---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/02/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:23 AM - Re: Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines (Julian Codding) 2. 07:33 AM - (Julian Codding) 3. 08:52 AM - Re: Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines (Chris Schuermann) 4. 02:04 PM - Message regarding autopilot (Tommy Mathieu) 5. 02:20 PM - Re: Message regarding autopilot (David Owens) 6. 02:26 PM - Re: Message regarding autopilot (CloudCraft@aol.com) 7. 02:43 PM - Re: Message regarding autopilot (MASON Chevaillier) 8. 02:48 PM - Re: Message regarding autopilot (Ray Mansfield) 9. 08:28 PM - Re: Message regarding autopilot () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:42 AM PST US From: "Julian Codding" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines --> Commander-List message posted by: "Julian Codding" Please delete my name from the list. Julian Codding >From: Matt Dralle >Subject: Commander-List: Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:31:08 -0700 > >--> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > >Dear Listers, > >Please read over the Commander-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete >Commander-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the >following URL: > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Commander-List.FAQ.html > >Thank you, > >Matt Dralle >Matronics Email List Administrator > > >****************************************************************************** > Commander-List Usage Guidelines >****************************************************************************** > >The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Commander-List. >You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. >Failure to use the Commander-List in the manner described below may result >in the removal of the subscribers from the List. > > >Commander-List Policy Statement > >The purpose of the Commander-List is to provide a forum of discussion for >things related to this particular discussion group. 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Julian Codding ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:40 AM PST US From: Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Schuermann > Please delete my name from the list. >> Please read over the Commander-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete >> Commander-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the >> following URL: >> >> http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Commander-List.FAQ.html ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:37 PM PST US From: "Tommy Mathieu" Subject: Commander-List: Message regarding autopilot I have an old Bendix autopilot on my 500 Shrike. It has been giving us trouble while trying to hold the heading bug or in the Nav function. Anyone have a suggestion as to who might be best qualified to troubleshoot this system. Also, if you were going to upgrade, which system would you go with and what should I expect to spend on such a system. Any help would be tremendously appreciated. Sincerely, Tommy Mathieu ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:48 PM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Message regarding autopilot Autopilot Central... Go to http://www.sparksaviationcenter.com/indexauto.htm David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:02 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Message regarding autopilot In a message dated 02-Aug-06 14:06:43 Pacific Daylight Time, tmathieu@MSN.COM writes: I have an old Bendix autopilot on my 500 Shrike. It has been giving us trouble while trying to hold the heading bug or in the Nav function. Anyone have a suggestion as to who might be best qualified to troubleshoot this system. Also, if you were going to upgrade, which system would you go with and what should I expect to spend on such a system. Any help would be tremendously appreciated. Tommy, You didn't say which old Bendix A/P you have -- is it an M4 series? If so, make sure your "TURN" command knob is in the center detent. It's a very subtle detent and if it's out, it cancels HDG mode or NAV mode. See the "TURN" knob below. Next, check your ROLL trim. On some A/P control heads, if this is pulled out, it can cancel or interfere with HDG mode. This also has a detent, so see if you can find it and start engaging HDG or NAV mode from that point. If either of those checks don't get you happy, take the airplane to Autopilots Central in Tulsa, OK. That may be far away from you, but I don't know of anyone left who understands the Bendix/Motorola M4s. There are some trim pots than can be adjusted for ROLL or NAV track and that's best done in flight with the autopilot technician turning set screws while you keep the airplane safe. It may be that you need a circuit board replaced. Autopilot Central should have them, or, can trouble shoot components if need be. It may be that you need the autopilot replaced and I trust if that's so, several TCFG members will check in with their recommendations on modern systems. Good luck! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:08 PM PST US From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Message regarding autopilot --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" tm, re auto pilot refer to century flight systems in mineral wells tx. system 2000 works real well. mason >From: "Tommy Mathieu" >To: >Subject: Commander-List: Message regarding autopilot >Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:02:42 -0500 > >I have an old Bendix autopilot on my 500 Shrike. It has been giving us >trouble while trying to hold the heading bug or in the Nav function. Anyone >have a suggestion as to who might be best qualified to troubleshoot this >system. Also, if you were going to upgrade, which system would you go with >and what should I expect to spend on such a system. Any help would be >tremendously appreciated. > >Sincerely, > >Tommy Mathieu > ><< image001.jpg >> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:52 PM PST US From: "Ray Mansfield" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Message regarding autopilot Hi Tommy, I have an old Bendix M4 in the Aero Commander I fly and it was not working about a year ago. I knew a man in Ferandina Beach, FL who did avionics and I asked him about it. He said, "I've been working on the M4 since 1961 when they came out and have many parts around". So I sent him the controller and black box. He fixed it and it works great now. It's very steady and except for a few minor quirks (nothing bothersome) it's great. He has all the test equipment for it too. He's not doing as much avionics work as he use to but he might work on it if your are not in a hurry. I've got another Bendix at his shop...so mine comes first,...ha! ha! Send me your email address and I'll give you his particulars, address, phone number, etc. I don't know if he's looking for a lot of business these days. He's doing more corporate flying now than he use to. Ray Mansfield hcourier@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Tommy Mathieu To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: Message regarding autopilot I have an old Bendix autopilot on my 500 Shrike. It has been giving us trouble while trying to hold the heading bug or in the Nav function. Anyone have a suggestion as to who might be best qualified to troubleshoot this system. Also, if you were going to upgrade, which system would you go with and what should I expect to spend on such a system. Any help would be tremendously appreciated. Sincerely, Tommy Mathieu ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:02 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Commander-List: Message regarding autopilot When I purchased my 500 Shrike I had an S-tec 60-2 installed and it was a used one. It cost around 12,500 once it was said and done. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfield Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:50 PM Hi Tommy, I have an old Bendix M4 in the Aero Commander I fly and it was not working about a year ago. I knew a man in Ferandina Beach, FL who did avionics and I asked him about it. He said, "I've been working on the M4 since 1961 when they came out and have many parts around". So I sent him the controller and black box. He fixed it and it works great now. It's very steady and except for a few minor quirks (nothing bothersome) it's great. He has all the test equipment for it too. He's not doing as much avionics work as he use to but he might work on it if your are not in a hurry. I've got another Bendix at his shop...so mine comes first,...ha! ha! Send me your email address and I'll give you his particulars, address, phone number, etc. I don't know if he's looking for a lot of business these days. He's doing more corporate flying now than he use to. Ray Mansfield hcourier@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:02 PM I have an old Bendix autopilot on my 500 Shrike. It has been giving us trouble while trying to hold the heading bug or in the Nav function. Anyone have a suggestion as to who might be best qualified to troubleshoot this system. Also, if you were going to upgrade, which system would you go with and what should I expect to spend on such a system. Any help would be tremendously appreciated. Sincerely, Tommy Mathieu