---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/10/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:09 AM - Re: FLY-IN DATE (Robert S. Randazzo) 2. 09:28 AM - Re: FLY-IN DATE (John Vormbaum) 3. 01:47 PM - Re: Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilots (Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)) 4. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilots (nico css) 5. 02:39 PM - comms check (Bruce Campbell) 6. 02:45 PM - Re: comms check (nico css) 7. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilots (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 8. 05:14 PM - Fw: [iam_habib] Aeroplane Wallpapers (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 9. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilots (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:52 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: FLY-IN DATE --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" John- If you attend Reno- (and any other commanders) we should make arrangements for you to stop by the south end of the field and see our AC685 restoration.... They keep telling me she'll be done by then- but I doubt it. ;-) Robert Randazzo -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 23:53 --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" --> Hi JB, The OCT dates would work fine for me. I will probably attend the Reno air races, so I'd hope the fly in isn't that weekend. /J ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:17 PM > --> Commander-List message posted by: swperk@earthlink.net > > Hi JB, > > I have already arranged time off based on the originally proposed dates > (September 22nd through the 24th). If a change is going to be made, I'll > need as much advance notice as possible to try to get coverage. > > For the record, a week earlier won't work for me, but two weeks later > (which I am assuming will be October 6th through the 8th) would be the > best alternative for me. > > Regards, > Stan > N681SP > > -----Original Message----- >>From: YOURTCFG@aol.com >>Sent: Jul 9, 2006 7:55 PM >>To: commander-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Commander-List: FLY-IN DATE >> >>HI KIDS. >> >> It has come to my attention that several prominent attendees of >> past >>flyins will not be able to make this years event because of the current >>date. I am asking those on the list , who plan to attend this years >>event, if >>there is a preference fore an alterative date, possibly a week earlier >>(conflicts with the Reno Air Races) or two weeks later, the first week of >>Oct?? I >>know that not everyone can always attend these things and conflicts will >>always >>arise, still, if moving it to one of these dates will not adversely >>effect >>anyone else, It would help several others. Your thoughts. jb > > > __________ NOD32 1.1651 (20060708) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1651 (20060708) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > __________ NOD32 1.1652 (20060710) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:41 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN DATE --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Robert, I'd love to see your airplane. Unfortunately I'll be parking my airplane at RNO. Wish I could fly directly into Stead... /J ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:08 AM > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" > > > John- > > If you attend Reno- (and any other commanders) we should make arrangements > for you to stop by the south end of the field and see our AC685 > restoration.... > > They keep telling me she'll be done by then- but I doubt it. ;-) > > Robert Randazzo > > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 23:53 > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" > --> > > Hi JB, > > The OCT dates would work fine for me. I will probably attend the Reno air > races, so I'd hope the fly in isn't that weekend. > > /J > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:17 PM > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: swperk@earthlink.net >> >> Hi JB, >> >> I have already arranged time off based on the originally proposed dates >> (September 22nd through the 24th). If a change is going to be made, I'll >> need as much advance notice as possible to try to get coverage. >> >> For the record, a week earlier won't work for me, but two weeks later >> (which I am assuming will be October 6th through the 8th) would be the >> best alternative for me. >> >> Regards, >> Stan >> N681SP >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: YOURTCFG@aol.com >>>Sent: Jul 9, 2006 7:55 PM >>>To: commander-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Commander-List: FLY-IN DATE >>> >>>HI KIDS. >>> >>> It has come to my attention that several prominent attendees of >>> past >>>flyins will not be able to make this years event because of the current >>>date. I am asking those on the list , who plan to attend this years >>>event, if >>>there is a preference fore an alterative date, possibly a week earlier >>>(conflicts with the Reno Air Races) or two weeks later, the first week >>>of > >>>Oct?? I >>>know that not everyone can always attend these things and conflicts will >>>always >>>arise, still, if moving it to one of these dates will not adversely >>>effect >>>anyone else, It would help several others. Your thoughts. jb >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1651 (20060708) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1651 (20060708) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > > __________ NOD32 1.1652 (20060710) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1652 (20060710) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1652 (20060710) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:06 PM PST US From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" Subject: Commander-List: Re: Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilots A three part story is currently appearing in the Miami Herald about accidents involving operators of cargo aircraft in the type of operations I was involved in for a long time. Click =B3 Interactive | View copies of government crash reports, a photo gallery and listen to firsthand interviews=B2 (under the picture of the MU2) to see the complete report. There are three pages devoted to the MU2 including an audio interview with the widow of the Epps accident pilot. > > Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilotsIn the sky over Idaho in icy > weather, the Cessna 208B's wings began to flutter, and pilot Fred Villanu eva, > a Vietnam War veteran, could not hold them. The wings moved ''side to sid e,'' > a witness said, and then the nose dropped -- classic signs of icing. > The full article will be available on the Web for a limited time: > http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/15005235.htm > > (c) 2006 MiamiHerald.com and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:02 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilots Very interesting. There are many Commanders doing night-time cargo runs, but we don't see them drop out of the sky with comparably qualified/experienced pilots. Doesn't that say something to aircraft designers (Hello Cessna, the C208 is a recent development) that they can avoid making catastrophic design errors? About the Caravan: wouldn't it be cheaper to install an ice detection system on top of the wing, or install a pulsating pump that would cycle the boots at pre-set intervals, so the pilot can go on with his work without worrying about monitoring ice accretion? Just wanna know. Nico _____ [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister (iMac) Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:45 PM pilots A three part story is currently appearing in the Miami Herald about accidents involving operators of cargo aircraft in the type of operations I was involved in for a long time. Click " Interactive | View copies of government crash reports, a photo gallery and listen to firsthand interviews" (under the picture of the MU2) to see the complete report. There are three pages devoted to the MU2 including an audio interview with the widow of the Epps accident pilot. Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilotsIn the sky over Idaho in icy weather, the Cessna 208B's wings began to flutter, and pilot Fred Villanueva, a Vietnam War veteran, could not hold them. The wings moved ''side to side,'' a witness said, and then the nose dropped -- classic signs of icing. The full article will be available on the Web for a limited time: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/15005235.htm (c) 2006 MiamiHerald.com and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:27 PM PST US From: "Bruce Campbell" Subject: Commander-List: comms check Am I On the air? Bruce Campbell N4186B ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:05 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: comms check Yup. 5x5. _____ [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Campbell Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:39 PM Am I On the air? Bruce Campbell N4186B ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:14 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilots Flew Commanders for "Central Air Southwest", most of the Commanders here have 15,000 ish TT hours and fly all weather day & night cargo. Centrals 30+ Commanders have the TKS System installed. I can personally testify these Commanders go thru just about anything. Hit the TKS switch in hard IFR/ICING conditions and your left with an ice free aircraft, if that doesn't work flip the doubling switch for twice the pumping power of alcohol and literally plow through the ice filled conditions with an ice clear airframe. Iceing boots work too, but most of the cargo pilots I've talked to say they work sometimes...and if the boots don't work or work partially you'll find yourself flying sideways. " J.T. has done an immpecable job of making an already safe aircraft even safer! " Maybe some cargo operators should take notice at what JT has done... -------------- Original message -------------- Very interesting. There are many Commanders doing night-time cargo runs, but we dont see them drop out of the sky with comparably qualified/experienced pilots. Doesnt that say something to aircraft designers (Hello Cessna, the C208 is a recent development) that they can avoid making catastrophic design errors? About the Caravan: wouldnt it be cheaper to install an ice detection system on top of the wing, or install a pulsating pump that would cycle the boots at pre-set intervals, so the pilot can go on with his work without worrying about monitoring ice accretion? Just wanna know. Nico Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:45 PM A three part story is currently appearing in the Miami Herald about accidents involving operators of cargo aircraft in the type of operations I was involved in for a long time. Click Interactive | View copies of government crash reports, a photo gallery and listen to firsthand interviews (under the picture of the MU2) to see the complete report. There are three pages devoted to the MU2 including an audio interview with the widow of the Epps accident pilot. Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilotsIn the sky over Idaho in icy weather, the Cessna 208B's wings began to flutter, and pilot Fred Villanueva, a Vietnam War veteran, could not hold them. The wings moved ''side to side,'' a witness said, and then the nose dropped -- classic signs of icing. The full article will be available on the Web for a limited time: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/15005235.htm (c) 2006 MiamiHerald.com and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
Flew Commanders for "Central Air Southwest", most of the Commanders here have 15,000 ish TT hours and fly all weather day & night cargo.  Centrals 30+ Commanders have the TKS System installed.  I can personally testify these Commanders go thru just about anything.  Hit the TKS switch in hard IFR/ICING conditions and your left with an ice free aircraft,  if that doesn't work flip the doubling switch for twice the pumping power of alcohol and literally plow through the ice filled conditions with an ice clear airframe. Iceing boots work too, but most of the cargo pilots I've talked to say they work sometimes...and if the boots don't work or work partially you'll find yourself flying sideways.
 
