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1. 05:05 AM - Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. (W J R HAMILTON)
2. 05:32 AM - Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. (W J R HAMILTON)
3. 11:40 AM - Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. ()
4. 12:52 PM - Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. (Robert S. Randazzo)
5. 01:58 PM - Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. (N395V)
6. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. (Robert S. Randazzo)
7. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. (John Vormbaum)
8. 04:20 PM - Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. (N395V)
9. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. (Robert S. Randazzo)
10. 09:36 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (BillLeff1@aol.com)
11. 09:48 PM - Re: Commander pics and stuff (BillLeff1@aol.com)
12. 10:41 PM - Re: Message regarding autopilot (BillLeff1@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. |
Jim,
Some info.
If I can find an actual link, I will send it, in the meantime, try Google:
[2] Swift SJ (1995) =91The Aero Commander
Chronicle=92. Proceedings of the 18th Symposium of the
International Committee on Aeronautical Fatigue,
EMAS, Melbourne, Australia, pages 507 ' 530.
[3] Swift SJ (1999) =91Gnats and Camels ' 30 Years
of Regulating Structural Fatigue in Light Aircraft=92.
Proceedings of the 20th Symposium of the
International Committee on Aeronautical Fatigue,
Bellevue, Washington, USA, pages 685 ' 708.
Regards,
Bill Hamilton
At 11:04 PM 18/08/2006, you wrote:
>
>I was wondering if anyone could help me with
>current or historic information on the Aero
>commander 500A in reference to problems with the wing spar.
>I have N 800AC which I have been working to get
>airworthy for the last few years and was down to
>one last problem. I had a fuel leak which you
>could smell in the aft cabin. When they pulled
>the center fuel bladder out to repair or replace
>they found the wing spar in my plane to be 50% deteriorated.
>
>Are there any ADs or service advisories which
>would have covered this problem in the past?
>Where can I get replacement parts?
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. |
Jim,
Try this, I was looking everywhere but the obvious place, I was
talking to Swift today, it doesn't altogether surprise me he rides a bicycle.
http://www.casa.gov.au/airworth/papers/aerocommander.pdf
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 11:04 PM 18/08/2006, you wrote:
>
>I was wondering if anyone could help me with current or historic
>information on the Aero commander 500A in reference to problems with
>the wing spar.
>I have N 800AC which I have been working to get airworthy for the
>last few years and was down to one last problem. I had a fuel leak
>which you could smell in the aft cabin. When they pulled the center
>fuel bladder out to repair or replace they found the wing spar in my
>plane to be 50% deteriorated.
>
>Are there any ADs or service advisories which would have covered
>this problem in the past?
>Where can I get replacement parts?
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. |
Excellent infromation.
Thanks
Phil Stubbs
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From: W J R HAMILTON
Sent: 8/21/2006 8:41:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: History of 500A wing spar problems.
Jim,
Try this, I was looking everywhere but the obvious place, I was talking to Swift
today, it doesn't altogether surprise me he rides a bicycle.
http://www.casa.gov.au/airworth/papers/aerocommander.pdf
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 11:04 PM 18/08/2006, you wrote:
I was wondering if anyone could help me with current or historic information on
the Aero commander 500A in reference to problems with the wing spar.
I have N 800AC which I have been working to get airworthy for the last few years
and was down to one last problem. I had a fuel leak which you could smell in
the aft cabin. When they pulled the center fuel bladder out to repair or replace
they found the wing spar in my plane to be 50% deteriorated.
Are there any ADs or service advisories which would have covered this problem in
the past?
Where can I get replacement parts?
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | History of 500A wing spar problems. |
I think i'm going to take up walking...
Rob
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:39
Subject: Re: Commander-List: History of 500A wing spar problems.
Excellent infromation.
Thanks
Phil Stubbs
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From: W J R HAMILTON <mailto:wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
Sent: 8/21/2006 8:41:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: History of 500A wing spar problems.
Jim,
Try this, I was looking everywhere but the obvious place, I was talking to
Swift today, it doesn't altogether surprise me he rides a bicycle.
http://www.casa.gov.au/airworth/papers/aerocommander.pdf
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 11:04 PM 18/08/2006, you wrote:
I was wondering if anyone could help me with current or historic information
on the Aero commander 500A in reference to problems with the wing spar.
I have N 800AC which I have been working to get airworthy for the last few
years and was down to one last problem. I had a fuel leak which you could
smell in the aft cabin. When they pulled the center fuel bladder out to
repair or replace they found the wing spar in my plane to be 50%
deteriorated.
