---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/27/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:30 AM - Re: Help! Need props for 520! (MASON Chevaillier) 2. 08:39 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (Tom Fisher) 3. 09:27 AM - Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm (Tom Fisher) 4. 09:31 AM - Re: Door cable (Tom Fisher) 5. 10:43 AM - Pneumatic Pressure Guage (CloudCraft@aol.com) 6. 10:56 AM - Re: Pneumatic Pressure Guage (Tom Fisher) 7. 11:18 AM - Commander 500b Spinner assembly (Dennis) 8. 11:32 AM - Prop Spinner (Dennis) 9. 11:40 AM - Re: Pneumatic Pressure Guage (CloudCraft@aol.com) 10. 02:24 PM - Too much fun! (Bob Steele) 11. 02:46 PM - Re: Too much fun! (Bill Bow) 12. 07:32 PM - Volt Ammeter for sale (Dennis) 13. 09:16 PM - Re: Too much fun! (Andrew & Bridget Watson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:15 AM PST US From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! --> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON Chevaillier" for queenair parts call falcon aviation in lawrencevill, ga. next to atlanta. mason >From: "Robert S. Randazzo" >To: >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:08:45 -0700 > >Sounds like it might be time to drive your car into the prop on the right >side of the airplane, then back up around the left side and hit the other >one....then call the insurance company. :-) > >(Just kidding- for anyone involved in the insurance industry...it was humor >based upon the premise of how difficult it would be to hit both sides.... >really....humor....) > >now Bruce- if you happen to figure out how to make that happen- I'd prefer >I >not hear about it. hahahah... > >Rob > > > _____ > >From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John >Vormbaum >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 14:25 >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! > > >There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of >my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. > >That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per >pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. > >/John > >----- Original Message ----- >From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! > >How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of >curiousity? > > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Bruce Campbell > > >Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The >blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. >That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props >that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they >would be willing to part with? > > > Bruce Campbell > > AC520 N4186B > > >ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > >__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > >__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > >__________ NOD32 1.1777 (20060926) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:24 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Silly me. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vormbaum To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I think he was thanking Ted Smith, the brilliant designer of our airplanes ;-). /J do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:43 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I think the gauge should have a dump valve immediately before the gauge just to dump what is in the gauge, in that way the needle would drop to zero and then back up to current pressure. The amount of loss might mean a quick top up every couple of months. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: steve2 To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Same when one of our clevises (clevi?) broke and disconnected a retract cylinder.. Gear descended and locked only after speed was reduced. Found more cracked clevi during gear rebuild this year. Also, some retention pins had cocked in the gear and scored the hell out of the inner wall of strut cylinders. They are available, but you can buy an airplane for the price of them. (There is a shop rebuilding them.) Found the tiniest of leaks in the nitrogen system lines that would take a couple weeks to leak down, but was a pain in the ass. The guys used freon and a sniffer. Man is that thing sensitive. Our nitrogen pressure gauge stuck before and after a rebuild of the gauge. Standard preflight includes a sharp tap on the thing to get it to return to where it belongs. I suppose I'd miss having to tap it if it ever works right again. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:25 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door cable I have gotten a number of things from Harry, I sent him an Email and left a message but no luck so far. I do owe him $110.00 but I'm pretty sure that is not an issue with him. I have now committed myself to a used cable for 50% the price of new which I believe equates to $150.00 plus 1 hour of labour to pull it from a 690A. I'm sure Harry could do better but too late now. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Owens To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door cable Check with the guy that has all... Harry! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:01 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Pneumatic Pressure Guage In a message dated 27-Sep-06 09:30:49 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: I think the gauge should have a dump valve immediately before the gauge just to dump what is in the gauge, in that way the needle would drop to zero and then back up to current pressure. The amount of loss might mean a quick top up every couple of months. Ted would be impressed, Tom. Your idea has a very important (if not hidden) benefit. The dump valve could also reveal hydraulic fluid getting into the pneumatic system via a rupture in either outboard landing gear actuator. This would also mean that nitrogen under pressure could work its way into the hydraulic side of a MLG actuator and hydrostatically lock it at worst, or slow down its operation, at least. Until someone comes up with a purge valve for the pneumatic guage, it's a good idea to release some pressure via the Schraeder valve with a tissue held over it to chek for traces of hydraulic fluid. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:37 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pneumatic Pressure Guage Well my father (long gone now) used to always say when I came up with some idea "If it was a good idea, someone would have already thought of it", pretty sad eh? I believe that it is expected to have Skydrol vapour in the nitrogen area because the O-rings specified for the nitrogen system are Skyrol O-rings tolerant. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Commander-List: Pneumatic Pressure Guage In a message dated 27-Sep-06 09:30:49 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: I think the gauge should have a dump valve immediately before the gauge just to dump what is in the gauge, in that way the needle would drop to zero and then back up to current pressure. The amount of loss might mean a quick top up every couple of months. Ted would be impressed, Tom. Your idea has a very important (if not hidden) benefit. The dump valve could also reveal hydraulic fluid getting into the pneumatic system via a rupture in either outboard landing gear actuator. This would also mean that nitrogen under pressure could work its way into the hydraulic side of a MLG actuator and hydrostatically lock it at worst, or slow down its operation, at least. Until someone comes up with a purge valve for the pneumatic guage, it's a good idea to release some pressure via the Schraeder valve with a tissue held over it to chek for traces of hydraulic fluid. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:53 AM PST US From: "Dennis" <28bravo@comcast.net> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 500b Spinner assembly Prop spinner and bulkhead assembly for 500B and 500U ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:55 AM PST US From: "Dennis" <28bravo@comcast.net> Subject: Commander-List: Prop Spinner forgot the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item= 150039706267&ih=005&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:45 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pneumatic Pressure Guage In a message dated 27-Sep-06 11:00:44 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca writes: I believe that it is expected to have Skydrol vapour in the nitrogen area because the O-rings specified for the nitrogen system are Skyrol O-rings tolerant. I'm not sure that's true, but I am not a mechanic, nor am I an O-ring. The O-rings in the pneudraulic (outboard) actuators will have Skydrol on one side of them, so they'll need to be Skydrol tolerant. If there's Skydrol tolerant O-rings further downstream in the pneumatic system, then, yes, there may be some fluid/condensation anticipated -- but beware of the nitrogen bottle collecting fluid. I think there's guys here who know way more about the subtleties of this than I do ... Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:29 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Too much fun! From: "Bob Steele" -----Original Message----- From: BillLeff@aol.com [mailto:BillLeff@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: 747 Drag Races... http://www.hackermovies.de/moviefiles/HM_RacingBeats.wmv ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:16 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Too much fun! I wish the windows DID roll down. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Steele Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Commander-List: Too much fun! -----Original Message----- From: BillLeff@aol.com [mailto:BillLeff@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: 747 Drag Races... http://www.hackermovies.de/moviefiles/HM_RacingBeats.wmv ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:44 PM PST US From: "Dennis" <28bravo@comcast.net> Subject: Commander-List: Volt Ammeter for sale http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item= 150039832461&ih=005&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:52 PM PST US From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Too much fun! I guess that's what happens when the co-pilot drives... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Commander-List: Too much fun! -----Original Message----- From: BillLeff@aol.com [mailto:BillLeff@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:05 PM To: Bob Steele Subject: Fwd: Fw: 747 Drag Races... http://www.hackermovies.de/moviefiles/HM_RacingBeats.wmv