Commander-List Digest Archive

Tue 09/26/06


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 06:00 AM - AC motor (Ray Mansfield)
     2. 07:11 AM - Fw: 500B (Donnie Rose)
     3. 07:25 AM - FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (Bob Steele)
     4. 07:28 AM - Re: Fw: 500B (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
     5. 08:59 AM - Door cable (Tom Fisher)
     6. 09:08 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (Tom Fisher)
     7. 09:31 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (nico css)
     8. 09:48 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (Tom Fisher)
     9. 10:02 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (John Vormbaum)
    10. 10:46 AM - Re: Door cable (David Owens)
    11. 10:56 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (nico css)
    12. 10:57 AM - Help! Need props for 520! (Bruce Campbell)
    13. 11:35 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (steve2)
    14. 11:50 AM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (steve2)
    15. 01:50 PM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
    16. 01:53 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
    17. 02:25 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (John Vormbaum)
    18. 04:09 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (Robert S. Randazzo)
    19. 05:00 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! ()
    20. 07:48 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
    21. 08:16 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (John Vormbaum)
    22. 10:11 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:00:06 AM PST US
    From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier@cox.net>
    Subject: AC motor
    Hello, Still looking for an electric motor for an Aero Commander air conditioning system. I fly a 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM Conversion and the motor has burned out. The system is similar to that in a turbo commander. If you know where a motor can be bought please let me know. This is the third motor to go out in 5-6 years. If anyone has experience with this system let me know what you think may be causing this. The system works fine when the motor is working. Thanks. Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL


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    Time: 07:11:31 AM PST US
    From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Fwd: 500B
    --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99@yahoo.com> --- Donnie Rose <aquadiver99@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99@yahoo.com> > Subject: 500B > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > medallion? > > Thank you, > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________


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    Time: 07:25:42 AM PST US
    Subject: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
    From: "Bob Steele" <Bob.Steele@kzf.com>
    Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 _____ ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006


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    Time: 07:28:53 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
    Subject: Fwd: 500B
    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net> I also need one for my 680F. Thanks, Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99@yahoo.com> --- Donnie Rose <aquadiver99@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99@yahoo.com> > Subject: 500B > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > medallion? > > Thank you, > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________


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    Time: 08:59:27 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Door cable
    Hi folks, Does anyone know where a door cable might be found (new or used) part # 4-DNL-125-A-72. Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Mansfield To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: AC motor Hello, Still looking for an electric motor for an Aero Commander air conditioning system. I fly a 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM Conversion and the motor has burned out. The system is similar to that in a turbo commander. If you know where a motor can be bought please let me know. This is the third motor to go out in 5-6 years. If anyone has experience with this system let me know what you think may be causing this. The system works fine when the motor is working. Thanks. Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL


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    Time: 09:08:38 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
    I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006


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    Time: 09:31:41 AM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
    Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele <mailto:Bob.Steele@kzf.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 _____ **************************************************************************** **** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** **************************************************************************** **** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List


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    Time: 09:48:44 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
    Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List


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    Time: 10:02:41 AM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
    I think he was thanking Ted Smith, the brilliant designer of our airplanes ;-). /J do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com


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    Time: 10:46:00 AM PST US
    From: "David Owens" <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
    Subject: Re: Door cable
    Check with the guy that has all... Harry! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill


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    Time: 10:56:09 AM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
    Sorry to burst your bubble, Tom, I was thanking Ted Smith! :-D _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> css Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele <mailto:Bob.Steele@kzf.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 _____ **************************************************************************** **** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** **************************************************************************** **** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List


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    Time: 10:57:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Help! Need props for 520!
    From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>
    Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B


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    Time: 11:35:30 AM PST US
    From: "steve2" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
    Same when one of our clevises (clevi?) broke and disconnected a retract cylinder.. Gear descended and locked only after speed was reduced. Found more cracked clevi during gear rebuild this year. Also, some retention pins had cocked in the gear and scored the hell out of the inner wall of strut cylinders. They are available, but you can buy an airplane for the price of them. (There is a shop rebuilding them.) Found the tiniest of leaks in the nitrogen system lines that would take a couple weeks to leak down, but was a pain in the ass. The guys used freon and a sniffer. Man is that thing sensitive. Our nitrogen pressure gauge stuck before and after a rebuild of the gauge. Standard preflight includes a sharp tap on the thing to get it to return to where it belongs. I suppose I'd miss having to tap it if it ever works right again. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List


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    Time: 11:50:03 AM PST US
    From: "steve2" <steve2@sover.net>
    Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
    Don't know if it helps any, but there is (was) a fellow in our neck of the woods that had several sets of rebuildable Queen Air props for a decent price. We were looking for them because we had briefly kicked around the idea of picking up that 720 for sale as another camera platform. Quite a lot was done to it, but it did need the props tended to. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B


