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1. 05:21 AM - Re: Part numbers (CloudCraft@aol.com)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Autopilots for the 520 (Chris Schuermann)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Part numbers (Moe)
4. 07:18 AM - Re: Part numbers (Barry Collman)
5. 07:31 AM - Re: Part numbers (cloudcraft@aol.com)
6. 07:32 AM - Re: Part numbers (cloudcraft@aol.com)
7. 07:58 AM - Re: Part numbers (Tom Fisher)
8. 08:56 AM - Re: Part numbers (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
9. 08:57 AM - Re: Part numbers (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
10. 12:16 PM - Re: Part numbers (Barry Collman)
11. 05:48 PM - Re: Part numbers (Tom Fisher)
12. 06:13 PM - Re: Part numbers (Tom Fisher)
13. 06:14 PM - Re: Part numbers (Tom Fisher)
14. 08:32 PM - Autopilots: Some news... (Robert S. Randazzo)
15. 09:54 PM - Re: Part numbers (W J R HAMILTON)
16. 10:27 PM - Re: Autopilots: Some news... (Robert S. Randazzo)
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In a message dated 19-Jul-06 20:25:05 Pacific Daylight Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
On the subject of nacelles, has anyone laminated a (removable) thin
stainless steel shield on the top of the nacelle just behind the exhaust
outlets?
Tom,
Not heard of a laminated, removable exhaust shield, but have heard of an all
out replacement of the top nacelle skin with stainless.
Wing Commander Gordon
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--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm@cox.net>
Bruce Campbell wrote:
> Other than the Brittain, does anyone know an autopilot approved for the
> 520 (this includes field approval)?
Bruce,
There is a 520 around with a new S-Tec installed, but I can't remember
who has it.
Chris
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Wing Commander:
Any idea who has the stainless skin, or do we have our mechanics do it?
My nacelles are getting pretty ragged, and this sounds just great!
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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From: CloudCraft@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
In a message dated 19-Jul-06 20:25:05 Pacific Daylight Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
On the subject of nacelles, has anyone laminated a (removable) thin
stainless steel shield on the top of the nacelle just behind the
exhaust
outlets?
Tom,
Not heard of a laminated, removable exhaust shield, but have heard of
an all out replacement of the top nacelle skin with stainless.
Wing Commander Gordon
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Hi Tom,
I was interested to read that your 680FLP, s/n 1497-15, C-GISS, has
auxiliary fuel in the baggage compartment. I understand that such a tank
was offered as an optional extra on a new airplane, but the factory
paperwork didn't reflect that it was accomplished at the factory for
your example. It was an auxiliary system comprising 67 gallons in total,
65 of which was usable. The factory drawing would have been No. 6630214,
released June 10th 1964 and was substantiated by Aero Commander Report
No. APP60-087, dated August 12th 1964.
It is, I suppose, possible such a tank was also offered under an STC,
but I haven't found any details.
I have researched the records held for s/n 1497 at the FAA Records
Center in Oklahoma City and found nothing to substantiate the
installation of your tank. However, those records obviously do not
include any paperwork originated while the aircraft was under Canadian
registry. As it has been so-registered for over 20 years, could the tank
have been installed in Canada? I don't know, but would imagine that if
it was a factory option, it would be a fairly simple process to get such
a modification effected.
The auxiliary nose tank is very interesting. I have not found any
paperwork at all relating to such a modification. If you are able to
send me some photographs, I can run this past some of my contacts, who
worked for Aero Commander's R&D guys at Norman, Oklahoma.
Incidentally, I'm hoping that records you have may tell me when a
Chamberlain 2001K-B nose radome was installed (STC SA265EA) and when
this was removed and replaced by a Chamberlain 3066X one (STC SA458EA).
I know that a 'Miller' nose was installed under SA585SW on May 29th
1974.
As if that isn't enough, can you also confirm the exact model propellers
installed (hub & blade)?
Your help will, naturally, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Part numbers
Gentlemen,
I am in the middle of an annual and would like to determine the
availability and price the following items for various components;
- For the nose gear retract servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Nose gear steering servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Hydraulic shut-off valve (LH nacelle);
O-ring x 2 - 0309-216
- Uplock activator springs;
2713103-1 x 2
- Wastegate assembly; 45044-29
- I do not yet have the part numbers for the Ray Jay turbo chargers
but would still like to know if the Inlet and Outlet hoses are
available.
My aircraft also has auxiliary nose and baggage fuel transfer tanks, I
have not come across any STC information or drawings for this
installation.
