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1. 03:31 AM - Re: Any thoughts on FLAPS? (Barry Collman)
2. 06:42 AM - Re: Any thoughts on FLAPS? (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
3. 03:07 PM - Re: Any thoughts on FLAPS? (Bill Bow)
4. 04:36 PM - Re: Any thoughts on FLAPS? (Robert S. Randazzo)
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| Subject: | Re: Any thoughts on FLAPS? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi All,
I've flown with an Iguana. Beat that!!!!!
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any thoughts on FLAPS?
| --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
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| My German Short Haired Pointer (75 Lbs.) has the bench seat to himself.
| I operate at gross weight all the time from 3500' sea level runways.
| I lighten my nose wheel at 80 mph and rotate at 105 mph with 10 deg. flaps.
| Tom F.
| C-GISS 680 FLP (Mr.RPM)
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| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <STOLHorse@aol.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 21:27
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any thoughts on FLAPS?
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| > --> Commander-List message posted by: STOLHorse@aol.com
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| > John,
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| > You've exposed my hypocrisy already!
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| > Actually, Bermuda Dunes is the shortest runway I've gone to but the
| airplane
| > does just fine. I don't fly out of there heavy in the middle of the
| > afternoon, though. I always plan the heavy departures for early morning
| but I have
| > left there lightly loaded in 105 degrees. It's still not as scary as
| flying
| > heavy 747-100's out of Ramstein on a hot afternoon!
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| > I'm sure most of you can appreciate the load hauling capability of
| > Commanders, But I have to tell you what my "normal load" is when I go to
| Bermuda Dunes:
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| > Two dogs,
| > Two cats,
| > Two women,
| > Two kids,
| > and Me.
| > Plus enough fuel to go 650 miles with reserves. Oh yeah, and I'm not
| > talking about two lap dogs -- one is a Labrador and the other is a Great
| Dane.
| > Luckily, they are good buddies.
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| > I need help.
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| > David Maytag
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| Subject: | Any thoughts on FLAPS? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
I have been enjoying the discussion about flap settings on take-off, and
short vs long runways at high and hot airports. Just want to share my
experiences in my 680F. I have routinely been using 10 degrees of flaps for
takeoff, with rotation at 80 kts, initial climb at 100 kts, and cruise climb
(after about 800 feet asl) at 140 kts and 1000 fpm. Doesn't seem to change
whether light or at gross weight (8,000 lbs)...always the same 140 kts and
1,000 fpm. If the air temp isn't too hot, I will take off with cowl flaps
in trail (about half open)...desn't seem to affect climb performance, but
would probably make a difference on one engine. I remember coming out of
Carson City and Las Vegas at near gross weight (7 persons and lots of
baggage) in summer with air temps well above 90...airplane jumped off the
runway and performed as if it was wintertime. Of course, those runways have
plenty of length and flat land around if one engine quits.
Thanks for the good discussions
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any thoughts on FLAPS?
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher"
<tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
My German Short Haired Pointer (75 Lbs.) has the bench seat to himself.
I operate at gross weight all the time from 3500' sea level runways.
I lighten my nose wheel at 80 mph and rotate at 105 mph with 10 deg. flaps.
Tom F.
C-GISS 680 FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: <STOLHorse@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 21:27
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any thoughts on FLAPS?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: STOLHorse@aol.com
>
> John,
>
> You've exposed my hypocrisy already!
>
> Actually, Bermuda Dunes is the shortest runway I've gone to but the
airplane
> does just fine. I don't fly out of there heavy in the middle of the
> afternoon, though. I always plan the heavy departures for early morning
but I have
> left there lightly loaded in 105 degrees. It's still not as scary as
flying
> heavy 747-100's out of Ramstein on a hot afternoon!
>
> I'm sure most of you can appreciate the load hauling capability of
> Commanders, But I have to tell you what my "normal load" is when I go to
Bermuda Dunes:
>
> Two dogs,
> Two cats,
> Two women,
> Two kids,
> and Me.
> Plus enough fuel to go 650 miles with reserves. Oh yeah, and I'm not
> talking about two lap dogs -- one is a Labrador and the other is a Great
Dane.
> Luckily, they are good buddies.
>
> I need help.
>
> David Maytag
>
>
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| Subject: | Any thoughts on FLAPS? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Seeing your grandmother naked is not as scary as taking off in a heavy
747-100 on a hot afternoon, anywhere!
bilbo
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
STOLHorse@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any thoughts on FLAPS?
--> Commander-List message posted by: STOLHorse@aol.com
John,
You've exposed my hypocrisy already!
Actually, Bermuda Dunes is the shortest runway I've gone to but the
airplane
does just fine. I don't fly out of there heavy in the middle of the
afternoon, though. I always plan the heavy departures for early morning
but I have
left there lightly loaded in 105 degrees. It's still not as scary as
flying
heavy 747-100's out of Ramstein on a hot afternoon!
I'm sure most of you can appreciate the load hauling capability of
Commanders, But I have to tell you what my "normal load" is when I go to
Bermuda Dunes:
Two dogs,
Two cats,
Two women,
Two kids,
and Me.
Plus enough fuel to go 650 miles with reserves. Oh yeah, and I'm not
talking about two lap dogs -- one is a Labrador and the other is a Great
Dane.
Luckily, they are good buddies.
I need help.
David Maytag
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| Subject: | Any thoughts on FLAPS? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
How about mother's in law?
Gimme that 747-100.....
Robert Randazzo
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 15:06
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Any thoughts on FLAPS?
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow"
--> <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Seeing your grandmother naked is not as scary as taking off in a heavy
747-100 on a hot afternoon, anywhere!
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
STOLHorse@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Any thoughts on FLAPS?
--> Commander-List message posted by: STOLHorse@aol.com
John,
You've exposed my hypocrisy already!
Actually, Bermuda Dunes is the shortest runway I've gone to but the airplane
does just fine. I don't fly out of there heavy in the middle of the
afternoon, though. I always plan the heavy departures for early morning
but I have
left there lightly loaded in 105 degrees. It's still not as scary as
flying heavy 747-100's out of Ramstein on a hot afternoon!
I'm sure most of you can appreciate the load hauling capability of
Commanders, But I have to tell you what my "normal load" is when I go to
Bermuda Dunes:
Two dogs,
Two cats,
Two women,
Two kids,
and Me.
Plus enough fuel to go 650 miles with reserves. Oh yeah, and I'm not
talking about two lap dogs -- one is a Labrador and the other is a Great
Dane.
Luckily, they are good buddies.
I need help.
David Maytag
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