---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/31/06: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:46 AM - Re: Nose wheel problems () 2. 12:00 PM - Re: Nose wheel problems (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 3. 01:42 PM - Twin Rating + Commander Time in Melbourne (Steve N=?ISO-8859-1?B?+vE=?=ez) 4. 04:06 PM - Re: Nose wheel problems (BillLeff1@aol.com) 5. 04:08 PM - Re: Nose wheel problems (BillLeff1@aol.com) 6. 07:41 PM - Re: Nose wheel problems (Jim Addington) 7. 07:53 PM - Re: Nose wheel problems (Robert S. Randazzo) 8. 08:15 PM - Re: Nose wheel problems (Jim Addington) 9. 11:30 PM - Re: Nose wheel problems (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 10. 11:39 PM - Re: Nose wheel problems (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:37 AM PST US From: "" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems --> Commander-List message posted by: "" When I brought mine home had a similar problem. Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction. The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual. After doing these it steers like a dream. Phil Stubbs > [Original Message] > From: Jim Addington > To: > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > Matt, > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I had > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three green > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left. > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green lights > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports were > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but, > thought I would pass it on any way. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > 500A > > > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins" > > > > > > Hey all- > > > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the > > Commander here at Georgetown. > > > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and > > full throttle on the left engine. > > > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very > > little (if any) pressure on the ram. > > > > Checked for air in cylinder - nothing. > > > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to > > the ram? > > > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet! > > > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand. > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine. > > > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high > > pressure. > > > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It > > goes away at around 1500 RPM. > > > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection. > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real > > problem right now. > > > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very > > familiar with the tricky steering. > > > > All suggestions appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > ******************** > > Matthew Hawkins > > Director, Marine Ops > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > > 302-645-4341 > > FAX: 302-645-4006 > > hawkins@udel.edu > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:21 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+commander -------------- Original message -------------- From: "" > --> Commander-List message posted by: "" > > When I brought mine home had a similar problem. > Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on > the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction. > The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure > adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual. > After doing these it steers like a dream. > > Phil Stubbs > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jim Addington > > To: > > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > > > Matt, > > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I > had > > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three > green > > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left. > > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green > lights > > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports > were > > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting > > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but, > > thought I would pass it on any way. > > > > Jim Addington > > N444BD > > 500A > > > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins" > > > > > > > > > Hey all- > > > > > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just > > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the > > > Commander here at Georgetown. > > > > > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is > > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not > > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and > > > full throttle on the left engine. > > > > > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very > > > little (if any) pressure on the ram. > > > > > > Checked for air in cylinder - nothing. > > > > > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass > > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to > > > the ram? > > > > > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet! > > > > > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the > > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand. > > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine. > > > > > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high > > > pressure. > > > > > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between > > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It > > > goes away at around 1500 RPM. > > > > > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection. > > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real > > > problem right now. > > > > > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling > > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has > > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very > > > familiar with the tricky steering. > > > > > > All suggestions appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > ******************** > > > Matthew Hawkins > > > Director, Marine Ops > > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > > > 302-645-4341 > > > FAX: 302-645-4006 > > > hawkins@udel.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit.
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil@mindspring.com>