Does anyone have or know where the drawings may be obtained?
Thanks in advance.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
they all belong to "Pro-Privatize the US ATC System" and "Pro-User
Fees" groups now!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Gust Lock
Aahh, but to return to those simpler days of commie plots..Where
have all the pinkeos gone.
bb
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:31 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
no, its a communist plot by microsoft
Nancy Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Hello out there,
I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else having
this
problem??
Roland Gilliam
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
>aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
>Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
>to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
>Yes!
>
>It's not too expensive a system, either.
>
>Sit down. Before you buckle your
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Sir Barry,
I was hoping you were monitoring this topic.
I few a 680-F(P) with a "saddle tank" that increased the center tank quantity,
but from Tom's description, I thought the baggage area was tanked.
The nose tank fascinates me -- largely because of the Center of Gravity havoc
it would cause.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
I was interested to read that your 680FLP, s/n 1497-15, C-GISS, has auxiliary
fuel in the baggage compartment. I understand that such a tank was offered
as an optional extra on a new airplane, but the factory paperwork didn't reflect
that it was accomplished at the factory for your example. It was an auxiliary
system comprising 67 gallons in total, 65 of which was usable. The factory
drawing would have been No. 6630214, released June 10th 1964 and was substantiated
by Aero Commander Report No. APP60-087, dated August 12th 1964.
The auxiliary nose tank is very interesting. I have not found any paperwork at
all relating to such a modification. If you are able to send me some photographs,
I can run this past some of my contacts, who worked for Aero Commander's
R&D guys at Norman, Oklahoma.
________________________________________________________________________
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Moe,
This is one of the (many) "Call Morris" answers.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: moe@rosspistons.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
Wing Commander: Any idea who has the stainless skin, or do we have our mechanics
do it? My nacelles are getting pretty ragged, and this sounds just great!
Moe N680RR 680F(p) ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:19 AM Subject:
Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
In a message dated 19-Jul-06 20:25:05 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca
writes: On the subject of nacelles, has anyone laminated a (removable)
thin
stainless steel shield on the top of the nacelle just behind the exhaust
outlets? Tom, Not heard of a laminated, removable exhaust shield, but have heard
of an all out replacement of the top nacelle skin with stainless. Wing
Commander Gordon
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The nose tank takes up the entire area exposed when the top nose cover
is removed.
I holds 22USG and is a "transfer" tank only. I have a switch and a
light on the panel, there is no gauge at all. The procedure is to turn
on the (marine) transfer pump for 35 mins. and that fuel will transfer
to the centre tank.
The baggage transfer tank is set up in the same manner. It is located
just behind the rear pressure bulkhead on the baggage floor and holds
45USG. The transfer pump takes 55 mins. to transfer the fuel to the
centre tank.
All of this gives this aircraft an endurance of 7 hours, the log book
shows every single entry is greater than 6 hours day after day after
day.
I will take some images of the tanks and try the new ability to Email
them to this site.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
Hi Tom,
I was interested to read that your 680FLP, s/n 1497-15, C-GISS, has
auxiliary fuel in the baggage compartment. I understand that such a tank
was offered as an optional extra on a new airplane, but the factory
paperwork didn't reflect that it was accomplished at the factory for
your example. It was an auxiliary system comprising 67 gallons in total,
65 of which was usable. The factory drawing would have been No. 6630214,
released June 10th 1964 and was substantiated by Aero Commander Report
No. APP60-087, dated August 12th 1964.
It is, I suppose, possible such a tank was also offered under an STC,
but I haven't found any details.
I have researched the records held for s/n 1497 at the FAA Records
Center in Oklahoma City and found nothing to substantiate the
installation of your tank. However, those records obviously do not
include any paperwork originated while the aircraft was under Canadian
registry. As it has been so-registered for over 20 years, could the tank
have been installed in Canada? I don't know, but would imagine that if
it was a factory option, it would be a fairly simple process to get such
a modification effected.
The auxiliary nose tank is very interesting. I have not found any
paperwork at all relating to such a modification. If you are able to
send me some photographs, I can run this past some of my contacts, who
worked for Aero Commander's R&D guys at Norman, Oklahoma.
Incidentally, I'm hoping that records you have may tell me when a
Chamberlain 2001K-B nose radome was installed (STC SA265EA) and when
this was removed and replaced by a Chamberlain 3066X one (STC SA458EA).
I know that a 'Miller' nose was installed under SA585SW on May 29th
1974.
