 1979.
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| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
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| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <BillLeff1@aol.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:49 PM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hoover [bcc][faked-from]
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|| --> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com
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|| Too late! I did it in 1976 when N400CH was N222AD.
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|| By the way, that aircraft has a neat history of hauling celebrities while it
|| was owned by AVCO Broadcasting and was was used to support the Phil Donahue
|| show, in it's early days, in Dayton, Ohio.
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|| My employer purchased it from AVCO and Dick Wartinger and I (yes, I
|| physicaly did a lot of the work. Since we had nothing to fly) converted it to
| the Mr.
|| RPM at his shop (Then Dayton Aviation) and it was the first conversion done
|| outside of Dick McCoon's shop. I flew it with both types of engines. It was
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| Subject: | Re: Matt - Another Email returned as spam |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Ah, this has some useful nuggets of information. I am noting from the message
below that this is actually coming from "cperry@subictel.com" email server. It
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Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Re: Matt - Another Email returned as spam |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Matt, who are you directing that they contact their ISP?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 19:41
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Matt - Another Email returned as spam
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> Ah, this has some useful nuggets of information. I am noting from the
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com
Cassano's Pizza operated a 680FL N6509V. The Pilots name was Guy Douglas.
Rob Reider, a regular on The Ruth Lyons Show is my air show announcer.
Ex N580M? Which 580M? The 560F or the 681? Frank Woods Sr. was a regular at
our shop.
Bill Leff
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com
Berry, N6348U was the first Commander I ever flew (1971). Guy Douglas was
Cassono's Pilot and took me along to go pick up N700KC (the second commander I
ever flew) for some maintenance.
The last time I saw N6509V s/n 1640-121 it was hauling freight. It had a bad
lightning strike while Cassano's had it and last time I saw it the repair
for the entry point was still there, a #10 screw and a faring washer below the
pilots window. They had to change both engines and props and the vertical fin
cap (which blew off!)
Bill Leff
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| Subject: | Re: Hoover [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com
That is wright. Another division of AVCO flew it for about 1000 hours before
it was transferred to WLW.
Bill
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| Subject: | Hoover [bcc][faked-from] |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>
I flew with Frank a lot. In fact I met you once when Frank and I visited
with you (at least I think it was you) you worked at State Farm.
I flew with him on the 560F, 681 690A and his P Baron. I also flew his IFR
Super Cub, (at the time 580LM) and crewed the balloon.
Browse my picture site and you'll see many pictures of my adventures with
Frank. He was my mentor, responsible for my aviation interests and career.
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/PhotoAlbum7.html
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/PhotoAlbum9.html
Btw his widow, Mary, passed away last March.
Frank's son doesn't fly himself, but owns a C750 to get around in.
I operated a 690A for a brief time (N80LP), and Dick did our work when he
was in Xenia.
Rob Reider was a friend of a friend who used to fly Learjets for me in the
early 80s. Rob played at my friends wedding, if memory serves me correctly.
The friend unfortunately perished in a Learjet accident in Newark in 1983.
PS if you look at my pictures and see a Commander 112, its one I rented once
from Fliteways, 1215J was based at MGY or whatever they call that airport
now.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/
-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of BillLeff1@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:42 PM
--> Commander-List message posted by: BillLeff1@aol.com
Cassano's Pizza operated a 680FL N6509V. The Pilots name was Guy Douglas.
Rob Reider, a regular on The Ruth Lyons Show is my air show announcer.
Ex N580M? Which 580M? The 560F or the 681? Frank Woods Sr. was a regular
at our shop.
Bill Leff
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