---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/26/06: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:00 AM - AC motor (Ray Mansfield) 2. 07:11 AM - Fw: 500B (Donnie Rose) 3. 07:25 AM - FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (Bob Steele) 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Fw: 500B (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 5. 08:59 AM - Door cable (Tom Fisher) 6. 09:08 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (Tom Fisher) 7. 09:31 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (nico css) 8. 09:48 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (Tom Fisher) 9. 10:02 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (John Vormbaum) 10. 10:46 AM - Re: Door cable (David Owens) 11. 10:56 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (nico css) 12. 10:57 AM - Help! Need props for 520! (Bruce Campbell) 13. 11:35 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (steve2) 14. 11:50 AM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (steve2) 15. 01:50 PM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 16. 01:53 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 17. 02:25 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (John Vormbaum) 18. 04:09 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (Robert S. Randazzo) 19. 05:00 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! () 20. 07:48 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 21. 08:16 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (John Vormbaum) 22. 10:11 PM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:06 AM PST US From: "Ray Mansfield" Subject: Commander-List: AC motor Hello, Still looking for an electric motor for an Aero Commander air conditioning system. I fly a 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM Conversion and the motor has burned out. The system is similar to that in a turbo commander. If you know where a motor can be bought please let me know. This is the third motor to go out in 5-6 years. If anyone has experience with this system let me know what you think may be causing this. The system works fine when the motor is working. Thanks. Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:31 AM PST US From: Donnie Rose Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose --- Donnie Rose wrote: > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose > Subject: 500B > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > medallion? > > Thank you, > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:42 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm From: "Bob Steele" Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 _____ ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:53 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B --> Commander-List message posted by: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" I also need one for my 680F. Thanks, Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B --> Commander-List message posted by: Donnie Rose --- Donnie Rose wrote: > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose > Subject: 500B > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > medallion? > > Thank you, > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:27 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Commander-List: Door cable Hi folks, Does anyone know where a door cable might be found (new or used) part # 4-DNL-125-A-72. Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Mansfield To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: AC motor Hello, Still looking for an electric motor for an Aero Commander air conditioning system. I fly a 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM Conversion and the motor has burned out. The system is similar to that in a turbo commander. If you know where a motor can be bought please let me know. This is the third motor to go out in 5-6 years. If anyone has experience with this system let me know what you think may be causing this. The system works fine when the motor is working. Thanks. Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:38 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:41 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 _____ **************************************************************************** **** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** **************************************************************************** **** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:44 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:41 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I think he was thanking Ted Smith, the brilliant designer of our airplanes ;-). /J do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:00 AM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door cable Check with the guy that has all... Harry! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:09 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Sorry to burst your bubble, Tom, I was thanking Ted Smith! :-D _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 _____ **************************************************************************** **** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** **************************************************************************** **** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:55 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! From: Bruce Campbell Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:30 AM PST US From: "steve2" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Same when one of our clevises (clevi?) broke and disconnected a retract cylinder.. Gear descended and locked only after speed was reduced. Found more cracked clevi during gear rebuild this year. Also, some retention pins had cocked in the gear and scored the hell out of the inner wall of strut cylinders. They are available, but you can buy an airplane for the price of them. (There is a shop rebuilding them.) Found the tiniest of leaks in the nitrogen system lines that would take a couple weeks to leak down, but was a pain in the ass. The guys used freon and a sniffer. Man is that thing sensitive. Our nitrogen pressure gauge stuck before and after a rebuild of the gauge. Standard preflight includes a sharp tap on the thing to get it to return to where it belongs. I suppose I'd miss having to tap it if it ever works right again. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:03 AM PST US From: "steve2" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Don't know if it helps any, but there is (was) a fellow in our neck of the woods that had several sets of rebuildable Queen Air props for a decent price. We were looking for them because we had briefly kicked around the idea of picking up that 720 for sale as another camera platform. Quite a lot was done to it, but it did need the props tended to. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:15 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Had a hydrolic line shear off in the wheel well just after take-off in a 500B. Emergency checklist slow her down and whala...another thanks to Ted on a superb design. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "nico css" Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ******************************************************************************** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ******************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
Had a hydrolic line shear off in the wheel well just after take-off in a 500B.  Emergency checklist slow her down and whala...another thanks to Ted on a superb design. 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>

Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design.

I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted!

 

 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm

 

I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there.  I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service.  Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down.  I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights.

 

Tom F,

C-GISS

680FLP (Mr.RPM)

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Steele

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM

Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm

 

 

Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check

Bill D  9/25

 

******************************************************************************** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ******************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 < /P>

 
 
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________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:09 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B
How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity?
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>

Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine.  The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with?

 

         Bruce Campbell

         AC520 N4186B
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:21 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:11 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Sounds like it might be time to drive your car into the prop on the right side of the airplane, then back up around the left side and hit the other one....then call the insurance company. :-) (Just kidding- for anyone involved in the insurance industry...it was humor based upon the premise of how difficult it would be to hit both sides.... really....humor....) now Bruce- if you happen to figure out how to make that happen- I'd prefer I not hear about it. hahahah... Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 14:25 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1777 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:13 PM PST US From: "" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Dont know if you shopped around but I just had mine overhauled and found a wide range of prices and expertise. Might be worth a call to H&H Props 800-334-6437. Phil Stubbs ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell Sent: 9/26/2006 2:02:47 PM Subject: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:03 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa!
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props.
 
That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair.
 
/John
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520!

How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity?
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>

Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine.  The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with?

 

         Bruce Campbell

         AC520 N4186B







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________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:35 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! $63K!!!!! What are they made out of, platinum? ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:47 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! I figure they must have a diamond coating of some sort! Thats outta control! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" $63K!!!!! What are they made out of, platinum? ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
I figure they must have a diamond coating of some sort!  Thats outta control!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
$63K!!!!! What are they made out of, platinum?
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520!

Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa!
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props.
 
That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair.
 
/John
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520!

How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity?
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>

Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine.  The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with?

 

         Bruce Campbell

         AC520 N4186B







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