As if that isn't enough, can you also confirm the exact model
propellers installed (hub & blade)?
Your help will, naturally, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Part numbers
Gentlemen,
I am in the middle of an annual and would like to determine the
availability and price the following items for various components;
- For the nose gear retract servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Nose gear steering servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Hydraulic shut-off valve (LH nacelle);
O-ring x 2 - 0309-216
- Uplock activator springs;
2713103-1 x 2
- Wastegate assembly; 45044-29
- I do not yet have the part numbers for the Ray Jay turbo chargers
but would still like to know if the Inlet and Outlet hoses are
available.
My aircraft also has auxiliary nose and baggage fuel transfer tanks,
I have not come across any STC information or drawings for this
installation.
Does anyone have or know where the drawings may be obtained?
Thanks in advance.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
they all belong to "Pro-Privatize the US ATC System" and "Pro-User
Fees" groups now!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Gust Lock
Aahh, but to return to those simpler days of commie plots..Where
have all the pinkeos gone.
bb
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:31 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
no, its a communist plot by microsoft
Nancy Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam"
Hello out there,
I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else
having this
problem??
Roland Gilliam
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
>aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
>Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
>to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
>Yes!
>
>It's not too expensive a system, either.
>
>Sit down. Before you buckle your
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wcg, ditto for 2001M. mason
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From: Moe<mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
Wing Commander:
Any idea who has the stainless skin, or do we have our mechanics do
it? My nacelles are getting pretty ragged, and this sounds just great!
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft@aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft@aol.com>
To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
In a message dated 19-Jul-06 20:25:05 Pacific Daylight Time,
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
writes:
On the subject of nacelles, has anyone laminated a (removable)
thin
stainless steel shield on the top of the nacelle just behind the
exhaust
outlets?
Tom,
Not heard of a laminated, removable exhaust shield, but have heard
of an all out replacement of the top nacelle skin with stainless.
Wing Commander Gordon
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tf, is there an aux pump and exit for your bladder? mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
The nose tank takes up the entire area exposed when the top nose cover
is removed.
I holds 22USG and is a "transfer" tank only. I have a switch and a
light on the panel, there is no gauge at all. The procedure is to turn
on the (marine) transfer pump for 35 mins. and that fuel will transfer
to the centre tank.
The baggage transfer tank is set up in the same manner. It is located
just behind the rear pressure bulkhead on the baggage floor and holds
45USG. The transfer pump takes 55 mins. to transfer the fuel to the
centre tank.
All of this gives this aircraft an endurance of 7 hours, the log book
shows every single entry is greater than 6 hours day after day after
day.
I will take some images of the tanks and try the new ability to Email
them to this site.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
Hi Tom,
I was interested to read that your 680FLP, s/n 1497-15, C-GISS, has
auxiliary fuel in the baggage compartment. I understand that such a tank
was offered as an optional extra on a new airplane, but the factory
paperwork didn't reflect that it was accomplished at the factory for
your example. It was an auxiliary system comprising 67 gallons in total,
65 of which was usable. The factory drawing would have been No. 6630214,
released June 10th 1964 and was substantiated by Aero Commander Report
No. APP60-087, dated August 12th 1964.
It is, I suppose, possible such a tank was also offered under an
STC, but I haven't found any details.
I have researched the records held for s/n 1497 at the FAA Records
Center in Oklahoma City and found nothing to substantiate the
installation of your tank. However, those records obviously do not
include any paperwork originated while the aircraft was under Canadian
registry. As it has been so-registered for over 20 years, could the tank
have been installed in Canada? I don't know, but would imagine that if
it was a factory option, it would be a fairly simple process to get such
a modification effected.
The auxiliary nose tank is very interesting. I have not found any
paperwork at all relating to such a modification. If you are able to
send me some photographs, I can run this past some of my contacts, who
worked for Aero Commander's R&D guys at Norman, Oklahoma.
Incidentally, I'm hoping that records you have may tell me when a
Chamberlain 2001K-B nose radome was installed (STC SA265EA) and when
this was removed and replaced by a Chamberlain 3066X one (STC SA458EA).
I know that a 'Miller' nose was installed under SA585SW on May 29th
1974.
As if that isn't enough, can you also confirm the exact model
propellers installed (hub & blade)?
Your help will, naturally, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Part numbers
Gentlemen,
I am in the middle of an annual and would like to determine the
availability and price the following items for various components;
- For the nose gear retract servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Nose gear steering servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Hydraulic shut-off valve (LH nacelle);
O-ring x 2 - 0309-216
- Uplock activator springs;
2713103-1 x 2
- Wastegate assembly; 45044-29
- I do not yet have the part numbers for the Ray Jay turbo
chargers but would still like to know if the Inlet and Outlet hoses are
available.