> --> Commander-List message posted by: ""
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins"
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 302-645-4006
> > > hawkins@udel.edu
& gt; &g List
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:08 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Twin Rating + Commander Time in Melbourne From: Steve N=?ISO-8859-1?B?+vE=?=ez To all of you =8Cdown under=B9: I=B9m going to be in Melbourne for the next 3-6 months, and would love to get a twin rating and some experience in a commander. I=B9ve got an American PPL (SEL). I know about the license conversion process, but need a flight schoo l & instructor who can sign me off to take the air law test. Once that=B9s done , I want to get the twin rating & commander hours. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to go? Regards, - Steve ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:35 PM PST US From: BillLeff1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Check your nose wheel steering collar for wear on the upper and lower surfaces. Also the strut could have to much wear. If it has too much clearance it will cock when steering one direction. Bill Leff ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:06 PM PST US From: BillLeff1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Check your nose wheel steering collar for wear on the upper and lower surfaces. Also the strut could have to much wear. If it has too much clearance it will cock when steering one direction. Bill Leff ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:47 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems That was a nice video, really enjoyed it. Jim Addington N444BD 500A ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+co mmander -------------- Original message -------------- From: "" > --> Commander-List message posted by: "" > > When I brought mine home had a similar problem. > Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on > the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction. > The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure > adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual. > After doing these it steers like a dream. > > Phil Stubbs > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jim Addington > > To: > > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > > > > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > > > Matt, > > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I > had > > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three > green > > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left. > > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green > lights > > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports > were > > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting > > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but, > > thought I would pass it on any way. > > > > Jim Addington > > N444BD > > 500A > > > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > ; > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins" > > > > > > > > > Hey all- > > > > > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just > > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the > > > Commander here at Georgetown. > > > > > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is > > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not > > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and > > > full throttle on the left engine. > > > > > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very > > > little (if any) pressure on the ram. > > > > > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing. > > > > > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass > > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to > > > the ram? > > > > > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet! > > > > > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the > > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand. > > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine. > > > > > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high > > > pressure. > > > > > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between > > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It > > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M. > > > > > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection. > > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real > > > problem right now. > > > > > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling > > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has > > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very > > > familiar with the tricky steering. > > > > > > All suggestions appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > ******************** > > > Matthew Hawkins > > > Director, Marine Ops > > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > > > 302-645-4341 > > > FAX: 302-645-4006 > > > hawkins@udel.edu & gt; &g List ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:00 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Jim- It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show signs of corrosion tho... hahahah Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems That was a nice video, really enjoyed it. Jim Addington N444BD 500A ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937 &q=aero+commander -------------- Original message -------------- From: "" > --> Commander-List message posted by: "" > > When I brought mine home had a similar problem. > Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on > the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction. > The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure > adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual. > After doing these it steers like a dream. > > Phil Stubbs > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jim Addington > > To: > > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > > > > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > > > Matt, > > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I > had > > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three > green > > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left. > > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green > lights > > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports > were > > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting > > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but, > > thought I would pass it on any way. > > > > Jim Addington > > N444BD > > 500A > > > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > ; > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins" > > > > > > > > > Hey all- > > > > > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just > > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the > > > Commander here at Georgetown. > > > > > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is > > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not > > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and > > > full throttle on the left engine. > > > > > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very > > > little (if any) pressure on the ram. > > > > > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing. > > > > > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass > > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to > > > the ram? > > > > > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet! > > > > > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the > > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand. > > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine. > > > > > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high > > > pressure. > > > > > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between > > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It > > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M. > > > > > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection. > > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real > > > problem right now. > > > > > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling > > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has > > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very > > > familiar with the tricky steering. > > > > > > All suggestions appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > ******************** > > > Matthew Hawkins > > > Director, Marine Ops > > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > > > 302-645-4341 > > > FAX: 302-645-4006 > > > hawkins@udel.edu & gt; &g List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:44 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems I noticed, it was sad. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Jim- It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show signs of corrosion tho... hahahah Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41 To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems That was a nice video, really enjoyed it. Jim Addington N444BD 500A ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+co mmander -------------- Original message -------------- From: "" > --> Commander-List message posted by: "" > > When I brought mine home had a similar problem. > Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on > the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction. > The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure > adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual. > After doing these it steers like a dream. > > Phil Stubbs > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jim Addington > > To: > > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > > > > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > > > Matt, > > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I > had > > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three > green > > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left. > > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green > lights > > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports > were > > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting > > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but, > > thought I would pass it on any way. > > > > Jim Addington > > N444BD > > 500A > > > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > ; > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins" > > > > > > > > > Hey all- > > > > > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just > > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the > > > Commander here at Georgetown. > > > > > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is > > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not > > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and > > > full throttle on the left engine. > > > > > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very > > > little (if any) pressure on the ram. > > > > > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing. > > > > > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass > > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to > > > the ram? > > > > > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet! > > > > > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the > > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand. > > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine. > > > > > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high > > > pressure. > > > > > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between > > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It > > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M. > > > > > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection. > > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real > > > problem right now. > > > > > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling > > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has > > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very > > > familiar with the tricky steering. > > > > > > All suggestions appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > ******************** > > > Matthew Hawkins > > > Director, Marine Ops > > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > > > 302-645-4341 > > > FAX: 302-645-4006 > > > hawkins@udel.edu & gt; &g List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:00 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems no corrosion here... MS Flight sim http://www.aoc.noaa.gov/Snow%20Survey%20HI-RES.wmv -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim Addington" I noticed, it was sad. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Jim- It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show signs of corrosion tho... hahahah Rob From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems That was a nice video, really enjoyed it. Jim Addington N444BD 500A ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+commander -------------- Original message -------------- From: "" > --> Commander-List message posted by: "" > > When I brought mine home had a similar problem. > Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on > the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction. > The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure > adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual. > After doing these it steers like a dream. > > Phil Stubbs > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jim Addington > > To: > > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > > > > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > > > Matt, > > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I > had > > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three > green > > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left. > > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green > lights > > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports > were > > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting > > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but, > > thought I would pass it on any way. > > > > Jim Addington > > N444BD > > 500A > > > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems > ; > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins" > > > > > > > > > Hey all- > > > > > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just > > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the > > > Commander here at Georgetown. > > > > > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is > > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not > > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and > > > full throttle on the left engine. > > > > > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very > > > little (if any) pressure on the ram. > > > > > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing. > > > > > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass > > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to > > > the ram? > > > > > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet! > > > > > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the > > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand. > > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine. > > > > > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high > > > pressure. > > > > > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between > > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It > > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M. > > > > > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection. > > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real > > > problem right now. > > > > > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling > > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has > > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very > > > familiar with the tricky steering. > > > > > > All suggestions appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > ******************** > > > Matthew Hawkins > > > Director, Marine Ops > > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > > > 302-645-4341 > > > FAX: 302-645-4006 > > > hawkins@udel.edu & gt; &g List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
no corrosion here...
MS Flight sim
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I noticed, it was sad.
 