" J.T. has done an immpecable job of making an already safe aircraft even safer! "
 
Maybe some cargo operators should take notice at what JT has done...
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>

Very interesting. There are many Commanders doing night-time cargo runs, but we dont see them drop out of the sky with comparably qualified/experienced pilots. Doesnt that say something to aircraft designers (Hello Cessna, the C208 is a recent development) that they can avoid making catastrophic design errors?

About the Caravan: wouldnt it be cheaper to install an ice detection system on top of the wing, or install a pulsating pump that would cycle the boots at pre-set intervals, so the pilot can go on with his work without worrying about monitoring ice accretion? Just wanna know.

Nico

 

 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:45 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilots

 

A three part story is currently appearing in the Miami Herald about accidents involving operators of cargo aircraft in the type of operations I was involved in for a long time.  

Click Interactive | View copies of government crash reports, a photo gallery and listen to firsthand interviews (under the picture of the MU2) to see the complete report.  There are three pages devoted to the MU2 including an audio interview with the widow of the Epps accident pilot.


Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilotsIn the sky over Idaho in icy weather, the Cessna 208B's wings began to flutter, and pilot Fred Villanueva, a Vietnam War veteran, could not hold them. The wings moved ''side to side,'' a witness said, and then the nose dropped -- classic signs of icing.
The full article will be available on the Web for a limited time:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/15005235.htm

(c) 2006 MiamiHerald.com and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.



 
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri   USA

http://homepage.mac.com/deneals

________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:20 PM PST US From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" Subject: Commander-List: Fw: [iam_habib] Aeroplane Wallpapers ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:08 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Don't just search. Find. MSN Search Check out the new MSN Search! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Feet ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "iam_habib" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: iam_habib-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- __,_._,___ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:07 PM PST US From: YOURTCFG@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Probes of cargo crashes often pin blame on pilots In a message dated 7/10/2006 3:27:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, skyhawkc-172@comcast.net writes: Maybe some cargo operators should take notice at what JT has done... AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!! jb