My aircraft also has auxiliary nose and baggage fuel transfer
tanks, I have not come across any STC information or drawings for this
installation.
Does anyone have or know where the drawings may be obtained?
Thanks in advance.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum<mailto:john@vormbaum.com>
To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
they all belong to "Pro-Privatize the US ATC System" and
"Pro-User Fees" groups now!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow<mailto:bowing74@earthlink.net>
To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Gust Lock
Aahh, but to return to those simpler days of commie
plots..Where have all the pinkeos gone.
bb
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ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Gary Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:31 PM
To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
no, its a communist plot by microsoft
Nancy Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam"
Hello out there,
I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else
having this
problem??
Roland Gilliam
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
>aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
>Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
>to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
>Yes!
>
>It's not too expensive a system, either.
>
>Sit down. Before you buckle your
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Hi Tom,
Well, every day is a school day!
22 gallons weighs about 150 pounds, yes? Wing Commander Gordon may have
some input on the Weight & Balance perspective, I hope.
I'm pretty sure that the factory auxiliary baggage tank was connected to
the main center fuel tank through the two multibolt fittings where the
fuel sump and the fuel quantity transmitter were located. I don't think
it was necessary to pump fuel to the center tank, the two acted like one
tank.
I'll certainly look forward to seeing the pictures!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
The nose tank takes up the entire area exposed when the top nose cover
is removed.
I holds 22USG and is a "transfer" tank only. I have a switch and a
light on the panel, there is no gauge at all. The procedure is to turn
on the (marine) transfer pump for 35 mins. and that fuel will transfer
to the centre tank.
The baggage transfer tank is set up in the same manner. It is located
just behind the rear pressure bulkhead on the baggage floor and holds
45USG. The transfer pump takes 55 mins. to transfer the fuel to the
centre tank.
All of this gives this aircraft an endurance of 7 hours, the log book
shows every single entry is greater than 6 hours day after day after
day.
I will take some images of the tanks and try the new ability to Email
them to this site.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
Hi Tom,
I was interested to read that your 680FLP, s/n 1497-15, C-GISS, has
auxiliary fuel in the baggage compartment. I understand that such a tank
was offered as an optional extra on a new airplane, but the factory
paperwork didn't reflect that it was accomplished at the factory for
your example. It was an auxiliary system comprising 67 gallons in total,
65 of which was usable. The factory drawing would have been No. 6630214,
released June 10th 1964 and was substantiated by Aero Commander Report
No. APP60-087, dated August 12th 1964.
It is, I suppose, possible such a tank was also offered under an
STC, but I haven't found any details.
I have researched the records held for s/n 1497 at the FAA Records
Center in Oklahoma City and found nothing to substantiate the
installation of your tank. However, those records obviously do not
include any paperwork originated while the aircraft was under Canadian
registry. As it has been so-registered for over 20 years, could the tank
have been installed in Canada? I don't know, but would imagine that if
it was a factory option, it would be a fairly simple process to get such
a modification effected.
The auxiliary nose tank is very interesting. I have not found any
paperwork at all relating to such a modification. If you are able to
send me some photographs, I can run this past some of my contacts, who
worked for Aero Commander's R&D guys at Norman, Oklahoma.
Incidentally, I'm hoping that records you have may tell me when a
Chamberlain 2001K-B nose radome was installed (STC SA265EA) and when
this was removed and replaced by a Chamberlain 3066X one (STC SA458EA).
I know that a 'Miller' nose was installed under SA585SW on May 29th
1974.
As if that isn't enough, can you also confirm the exact model
propellers installed (hub & blade)?
Your help will, naturally, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Part numbers
Gentlemen,
I am in the middle of an annual and would like to determine the
availability and price the following items for various components;
- For the nose gear retract servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Nose gear steering servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Hydraulic shut-off valve (LH nacelle);
O-ring x 2 - 0309-216
- Uplock activator springs;
2713103-1 x 2
- Wastegate assembly; 45044-29
- I do not yet have the part numbers for the Ray Jay turbo
chargers but would still like to know if the Inlet and Outlet hoses are
available.
My aircraft also has auxiliary nose and baggage fuel transfer
tanks, I have not come across any STC information or drawings for this
installation.
Does anyone have or know where the drawings may be obtained?
