---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/28/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:05 AM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Tom Fisher) 2. 08:11 AM - Re: Part numbers (Tom Fisher) 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (mike floyd) 4. 09:33 AM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Tom Fisher) 5. 09:59 AM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (mike floyd) 6. 10:23 AM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (John Vormbaum) 7. 12:20 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Chris Schuermann) 8. 12:37 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Robert S. Randazzo) 9. 12:41 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Bruce Campbell) 10. 01:13 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Chris Schuermann) 11. 01:23 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Chris Schuermann) 12. 01:52 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Bruce Campbell) 13. 02:05 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (mike floyd) 14. 03:45 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Chris Schuermann) 15. 09:21 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Tom Fisher) 16. 09:22 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (Tom Fisher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:19 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Gentelmen, I have been informed that my Ray Jay turbo chargers need replacement due to cracks on the hot side which are beyond limits. Are there any Ray Jay's out there? Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:35 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers If you would check for the large oil cooler and Ray Jays too! Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: BillLeff1@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Part numbers I'll check the springs I have and see how much corrosion, if any, they have. Bill ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:42 AM PST US From: "mike floyd" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" Talk to Gary Main at Main Turbos: Main Turbo Systems 800-847-8815 234 Cotta CT. Visalia CA. 93292 He will fix you up. Mike Commander NW ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:38 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Gary has my turbos now, $5,400.00 is generating these inquiries as this was an unexpected expense and I need to find an alternate solution. By the way, do these Ray Jay's have "blankets" on them? The engineers say yes, the original owner says no. Can't find them in the Mr.RPM drawings. Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:30 AM > --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" > > Talk to Gary Main at Main Turbos: > > Main Turbo Systems 800-847-8815 > 234 Cotta CT. > Visalia CA. 93292 > > He will fix you up. > > Mike > Commander NW > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:20 AM PST US From: "mike floyd" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" Yes they do have blankets, I do not have the P/N with me I am in Anchorage right now headed to Barrow today. The only other solution to the turbos are new from Kelly Aerospace purchased through Aviall or API. Only problem with that is a 6 to 8 week lead time. Main Turbos can do an overhaul and turn them usually in a day, off the top of my head though that is probably the $5400 you are talking about. Mike Commander NW ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:07 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" Tom, call Morris 321-403-8813 and he'll give you the name of the company in southern California that mfr's them. I got a new set (4!) a couple of years ago for a bargain, only $2,500 each. And it took 2 trips, as the first set had the wrong wheels in them and would suck when you added "boost". I could get the MP to drop 4" by closing the wastegates. /John ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:03 AM > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" > > > Gentelmen, > > I have been informed that my Ray Jay turbo chargers need replacement due > to cracks on the hot side which are beyond limits. Are there any Ray > Jay's out there? > > Tom F. > C-GISS > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1682 (20060727) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1682 (20060727) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:51 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Tom Fisher wrote: > I have been informed that my Ray Jay turbo chargers need replacement Tom, When I did the engine on my Viking, I went with new rayjays. I was told that there had been a number of improvments made by the current mfgr that eliminated some of the problems as well as a new bearing design which gave much longer life. The cost wasn't much more than a complete overhaul if memory serves. FYI, the new carbon bearings will leak a bit on the new units until they seat in. I had some puddles under the exhaust stacks for about the first 30 hours or so, then things dried up nicely and they performed flawlessly from that point on. Chris ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:33 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" Chris- Is this leaking behavior normal for all turbos? Robert -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Schuermann Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:21 --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann --> Tom Fisher wrote: > I have been informed that my Ray Jay turbo chargers need replacement Tom, When I did the engine on my Viking, I went with new rayjays. I was told that there had been a number of improvments made by the current mfgr that eliminated some of the problems as well as a new bearing design which gave much longer life. The cost wasn't much more than a complete overhaul if memory serves. FYI, the new carbon bearings will leak a bit on the new units until they seat in. I had some puddles under the exhaust stacks for about the first 30 hours or so, then things dried up nicely and they performed flawlessly from that point on. Chris __________ NOD32 1.1683 (20060728) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:27 PM PST US From: "Bruce Campbell" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell" Do you know if the