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1. 06:04 AM - Help with loose alternator (Tommy Mathieu)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: Help with loose alternator (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
3. 09:30 AM - Re: Help with loose alternator (nico css)
4. 10:23 AM - Re: Help with loose alternator (Tom Fisher)
5. 10:36 AM - Autopilots for the 520 (Bruce Campbell)
6. 10:45 AM - Re: Autopilots for the 520 (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
7. 01:39 PM - TG-WIZ (BertBerry1@aol.com)
8. 02:05 PM - Re: TG-WIZ (David Owens)
9. 03:28 PM - Gust Lock (Donnie Rose)
10. 03:32 PM - Re: Gust Lock (CloudCraft@aol.com)
11. 03:43 PM - Re: Gust Lock (Bill Bow)
12. 03:54 PM - Re: Gust Lock (mike floyd)
13. 04:01 PM - Re: Gust Lock (John Vormbaum)
14. 04:06 PM - Re: Gust Lock (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
15. 04:09 PM - Re: Gust Lock (Tylor Hall)
16. 04:44 PM - Re: Gust Lock (John Vormbaum)
17. 04:57 PM - Re: Gust Lock (nico css)
18. 05:16 PM - Re: Gust Lock (Nancy Gilliam)
19. 05:47 PM - Re: Gust Lock (nico css)
20. 06:27 PM - Re: Gust Lock (Nancy Gilliam)
21. 06:31 PM - Re: Gust Lock (Gary Wilson)
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| Subject: | Help with loose alternator |
I own a 500 Shrike and I have an alternator problem. My right alternator
keeps coming loose after about 3-5 hours of flight. We have tightened this
atleast twice. Anyone have any suggestions as to what is causing this. The
alternator is a rebuilt unit with the exception of the outer casing (might
have worn bolt holes?). We also need a rebuilt attitude indicator. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Tommy
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| Subject: | Re: Help with loose alternator |
tm, please forward your phone number I have just replaced one on my
680. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Tommy Mathieu<mailto:tmathieu@msn.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Help with loose alternator
I own a 500 Shrike and I have an alternator problem. My right
alternator keeps coming loose after about 3-5 hours of flight. We have
tightened this atleast twice. Anyone have any suggestions as to what is
causing this. The alternator is a rebuilt unit with the exception of the
outer casing (might have worn bolt holes?). We also need a rebuilt
attitude indicator. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Tommy
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| Subject: | Help with loose alternator |
As a general statement, when an alternator comes lose without apparent
cause, your first suspect should be a failing bearing causing excessive
vibration. If that's the case and it's not dealt with asap, the commentator
might eventually rub against the outer coils (generator terms, might not
apply to alternators but what the heck) and eventually rip the unit from its
mountings in flight. A bench test would show whether there is vibration.
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Mathieu
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:00 AM
I own a 500 Shrike and I have an alternator problem. My right alternator
keeps coming loose after about 3-5 hours of flight. We have tightened this
atleast twice. Anyone have any suggestions as to what is causing this. The
alternator is a rebuilt unit with the exception of the outer casing (might
have worn bolt holes?). We also need a rebuilt attitude indicator. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Tommy
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| Subject: | Re: Help with loose alternator |
I was flying a Baron which has direct drive to the alternator, when that
alternator seized it was pushed out of the engine case breaking the case
and pouring all the oil out quickly, flew to destination on the other
engine.
Small problems can lead to big ones in a hurry.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help with loose alternator
As a general statement, when an alternator comes lose without apparent
cause, your first suspect should be a failing bearing causing excessive
vibration. If that's the case and it's not dealt with asap, the
commentator might eventually rub against the outer coils (generator
terms, might not apply to alternators but what the heck) and eventually
rip the unit from its mountings in flight. A bench test would show
whether there is vibration.
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Mathieu
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:00 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Help with loose alternator
I own a 500 Shrike and I have an alternator problem. My right
alternator keeps coming loose after about 3-5 hours of flight. We have
tightened this atleast twice. Anyone have any suggestions as to what is
causing this. The alternator is a rebuilt unit with the exception of the
outer casing (might have worn bolt holes?). We also need a rebuilt
attitude indicator. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Tommy
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| Subject: | Autopilots for the 520 |
Other than the Brittain, does anyone know an autopilot approved for the
520 (this includes field approval)?
Bruce Campbell
N4186B AC52
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilots for the 520 |
You may want to talk with Auto-pilot Central in Tulsa. They have a complete
list of auto-pilots for all aircraft. I had inquired about a system for my
680. Gil
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: TGWIZ Make/Model: AC68 Description: 680F, 680FP
Commander 680F/680FP
Date: 07/17/2006 Time: 1545
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: DES MOINES State: IA Country: US
DESCRIPTION
TGWIZ, GUATEMALAN REGISTRY ACFT, ON TAKEOFF ROLL, LOST ENGINE POWER, RAN
OFF THE SIDE OF THE RUNWAY, TAXIED BACK, BRAKES CAUGHT FIRE, DESMOINES, IA
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: FEW150 WIND 230011
OTHER DATA
Departed: DES MOINES, IA Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: HOUSTON, TX Flt Plan: Wx Briefing:
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: DES MOINES, IA (CE01) Entry date: 07/18/2006
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Poor guy, must have not been able to use his nose steering...