Thanks in advance.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
they all belong to "Pro-Privatize the US ATC System" and
"Pro-User Fees" groups now!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Gust Lock
Aahh, but to return to those simpler days of commie
plots..Where have all the pinkeos gone.
bb
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:31 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
no, its a communist plot by microsoft
Nancy Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam"
Hello out there,
I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else
having this
problem??
Roland Gilliam
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
>aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
>Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
>to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
>Yes!
>
>It's not too expensive a system, either.
>
>Sit down. Before you buckle your
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I'm not sure if I got this right.
First I thought your Email was a joke in reference to the seven hours of
duration, so I laughed, but then I thought you might be asking a valid
question.
So, funny if it was a joke, more detail if it was a question.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
tf, is there an aux pump and exit for your bladder? mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
The nose tank takes up the entire area exposed when the top nose
cover is removed.
I holds 22USG and is a "transfer" tank only. I have a switch and a
light on the panel, there is no gauge at all. The procedure is to turn
on the (marine) transfer pump for 35 mins. and that fuel will transfer
to the centre tank.
The baggage transfer tank is set up in the same manner. It is
located just behind the rear pressure bulkhead on the baggage floor and
holds 45USG. The transfer pump takes 55 mins. to transfer the fuel to
the centre tank.
All of this gives this aircraft an endurance of 7 hours, the log
book shows every single entry is greater than 6 hours day after day
after day.
I will take some images of the tanks and try the new ability to
Email them to this site.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
Hi Tom,
I was interested to read that your 680FLP, s/n 1497-15, C-GISS,
has auxiliary fuel in the baggage compartment. I understand that such a
tank was offered as an optional extra on a new airplane, but the factory
paperwork didn't reflect that it was accomplished at the factory for
your example. It was an auxiliary system comprising 67 gallons in total,
65 of which was usable. The factory drawing would have been No. 6630214,
released June 10th 1964 and was substantiated by Aero Commander Report
No. APP60-087, dated August 12th 1964.
It is, I suppose, possible such a tank was also offered under an
STC, but I haven't found any details.
I have researched the records held for s/n 1497 at the FAA Records
Center in Oklahoma City and found nothing to substantiate the
installation of your tank. However, those records obviously do not
include any paperwork originated while the aircraft was under Canadian
registry. As it has been so-registered for over 20 years, could the tank
have been installed in Canada? I don't know, but would imagine that if
it was a factory option, it would be a fairly simple process to get such
a modification effected.
The auxiliary nose tank is very interesting. I have not found any
paperwork at all relating to such a modification. If you are able to
send me some photographs, I can run this past some of my contacts, who
worked for Aero Commander's R&D guys at Norman, Oklahoma.
Incidentally, I'm hoping that records you have may tell me when a
Chamberlain 2001K-B nose radome was installed (STC SA265EA) and when
this was removed and replaced by a Chamberlain 3066X one (STC SA458EA).
I know that a 'Miller' nose was installed under SA585SW on May 29th
1974.
As if that isn't enough, can you also confirm the exact model
propellers installed (hub & blade)?
Your help will, naturally, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Part numbers
Gentlemen,
I am in the middle of an annual and would like to determine the
availability and price the following items for various components;
- For the nose gear retract servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Nose gear steering servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Hydraulic shut-off valve (LH nacelle);
O-ring x 2 - 0309-216
- Uplock activator springs;
2713103-1 x 2
- Wastegate assembly; 45044-29
- I do not yet have the part numbers for the Ray Jay turbo
chargers but would still like to know if the Inlet and Outlet hoses are
available.
My aircraft also has auxiliary nose and baggage fuel transfer
tanks, I have not come across any STC information or drawings for this
installation.
Does anyone have or know where the drawings may be obtained?
Thanks in advance.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
they all belong to "Pro-Privatize the US ATC System" and
"Pro-User Fees" groups now!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Gust Lock
Aahh, but to return to those simpler days of commie
plots..Where have all the pinkeos gone.
bb
--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:31 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
no, its a communist plot by microsoft
Nancy Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam"
Hello out there,
I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else
having this
problem??
Roland Gilliam
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight
Time,
>aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
>Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
>to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
>Yes!
>
>It's not too expensive a system, either.