current manufacturer of RayJays retained the STCs? Is there one for the 520? Who is the current manufacturer, anyway? Bruce Campbell -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Schuermann Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:21 PM --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Tom Fisher wrote: > I have been informed that my Ray Jay turbo chargers need replacement Tom, When I did the engine on my Viking, I went with new rayjays. I was told that there had been a number of improvments made by the current mfgr that eliminated some of the problems as well as a new bearing design which gave much longer life. The cost wasn't much more than a complete overhaul if memory serves. FYI, the new carbon bearings will leak a bit on the new units until they seat in. I had some puddles under the exhaust stacks for about the first 30 hours or so, then things dried up nicely and they performed flawlessly from that point on. Chris ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:41 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Robert S. Randazzo wrote: > Is this leaking behavior normal for all turbos? I honestly can't say about other brands. A tech guy at Consolidated provided that information when I called and inquired about the leakage on the new RayJays. He said that they'd redesigned the bearing assembly using some new carbon-based material that had to seat in just like a new set of piston rings. Before that, it was considered "bad" if you had bearing leakage at all - a sign of bearing seal failure. Don't know if everyone in the industry has changed or not. chris ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:52 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Bruce Campbell wrote: > Do you know if the current manufacturer of RayJays retained the STCs? Is > there one for the 520? Who is the current manufacturer, anyway? Bruce, The current manufacturer is now Kelly Aerospace. If memory serves, they bought them from Consolidated who bought out Rayjay. Along the way, some of the STCs were sold off. I have a vague recollection that "Wind Dancer" ended up with the Commander related STCs. The principal of that company used to be on this list, but I'm drawing a blank on his name (sorry). They used to have a web site at: www.winddancer.aero but it seems to be gone now. You might contact Kelly at: http://www.kellyaerospace.com/turbos.html Cheers, Chris ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:31 PM PST US From: "Bruce Campbell" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell" Bad news about Wind Dancer. It was owned by eent.com, who does have a web site. When I called, the message discussed "the involuntary order of chapter 11" which was filed. Airnav no longer mentions wind dancer aviation. Oh well.. So what happens to an STC when the owner disappears? It would seem sad for all of those STCs to disappear with them. Bruce -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Schuermann Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:24 PM --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Bruce Campbell wrote: > Do you know if the current manufacturer of RayJays retained the STCs? Is > there one for the 520? Who is the current manufacturer, anyway? Bruce, The current manufacturer is now Kelly Aerospace. If memory serves, they bought them from Consolidated who bought out Rayjay. Along the way, some of the STCs were sold off. I have a vague recollection that "Wind Dancer" ended up with the Commander related STCs. The principal of that company used to be on this list, but I'm drawing a blank on his name (sorry). They used to have a web site at: www.winddancer.aero but it seems to be gone now. You might contact Kelly at: http://www.kellyaerospace.com/turbos.html Cheers, Chris ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:29 PM PST US From: "mike floyd" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "mike floyd" The holder of the Commander STC's is now MR RPM LLC Firetruck Aviation Centerville TN. Arnold Blankenship. Mike Commander NW ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:05 PM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann Bruce Campbell wrote: > Bad news about Wind Dancer. It was owned by eent.com Sorry to hear that! Wasn't mrrpm somehow associated with eent? do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:54 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" Unfortunately 30 - 60 day lead time. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:20 PM > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > > Tom Fisher wrote: >> I have been informed that my Ray Jay turbo chargers need replacement > > > Tom, > When I did the engine on my Viking, I went with new rayjays. I was told > that there had been a number of improvments made by the current mfgr > that eliminated some of the problems as well as a new bearing design > which gave much longer life. The cost wasn't much more than a complete > overhaul if memory serves. FYI, the new carbon bearings will leak a bit > on the new units until they seat in. I had some puddles under the > exhaust stacks for about the first 30 hours or so, then things dried up > nicely and they performed flawlessly from that point on. > > Chris > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:24 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander pics and stuff --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" I got a price from "Wind Dancer" and it was almost twice than Kelly's. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:24 PM > --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > > > > Bruce Campbell wrote: >> Do you know if the current manufacturer of RayJays retained the STCs? Is >> there one for the 520? Who is the current manufacturer, anyway? > > Bruce, > The current manufacturer is now Kelly Aerospace. If memory serves, they > bought them from Consolidated who bought out Rayjay. Along the way, > some of the STCs were sold off. I have a vague recollection that "Wind > Dancer" ended up with the Commander related STCs. The principal of that > company used to be on this list, but I'm drawing a blank on his name > (sorry). They used to have a web site at: > www.winddancer.aero but it seems to be gone now. > > You might contact Kelly at: > http://www.kellyaerospace.com/turbos.html > > Cheers, > Chris