----- Original Message -----
From: BertBerry1@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:38 PM
Subject: Commander-List: TG-WIZ
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: TGWIZ Make/Model: AC68 Description: 680F, 680FP
Commander 680F/680FP
Date: 07/17/2006 Time: 1545
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N
Missing: N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: DES MOINES State: IA Country: US
DESCRIPTION
TGWIZ, GUATEMALAN REGISTRY ACFT, ON TAKEOFF ROLL, LOST ENGINE POWER,
RAN
OFF THE SIDE OF THE RUNWAY, TAXIED BACK, BRAKES CAUGHT FIRE,
DESMOINES, IA
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
WEATHER: FEW150 WIND 230011
OTHER DATA
Departed: DES MOINES, IA Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: HOUSTON, TX Flt Plan: Wx
Briefing:
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: DES MOINES, IA (CE01) Entry date:
07/18/2006
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99@yahoo.com>
Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
Yes!
It's not too expensive a system, either.
Sit down. Before you buckle your seat belt, press on the rudder peddals.
If they do not move, get up, exit, remove gust lock.
Return to cockpit.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
Put a long bungee on it that hooks to the door handle. Take it off before
you open the door.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:27 PM
--> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99@yahoo.com>
Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
Sporty's has a Remove Before Flight key chain. Works well on the control
yoke.
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Or, you could use MY method, which is better exercise and uses avgas at
the same time!
1) preflight
2) strap in, start engine
3) THEN press on pedals
4) shut down engine
5) exit airplane & remove gust lock
6) repeat step 2.
You'd think I've outgrown that by now, but I still do that once a year,
without fail.
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
Yes!
It's not too expensive a system, either.
Sit down. Before you buckle your seat belt, press on the rudder
peddals.
If they do not move, get up, exit, remove gust lock.
Return to cockpit.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
When I was transitioning into my 680F, I forget the gust lock. My
instructor knew that I had forgotten it, and let me start the engines and
get ready to taxi, when I realized that the rudders were rigid...oops. Had
to shut down, go out and remove the gust lock. I've never forgotten since.
Randy Dettmer,
680F / N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of mike floyd
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:54 PM
--> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
Sporty's has a Remove Before Flight key chain. Works well on the control
yoke.
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
JimBob has a check list item
"Put Rubber Chicken under back seat"
as the first item on his check list.
Tylor Hall
:)
On Jul 18, 2006, at 4:53 PM, mike floyd wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd"
> <floydgm@hotmail.com>
>
> Sporty's has a Remove Before Flight key chain. Works well on the
> control yoke.
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Yeah, but not just *any* pilot can qualify for a rubber chicken.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:10 PM
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall
> <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>
> JimBob has a check list item
> "Put Rubber Chicken under back seat"
> as the first item on his check list.
> Tylor Hall
> :)
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 4:53 PM, mike floyd wrote:
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Sporty's has a Remove Before Flight key chain. Works well on the control
>> yoke.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
You have to have blown the gust-lock off at least once on take-off before
the rubber chicken is earned.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:44 PM
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Yeah, but not just *any* pilot can qualify for a rubber chicken.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:10 PM
> --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall
> <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>
> JimBob has a check list item
> "Put Rubber Chicken under back seat"
> as the first item on his check list.
> Tylor Hall
> :)
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 4:53 PM, mike floyd wrote:
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Sporty's has a Remove Before Flight key chain. Works well on the control
>> yoke.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
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>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636@hotmail.com>
Hello out there,
I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else having this
problem??
Roland Gilliam
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
>aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
>Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
>to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
>Yes!
>
>It's not too expensive a system, either.
>
>Sit down. Before you buckle your seat belt, press on the rudder peddals.
>
>If they do not move, get up, exit, remove gust lock.
>
>Return to cockpit.
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
_________________________________________________________________
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Well, you get one for Nancy and one for Roland. Doesn't that make sense?
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
Gilliam
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:16 PM
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636@hotmail.com>
Hello out there,
I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else having this
problem??
Roland Gilliam
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
>aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
>Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
>to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
>Yes!
>
>It's not too expensive a system, either.
>
>Sit down. Before you buckle your seat belt, press on the rudder peddals.
>
>If they do not move, get up, exit, remove gust lock.
>
>Return to cockpit.
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
_________________________________________________________________
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636@hotmail.com>
Guess so,
We got a new address ( Without my input ) so my name is not on the
address. Just like a woman.
do not archive.
Roland
>From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:47:12 -0700
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
>Well, you get one for Nancy and one for Roland. Doesn't that make sense?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
>Gilliam
>Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:16 PM
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636@hotmail.com>
>
>Hello out there,
>
>I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else having this
>problem??
>
>Roland Gilliam
>
>
> >From: CloudCraft@aol.com
> >To: commander-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
> >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
> >aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
> >Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
> >to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
> >Yes!
> >
> >It's not too expensive a system, either.
> >
> >Sit down. Before you buckle your seat belt, press on the rudder peddals.
> >
> >If they do not move, get up, exit, remove gust lock.
> >
> >Return to cockpit.
> >
> >Wing Commander Gordon
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
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no, its a communist plot by microsoft
Nancy Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com> wrote: --> Commander-List message posted by:
"Nancy Gilliam"
Hello out there,
I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else having this
problem??
Roland Gilliam
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
>aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
>Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
>to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
>Yes!
>
>It's not too expensive a system, either.
>
>Sit down. Before you buckle your seat belt, press on the rudder peddals.
>
>If they do not move, get up, exit, remove gust lock.
>
>Return to cockpit.
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
_________________________________________________________________
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