>
>Sit down. Before you buckle your
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
My current setup is that the 1" tube leaving the oil separator goes into a
"T", one 1/2" tube exits into the exhaust stream and the other 1" tube
connects to the original tube extending through the wheel well. A portion
of that tube in the wheel well has been cut-out and replaced with a rubber
hose thus allowing the wear indicators on the Cleveland brakes to compress
the rubber hose. The other engine does not have the rubber hose but the 1"
tube is still cut making room for the Clevelands and the wear indicators
have (almost dented) rubbed the paint of the underside of the wheel well.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:24 PM
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> My understanding is that if you are certified known icing the breather
> must
> go into the exhaust slip stream. Very effective, but the tops of your
> nacelles will always be oily.
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:24 PM
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" <floydgm@hotmail.com>
>>
>> The MR RPM conversion does away with the breather in the exhaust stream
> and
>> puts it in the cooling air outlet where the cowl flaps used to be
>> located.
>> The MR RPM drawing shows the breather in the exhaust stream removed and a
>> cover installed.
>>
>> Mike
>> Commander NW
>>
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I would like to see that drawing, images of my system in the works soon.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
Hi Tom,
I was interested to read that your 680FLP, s/n 1497-15, C-GISS, has
auxiliary fuel in the baggage compartment. I understand that such a tank
was offered as an optional extra on a new airplane, but the factory
paperwork didn't reflect that it was accomplished at the factory for
your example. It was an auxiliary system comprising 67 gallons in total,
65 of which was usable. The factory drawing would have been No. 6630214,
released June 10th 1964 and was substantiated by Aero Commander Report
No. APP60-087, dated August 12th 1964.
It is, I suppose, possible such a tank was also offered under an STC,
but I haven't found any details.
I have researched the records held for s/n 1497 at the FAA Records
Center in Oklahoma City and found nothing to substantiate the
installation of your tank. However, those records obviously do not
include any paperwork originated while the aircraft was under Canadian
registry. As it has been so-registered for over 20 years, could the tank
have been installed in Canada? I don't know, but would imagine that if
it was a factory option, it would be a fairly simple process to get such
a modification effected.
The auxiliary nose tank is very interesting. I have not found any
paperwork at all relating to such a modification. If you are able to
send me some photographs, I can run this past some of my contacts, who
worked for Aero Commander's R&D guys at Norman, Oklahoma.
Incidentally, I'm hoping that records you have may tell me when a
Chamberlain 2001K-B nose radome was installed (STC SA265EA) and when
this was removed and replaced by a Chamberlain 3066X one (STC SA458EA).
I know that a 'Miller' nose was installed under SA585SW on May 29th
1974.
As if that isn't enough, can you also confirm the exact model
propellers installed (hub & blade)?
Your help will, naturally, be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Part numbers
Gentlemen,
I am in the middle of an annual and would like to determine the
availability and price the following items for various components;
- For the nose gear retract servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Nose gear steering servo;
O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
- Hydraulic shut-off valve (LH nacelle);
O-ring x 2 - 0309-216
- Uplock activator springs;
2713103-1 x 2
- Wastegate assembly; 45044-29
- I do not yet have the part numbers for the Ray Jay turbo chargers
but would still like to know if the Inlet and Outlet hoses are
available.
My aircraft also has auxiliary nose and baggage fuel transfer tanks,
I have not come across any STC information or drawings for this
installation.
Does anyone have or know where the drawings may be obtained?
Thanks in advance.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
they all belong to "Pro-Privatize the US ATC System" and "Pro-User
Fees" groups now!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Gust Lock
Aahh, but to return to those simpler days of commie plots..Where
have all the pinkeos gone.
bb
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:31 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
no, its a communist plot by microsoft
Nancy Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam"
Hello out there,
I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else
having this
problem??
Roland Gilliam
>From: CloudCraft@aol.com
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
>In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
>aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
>Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
>to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
>Yes!
>
>It's not too expensive a system, either.
>
>Sit down. Before you buckle your
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Gents-
Along the vein of autopilots- this is information that might interest some
of you.
As you know- we've been conducting a very thorough rehab on N414C a 685
commander.
When we were making the decision to conduct this rehab, we engaged a few
autopilot manufacturers about modifying their STCs to include the 685
because it is unfortunately common that they leave the 685 off their
paperwork when filing the data for their STCs.
S-TEC was our first choice- and they were extraordinarily unhelpful and
uninterested. (Weeks/Months to return phone calls, etc...)
We wound up talking to Chelton Aviation about their AP-3C since they were
aggressively filing STCs for a broad range of aircraft. Chelton was eager
to amend their STC and obtained a project number and provided all the
engineering data for the installation.
