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1. 09:53 AM - Gratitude (Barry Hancock)
2. 10:42 AM - Re: Gratitude (John Vormbaum)
3. 08:33 PM - EBay 680FL N4998E-SN1739-141 (Tylor Hall)
4. 08:48 PM - Re: EBay 680FL N4998E-SN1739-141 (BobsV35B@aol.com)
5. 09:32 PM - Re: EBay 680FL N4998E-SN1739-141 (Tylor Hall)
6. 11:07 PM - Re: EBay 680FL N4998E-SN1739-141 (CloudCraft@aol.com)
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
At the urging of several people, I have decided to post this. It is
a patriotic post only loosely related to aviation....
++++++++
Recently, I watched with much interest and trepidation the NBC
Dateline 2 hour special on Operation Anaconda -a major offensive in
Afghanistan in 2002 (I apologize in advance for any typos, etc.). I
was admittedly worried that this piece would have the usual left wing
agenda of magnifying failures of our armed forces and minimizing the
successes. While mistakes were made and 7 Special Forces soldiers
died (6 fighting to recover the body of the first) during the "Rescue
on Roberts Ridge," it was a story of heroic valor and distinction
that is at the very core of what makes this nation great. It is a
story of human beings with families, some of which will go the rest
of their lives here on earth without seeing their husband, brother,
dad, or son again because they died fighting for me, for you, for them.
I have always felt an extreme level of appreciation and gratitude for
our men and women of the armed forces who have stood in harms way to
protect divine freedoms and privileges given this great country.
While reflecting on the sacrifice of grunts on the ground and airmen
alike - and the families they've left - to do a duty not because they
were forced to do it, but because they felt obligated to serve a
righteous cause, I am, without fail, filled with emotions. Emotions
such as thankfulness for their sacrifice and professional discipline,
awe at their courage, pride in my association as a fellow american,
and even a bit of jealousy and humility that I did not take the
opportunity to serve and give back to my great nation as they have.
I'm a sucker for the National Anthem or a missing man fly-by.
As I sat there tonight watching Stone Phillips narrate the story of
the soldiers and airmen that got unwittingly dropped into a meat
grinder on a remote mountain top, I could feel their fear, their
anger, their desperation as things turned from bad to worse, and
their sorrow of watching the guys they had grown closest to get hit
and die right before their eyes. Most importantly I saw their honor
and commitment to their creed of letting no fallen solider end up in
the hands of the enemy - a creed that distinguishes the American
soldier and embodies what makes this nation great.
In the end, tears rolled down my cheeks at the sight of stars and
stripes draped caskets being taken from transport planes and put into
hearses. I wept at the dignity and pride evident in the eyes and
words of Captain Nathan Self's wife, even when her husband still
struggles to find peace and accept that his is a hero. I smiled at
the wisdom of Specialist Oscar Escano's willingness to use his
experience to motivate him to fulfill his life's dream of becoming a
doctor so that his fallen comrades sacrifice would not be in vain.
The story was not what I had feared, it was what I would have hoped
it could have been.
We did not ask for this war on terror, just as we have not asked for
the vast majorities of conflicts we've engage in over the past two
and a quarter centuries. All we ask for in the long run is a place
to bury our dead. The seven men who gave the ultimate sacrifice for
my freedoms, and yours, were thankfully returned home to rest in the
soil they died to protect.
Ultimately, my heart was filled with joy, pride, and gratitude for
the uncommon dedication and service that these men, and countless
other men and women have made over the last 200+ years that allow me
to sit here tonight and freely express my feelings. The preceding
sentence describes many of you I'm sending this to...and for those it
doesn't describe, like myself, I hope you feel as I do - for without
their willingness to fight and die for our country - for us - the
simple freedoms afforded by our divinely inspired constitution would
cease to exist.
I am grateful for a balanced story on a not so balanced network. I am
grateful to be an American. I am grateful for the the American
soldier...the few who have given so much to so many.
Barry
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
I watched the Dateline special as well, and feel the same. I was overcome
when I saw our men leave the downed chopper, and under heavy fire, assume an
assault formation and move TOWARDS the enemy. It is a testament to their
training, dedication and trust in each other that they were able to maneuver
under those circumstances. I am grateful that Americans such as those are
out at the sharp end, protecting us.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Gratitude
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> At the urging of several people, I have decided to post this. It is a
> patriotic post only loosely related to aviation....
>
> ++++++++
>
> Recently, I watched with much interest and trepidation the NBC Dateline 2
> hour special on Operation Anaconda -a major offensive in Afghanistan in
> 2002 (I apologize in advance for any typos, etc.). I was admittedly
> worried that this piece would have the usual left wing agenda of
> magnifying failures of our armed forces and minimizing the successes.
> While mistakes were made and 7 Special Forces soldiers died (6 fighting
> to recover the body of the first) during the "Rescue on Roberts Ridge,"
> it was a story of heroic valor and distinction that is at the very core
> of what makes this nation great. It is a story of human beings with
> families, some of which will go the rest of their lives here on earth
> without seeing their husband, brother, dad, or son again because they
> died fighting for me, for you, for them.