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems

Jim-
 
It was....  tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show signs of corrosion tho...   hahahah
 
Rob
 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems

 
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems

Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit.
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil@mindspring.com>

> --> Commander-List message posted by: ""
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel probl ems > >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Subj ect: C ommander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins"
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief val ve are . It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 3 02-645 -4006
> > > hawkins@udel.edu
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:42 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems OK, the real thing. http://www.aviationspeakers.com/Speakers/bob-hoover.php -------------- Original message -------------- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net no corrosion here... MS Flight sim http://www.aoc.noaa.gov/Snow%20Survey%20HI-RES.wmv -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim Addington" I noticed, it was sad. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Jim- It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show signs of corrosion tho... hahahah Rob From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems That was a nice video, really enjoyed it. Jim Addington N444BD 500A ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+commander -------------- Original message -------------- From: "" > --> Commander-List message posted by: "" > > When I brought mine home had a similar problem. > Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on > the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction. > The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure > adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual. > After doing these it steers like a dream. > > Phil Stubbs > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jim Addington > > To: > > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel probl ems > > > > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington" > > > > > Matt, > > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I > had > > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three > green > > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left. > > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green > lights > > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports > were > > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting > > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but, > > thought I would pass it on any way. > > > > Jim Addington > > N444BD > > 500A > > > > > > Subj ect: C ommander-List: Nose wheel problems > ; > > > > > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins" > > > > > > > > > Hey all- > > > > > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just > > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the > > > Commander here at Georgetown. > > > > > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is > > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not > > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and > > > full throttle on the left engine. > > > > > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very > > > little (if any) pressure on the ram. > > > > > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing. > > > > > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass > > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to > > > the ram? > > > > > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet! > > > > > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the > > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand. > > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine. > > > > > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high > > > pressure. > > > > > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between > > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief val ve are . It > > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M. > > > > > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection. > > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real > > > problem right now. > > > > > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling > > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has > > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very > > > familiar with the tricky steering. > > > > > > All suggestions appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Matt > > > > > > ******************** > > > Matthew Hawkins > > > Director, Marine Ops > > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > > > 302-645-4341 > > > FAX: 3 02-645 -4006 > > > hawkins@udel.edu & gt; &g List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
OK, the real thing. 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
no corrosion here...
MS Flight sim
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
I noticed, it was sad.
 
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems

Jim-
 
It was....  tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show signs of corrosion tho...   hahahah
 
Rob
 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems

 
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems

Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit.
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil@mindspring.com>

> --> Commander-List message posted by: ""
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel probl ems < B R>> >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Su bj ect : C ommander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins"
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
& gt; > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief val v e are . It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 3 02-645 -4006
> > > hawkins@udel.edu
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