About a month before certification/data collection, two principles at
Chelton were killed in an accident, and as a result Chelton Aviation was
absorbed by it's sister company Wulfsberg. Wulfsberg is not as openly
interested in this STC as Chelton was- but they are supporting us through
the STC process with a DAS. (DAS not selected yet... But we are close.)
Apparently before the accident, Chelton was eagerly looking to expand their
STC to cover the whole range of commanders- which would have been a boon to
all of us.
If there is sufficient interest in the AP-3C by other commander owners-
please let me know- as it will help the DAS facilities to hear that they
have a chance to recoup some costs on this STC.
If anyone has any interest in learning more- let me know.
As always- it's a learning experience when you try to put new avionics in an
old (but good!) airplane!
Robert Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 05:29
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
--> <cschuerm@cox.net>
Bruce Campbell wrote:
> Other than the Brittain, does anyone know an autopilot approved for
> the 520 (this includes field approval)?
Bruce,
There is a 520 around with a new S-Tec installed, but I can't remember who
has it.
Chris
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All,
Increasing the endurance of the aeroplane is one
thing, increasing the endurance of the pilot is
another, as the years go on, the reality is quite
the opposite. I "can" get 6 hours plus VFR
reserve out of the 500A, but me, that's another thing altogether.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 10:45 AM 21/07/2006, you wrote:
>I'm not sure if I got this right.
>First I thought your Email was a joke in
>reference to the seven hours of duration, so I
>laughed, but then I thought you might be asking a valid question.
>So, funny if it was a joke, more detail if it was a question.
>Tom F.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:Kamala@msn.com>MASON CHEVAILLIER
>To: <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>commander-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:57 AM
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
>
>tf, is there an aux pump and exit for your bladder? mason
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>Tom Fisher
>To: <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>commander-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
>
>The nose tank takes up the entire area exposed
>when the top nose cover is removed.
>I holds 22USG and is a "transfer" tank only. I
>have a switch and a light on the panel, there is
>no gauge at all. The procedure is to turn on
>the (marine) transfer pump for 35 mins. and that
>fuel will transfer to the centre tank.
>The baggage transfer tank is set up in the same
>manner. It is located just behind the rear
>pressure bulkhead on the baggage floor and holds
>45USG. The transfer pump takes 55 mins. to
>transfer the fuel to the centre tank.
>All of this gives this aircraft an endurance of
>7 hours, the log book shows every single entry
>is greater than 6 hours day after day after day.
>
>I will take some images of the tanks and try the
>new ability to Email them to this site.
>
>Tom F.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>Barry Collman
>To: <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>commander-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:18 AM
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers
>
>Hi Tom,
>
>I was interested to read that your 680FLP, s/n
>1497-15, C-GISS, has auxiliary fuel in the
>baggage compartment. I understand that such a
>tank was offered as an optional extra on a new
>airplane, but the factory paperwork didn't
>reflect that it was accomplished at the factory
>for your example. It was an auxiliary system
>comprising 67 gallons in total, 65 of which was
>usable. The factory drawing would have been No.
>6630214, released June 10th 1964 and was
>substantiated by Aero Commander Report No. APP60-087, dated August 12th
1964.
>
>It is, I suppose, possible such a tank was also
>offered under an STC, but I haven't found any details.
>
>I have researched the records held for s/n 1497
>at the FAA Records Center in Oklahoma City and
>found nothing to substantiate the installation
>of your tank. However, those records obviously
>do not include any paperwork originated while
>the aircraft was under Canadian registry. As it
>has been so-registered for over 20 years, could
>the tank have been installed in Canada? I don't
>know, but would imagine that if it was a factory
>option, it would be a fairly simple process to
>get such a modification effected.
>
>The auxiliary nose tank is very interesting. I
>have not found any paperwork at all relating to
>such a modification. If you are able to send me
>some photographs, I can run this past some of my
>contacts, who worked for Aero Commander's R&D guys at Norman, Oklahoma.
>
>Incidentally, I'm hoping that records you have
>may tell me when a Chamberlain 2001K-B nose
>radome was installed (STC SA265EA) and when this
>was removed and replaced by a Chamberlain 3066X
>one (STC SA458EA). I know that a 'Miller' nose
>was installed under SA585SW on May 29th 1974.
>
>As if that isn't enough, can you also confirm
>the exact model propellers installed (hub & blade)?
>
>Your help will, naturally, be very much appreciated.