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    Had a hydrolic line shear off in the wheel well just after take-off in a 500B. Emergency checklist slow her down and whala...another thanks to Ted on a superb design. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ******************************************************************************** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ******************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <html><body> <DIV>Had a hydrolic line shear off in the wheel well just after take-off in a 500B.&nbsp;&nbsp;Emergency checklist slow her down and whala...another thanks to&nbsp;Ted on a superb design.&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "nico css" &lt;nico@cybersuperstore.com&gt; <BR> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator><BASE href=http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminary_data/events01/media/04_57266.txt> <STYLE> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </STYLE> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} pre {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New";} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Tom Fisher<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I had a near&nbsp;one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there.&nbsp; I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service.&nbsp; Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down.&nbsp; I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom F,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; 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    Time: 01:53:09 PM PST US
    From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
    How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B <html><body> <DIV>How much would a brand new set of&nbsp;Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Bruce Campbell &lt;brcamp@windows.microsoft.com&gt; <BR> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-compose; font-family:Arial; color:windowtext;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine.&nbsp; The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bruce Campbell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AC520 N4186B<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2 color000000?> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 02:25:21 PM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
    There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com


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    Time: 04:09:11 PM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Help! Need props for 520!
    Sounds like it might be time to drive your car into the prop on the right side of the airplane, then back up around the left side and hit the other one....then call the insurance company. :-) (Just kidding- for anyone involved in the insurance industry...it was humor based upon the premise of how difficult it would be to hit both sides.... really....humor....) now Bruce- if you happen to figure out how to make that happen- I'd prefer I not hear about it. hahahah... Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 14:25 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1777 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com


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    Time: 05:00:13 PM PST US
    From: "" <br549phil@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Help! Need props for 520!
    Dont know if you shopped around but I just had mine overhauled and found a wide range of prices and expertise. Might be worth a call to H&H Props 800-334-6437. Phil Stubbs ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell Sent: 9/26/2006 2:02:47 PM Subject: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B


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    Time: 07:48:03 PM PST US
    From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
    Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com <html><body> <DIV>Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "John Vormbaum" &lt;john@vormbaum.com&gt; <BR> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>/John</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=skyhawkc-172@comcast.net href="mailto:skyhawkc-172@comcast.net">skyhawkc-172@comcast.net</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=commander-list@matronics.com href="mailto:commander-list@matronics.com">commander-list@matronics.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>How much would a brand new set of&nbsp;Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Bruce Campbell &lt;<A href="mailto:brcamp@windows.microsoft.com">brcamp@windows.microsoft.com</A>&gt; <BR> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-compose } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine.&nbsp; The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bruce Campbell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AC520 N4186B<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2 color000000?> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color=#000000 size=2> ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List</A> </B></FONT></PRE><BR><BR>__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________<BR><BR>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.<BR><A href="http://www.eset.com/">http://www.eset.com</A><BR><BR><BR>__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________<BR><BR>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.<BR><A href="http://www.eset.com/">http://www.eset.com</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2 color000000?> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 08:16:35 PM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
    $63K!!!!! What are they made out of, platinum? ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com


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    Time: 10:11:47 PM PST US
    From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
    I figure they must have a diamond coating of some sort! Thats outta control! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> $63K!!!!! What are they made out of, platinum? ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com> There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com <html><body> <DIV>I figure they must have a diamond coating of some sort!&nbsp; Thats outta control!</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "John Vormbaum" &lt;john@vormbaum.com&gt; <BR> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>$63K!!!!! What are they made out of, platinum?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=skyhawkc-172@comcast.net href="mailto:skyhawkc-172@comcast.net">skyhawkc-172@comcast.net</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=commander-list@matronics.com href="mailto:commander-list@matronics.com">commander-list@matronics.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "John Vormbaum" &lt;<A href="mailto:john@vormbaum.com">john@vormbaum.com</A>&gt; <BR> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>/John</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=skyhawkc-172@comcast.net href="mailto:skyhawkc-172@comcast.net">skyhawkc-172@comcast.net</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=commander-list@matronics.com href="mailto:commander-list@matronics.com">commander-list@matronics.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>How much would a brand new set of&nbsp;Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Bruce Campbell &lt;<A href="mailto:brcamp@windows.microsoft.com">brcamp@windows.microsoft.com</A>&gt; <BR> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-compose } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine.&nbsp; The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bruce Campbell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-CA style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AC520 N4186B<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2 color000000?> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color=#000000 size=2> ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List</A> </B></FONT></PRE><BR><BR>__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________<BR><BR>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.<BR><A href="http://www.eset.com/">http://www.eset.com</A><BR><BR><BR>__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________<BR><BR>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.<BR><A href="http://www.eset.com/">http://www.eset.com</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2 color000000?> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color=#000000 size=2> ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List</A> </B></FONT></PRE><BR><BR>__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________<BR><BR>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.<BR><A href="http://www.eset.com/">http://www.eset.com</A><BR><BR><BR>__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________<BR><BR>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.<BR><A href="http://www.eset.com/">http://www.eset.com</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2 color000000?> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>




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