Are there any ADs or service advisories which would have covered this
problem in the past?
Where can I get replacement parts?
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
I'm sooooooooo0o confused.
My impression when I first got into commanders was only 2 planes had had spar failure.
1 allegedly had pre existing spar damage in a hangar door accident that
was poorly repaired and the other was 2 tennagers high on Marijuana trying to
imitate Bob Hoover.
Were there really 24 in flight failures?????
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Milt
N395V
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Milt-
I thought there had been a few more- but that they were mostly low-level
work aircraft subject to pretty high stress loads as a routine part of their
operation. Apparently this isn't the case.
This makes me worry... N414C had that hard landing incident in 2001(?)...
Was any consideration given to the strain placed on the wing spar in that
incident? Crikey... Time for more costly inspections?
Rob
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 13:57
Subject: Commander-List: Re: History of 500A wing spar problems.
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
I'm sooooooooo0o confused.
My impression when I first got into commanders was only 2 planes had had
spar failure. 1 allegedly had pre existing spar damage in a hangar door
accident that was poorly repaired and the other was 2 tennagers high on
Marijuana trying to imitate Bob Hoover.
Were there really 24 in flight failures?????
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Milt,
I haven't decided how much credit to grant these reports. I've heard varying
stories, including one that the chief investigator was on a crusade against
Commander for some bizarre personal reasons. I also have heard that some of
the accidents ascribed to spar failure did involve a "spar failure"....when
the spar hit the ground at 170kts, it failed.
I also think that the airplanes down under were operated in a harsher
environment, in a more heavy-handed or less well (factory) supported fashion
(this may be erroneous on my part).
Regardless, the AD's & SB's are in place, and if the airplanes are so bad,
why have spar failures dropped to zero? When's the last time we had spar
issues in the flight group? There've been NONE in the almost 8 years I've
been participating. I've got 18,000+ hours on my airframe and my spar is
fine.
/John
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From: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: History of 500A wing spar problems.
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
>
> I'm sooooooooo0o confused.
>
> My impression when I first got into commanders was only 2 planes had had
> spar failure. 1 allegedly had pre existing spar damage in a hangar door
> accident that was poorly repaired and the other was 2 tennagers high on
> Marijuana trying to imitate Bob Hoover.
>
> Were there really 24 in flight failures?????
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: History of 500A wing spar problems. |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
I believe ALL spar failures have been corrosion related. N414C has had 1 if not
2 AD mandated inspections since the landing and has passed without difficulty.
Also note from the commander aero website that those aircraft affected (based
on repetetive inspections of the fleet) are few and far between. To my knowledge
since the AD there have been no failures.
Drink beer get some nooki and don't worry. [Laughing]
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Milt
N395V
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--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Milt-
I'll have to settle for just the beer. First child shows up any day now- so
The Mr.s isn't much in the mood for nooki. ;-)
Just got the new cabinets for N414C back from the cabinet maker. Nice
mahogany finish (not real- but looks great). Redesigned them to suit my
needs a bit better- flight manuals/docs within easy reach, an ice drawer
capable of holding a 6 pack of coke and ice (reachable from the cockpit, of
course!) and two nice, roomy storage bins for any food stuffs the wife might
wish to bring along....
Still wending our way through the autopilot certification process... It's
holding up progress a bit- but the short term game plan is to get her flying
again by end of september.
You are correct- 2 spar AD inspections and nothing noted. Third one is due
next year. No doubt I'll be seeking advice from this group on where to take
her.
Rob
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 16:20
Subject: Commander-List: Re: History of 500A wing spar problems.
--> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
I believe ALL spar failures have been corrosion related. N414C has had 1 if
not 2 AD mandated inspections since the landing and has passed without
difficulty. Also note from the commander aero website that those aircraft
affected (based on repetetive inspections of the fleet) are few and far
between. To my knowledge since the AD there have been no failures.
Drink beer get some nooki and don't worry. [Laughing]
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: Commander pics and stuff |
The Mr. RPM I did in 1976 had the blankets on each turbo. That would be
N400CH now.
Bill Leff
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| Subject: | Re: Commander pics and stuff |
You can get the information you need, via the Freedom of information Act,
from the region that certified the STC if the owner does not exists any more.
Bill Leff
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| Subject: | Re: Message regarding autopilot |
I had a Collins AP-102E. Nobody can fix it. There is one test set in the
world! and it is in Asia!!
I am currently installing a Century III witch is approved for the 560F
Bill Leff
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