>
>Very Best Regards,
>Barry
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>Tom Fisher
>To: <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>commander-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:46 PM
>Subject: Commander-List: Part numbers
>
>Gentlemen,
>
>I am in the middle of an annual and would like
>to determine the availability and price the
>following items for various components;
>
>- For the nose gear retract servo;
>O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
>O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
>O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
>
>- Nose gear steering servo;
>O-ring x 1 - 0309-026
>O-ring x 2 - 0309-114
>O-ring x 1 - 0309-216
>
>- Hydraulic shut-off valve (LH nacelle);
>O-ring x 2 - 0309-216
>
>- Uplock activator springs;
>2713103-1 x 2
>
>- Wastegate assembly; 45044-29
>
>- I do not yet have the part numbers for the Ray
>Jay turbo chargers but would still like to know
>if the Inlet and Outlet hoses are available.
>
>My aircraft also has auxiliary nose and baggage
>fuel transfer tanks, I have not come across any
>STC information or drawings for this installation.
>Does anyone have or know where the drawings may be obtained?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Tom F.
>C-GISS
>680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:john@vormbaum.com>John Vormbaum
>To: <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>commander-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:21 AM
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>
>they all belong to "Pro-Privatize the US ATC
>System" and "Pro-User Fees" groups now!
>
>do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:bowing74@earthlink.net>Bill Bow
>To: <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>commander-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:56 AM
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>
>Aahh, but to return to those simpler days of
>commie plots=85.Where have all the pinkeos gone.
>
>bb
>
>
>----------
>From:
><mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com>owner-commander-list-serv
er@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Wilson
>Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:31 PM
>To: <mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
>
>no, its a communist plot by microsoft
>
>Nancy Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com> wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: "Nancy Gilliam"
>
>Hello out there,
>
>I'm getting all commander list's posts 2 times. anyone else having this
>problem??
>
>Roland Gilliam
>
>
> >From: CloudCraft@aol.com
> >To: commander-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gust Lock
> >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >In a message dated 18-Jul-06 15:30:09 Pacific Daylight Time,
> >aquadiver99@yahoo.com writes:
> >Anyone out there have any ideas for a cockpit reminder
> >to remove the rudder gust lock? [500B]
> >Yes!
> >
> >It's not too expensive a system, either.
> >
> >Sit down. Before you buckle your
>
>How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Gents-
Oh- I violated prime directive #5541: "Don't talk in Jargon."
DAS = "Designated Alternation Station. They are designated alternates to
your local FISDO/MIDO and have been given authority by the FAA to approve
STCs.
It's also worth mentioning that we removed 180lbs (appx) of autopilot stuff
from the 685.... And the AP-3C replacing it weights 13.5lbs when fully
installed...
Net gain: 166lbs, or both our dogs and the baby that arrives in September,
or :30 more cruise fuel, or another 100nm in range...depending on how you
want to measure it. ;-)
Do not archive
Rob
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 20:31
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo"
--> <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Gents-
Along the vein of autopilots- this is information that might interest some
of you.
As you know- we've been conducting a very thorough rehab on N414C a 685
commander.
When we were making the decision to conduct this rehab, we engaged a few
autopilot manufacturers about modifying their STCs to include the 685
because it is unfortunately common that they leave the 685 off their
paperwork when filing the data for their STCs.
S-TEC was our first choice- and they were extraordinarily unhelpful and
uninterested. (Weeks/Months to return phone calls, etc...)
We wound up talking to Chelton Aviation about their AP-3C since they were
aggressively filing STCs for a broad range of aircraft. Chelton was eager
to amend their STC and obtained a project number and provided all the
engineering data for the installation.
About a month before certification/data collection, two principles at
Chelton were killed in an accident, and as a result Chelton Aviation was
absorbed by it's sister company Wulfsberg. Wulfsberg is not as openly
interested in this STC as Chelton was- but they are supporting us through
the STC process with a DAS. (DAS not selected yet... But we are close.)
Apparently before the accident, Chelton was eagerly looking to expand their
STC to cover the whole range of commanders- which would have been a boon to
all of us.
If there is sufficient interest in the AP-3C by other commander owners-
please let me know- as it will help the DAS facilities to hear that they
have a chance to recoup some costs on this STC.
If anyone has any interest in learning more- let me know.
As always- it's a learning experience when you try to put new avionics in an
old (but good!) airplane!
Robert Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 05:29
--> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann
--> <cschuerm@cox.net>
Bruce Campbell wrote:
> Other than the Brittain, does anyone know an autopilot approved for
> the 520 (this includes field approval)?
Bruce,
There is a 520 around with a new S-Tec installed, but I can't remember who
has it.
Chris
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