>
> I have always felt an extreme level of appreciation and gratitude for our
> men and women of the armed forces who have stood in harms way to protect
> divine freedoms and privileges given this great country. While
> reflecting on the sacrifice of grunts on the ground and airmen alike -
> and the families they've left - to do a duty not because they were forced
> to do it, but because they felt obligated to serve a righteous cause, I
> am, without fail, filled with emotions. Emotions such as thankfulness
> for their sacrifice and professional discipline, awe at their courage,
> pride in my association as a fellow american, and even a bit of jealousy
> and humility that I did not take the opportunity to serve and give back
> to my great nation as they have. I'm a sucker for the National Anthem or
> a missing man fly-by.
>
> As I sat there tonight watching Stone Phillips narrate the story of the
> soldiers and airmen that got unwittingly dropped into a meat grinder on a
> remote mountain top, I could feel their fear, their anger, their
> desperation as things turned from bad to worse, and their sorrow of
> watching the guys they had grown closest to get hit and die right before
> their eyes. Most importantly I saw their honor and commitment to their
> creed of letting no fallen solider end up in the hands of the enemy - a
> creed that distinguishes the American soldier and embodies what makes
> this nation great.
>
> In the end, tears rolled down my cheeks at the sight of stars and stripes
> draped caskets being taken from transport planes and put into hearses. I
> wept at the dignity and pride evident in the eyes and words of Captain
> Nathan Self's wife, even when her husband still struggles to find peace
> and accept that his is a hero. I smiled at the wisdom of Specialist
> Oscar Escano's willingness to use his experience to motivate him to
> fulfill his life's dream of becoming a doctor so that his fallen comrades
> sacrifice would not be in vain. The story was not what I had feared, it
> was what I would have hoped it could have been.
>
> We did not ask for this war on terror, just as we have not asked for the
> vast majorities of conflicts we've engage in over the past two and a
> quarter centuries. All we ask for in the long run is a place to bury our
> dead. The seven men who gave the ultimate sacrifice for my freedoms, and
> yours, were thankfully returned home to rest in the soil they died to
> protect.
>
> Ultimately, my heart was filled with joy, pride, and gratitude for the
> uncommon dedication and service that these men, and countless other men
> and women have made over the last 200+ years that allow me to sit here
> tonight and freely express my feelings. The preceding sentence describes
> many of you I'm sending this to...and for those it doesn't describe, like
> myself, I hope you feel as I do - for without their willingness to fight
> and die for our country - for us - the simple freedoms afforded by our
> divinely inspired constitution would cease to exist.
>
> I am grateful for a balanced story on a not so balanced network. I am
> grateful to be an American. I am grateful for the the American
> soldier...the few who have given so much to so many.
>
> Barry
>
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| Subject: | EBay 680FL N4998E-SN1739-141 |
--> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
this twin Commander is on Ebay.
It appears that it lost several cylinders after only 141 hours SMOH.
It appears that it is current Lic. It would take a overhauled engine.
How does a cylinder separate at the top of the piston travel?
See notes.
Tylor Hall
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| Subject: | Re: EBay 680FL N4998E-SN1739-141 |
Good Evening Tylor,
A cylinder head splitting at the top of the piston travel is not at all
unusual. That is also the top of the threads on the steel cylinder barrel where
it screws into the aluminum head.
Any idea if the cylinders had been rebarreled?
If the engine encountered detonation that could cause the head to split at
that point. Detonation could be caused by (among other things) too low a fuel
flow at takeoff power or bad ignition timing.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 6/16/2006 10:34:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,
tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net writes:
How does a cylinder separate at the top of the piston travel?
See notes.
Tylor Hall
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| Subject: | Re: EBay 680FL N4998E-SN1739-141 |
Bob,
At the bottom of the Ebay listing are some questions and answers.
They talk about replacing 3 cylinders just before loosing the #4.
The engine was overhauled in 2000 with only 146.3 hours.
This engine has the Simmons fuel flow controller on it. I wonder if
this might be the cause of the problem?
There is not much the pilot can due other than control MP with the
throttle.
But if it is too lean on takeoff?
I hope someone can get a deal on that aircraft.
Tylor Hall
On Jun 16, 2006, at 9:48 PM, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
> Good Evening Tylor,
>
> A cylinder head splitting at the top of the piston travel is not at
> all unusual. That is also the top of the threads on the steel
> cylinder barrel where it screws into the aluminum head.
>
> Any idea if the cylinders had been rebarreled?
>
> If the engine encountered detonation that could cause the head to
> split at that point. Detonation could be caused by (among other
> things) too low a fuel flow at takeoff power or bad ignition timing.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
> In a message dated 6/16/2006 10:34:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net writes:
> How does a cylinder separate at the top of the piston travel?
> See notes.
>
> Tylor Hall
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| Subject: | Re: EBay 680FL N4998E-SN1739-141 |
In a message dated 16-Jun-06 21:33:10 Pacific Daylight Time,
tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net writes:
This engine has the Simmons fuel flow controller on it. I wonder if this
might be the cause of the problem?
There is not much the pilot can due other than control MP with the throttle.
But if it is too lean on takeoff?
Anything is possible, but I can't recall a Simmonds providing too lean a
mixture. Usually it's too rich and the engine "fogs" smoke at idle / low power
settings.
To remedy this the pilot can lean (too much) in climb or cruise.
But let's not forget that the IGSO-540 can be over-boosted beyond its redline
of 47" MAP.
Old Bob has a point about where cylinders fail.
Don't know about buying an airplane on eBay, but I did come across some very
cool Commander memorabilia on there after looking at the airplane in question.
There's a set of martini glasses that should be a must-have item, except for
the red neck Commander owners who drink any/everything out of a Styrofoam cup
left over from last week's stop at the Circle K.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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