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0. 12:11 AM - If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (Matt Dralle)
1. 09:28 PM - Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:49 AM - Tires (Gary Moshluk)
3. 06:36 AM - Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (OldBob Siegfried)
4. 08:27 AM - Fw: Twin Commander N47RR (cloudcraft@aol.com)
5. 10:14 AM - Re: Idaho (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: Fw: Twin Commander N47RR (Harry Merritt)
7. 04:11 PM - Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (W J R HAMILTON)
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| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info@matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
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I have a set of 12 ply 8.50 x 10 retreads for sale. They are on
Goodyear tubeless cores.
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| Subject: | Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Good Morning Matt,
Well, there is either something wrong with your new
program or I made some mistake when I sent my
contribution!
Could you let me know whether or not you did receive
the contribution I made?
I recieved a confirmation of my creit card
contribution on 11/06/06 at 06:34:34 AM.
The contribution serial number is listed as:
11-06-06.6:14:34.23053.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Robert W. Siegfried
--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
> <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> If you received this particular Matronics List Email
> message, its because you haven't yet made a
> Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
> first PBS-like funds drive message under the new
> distribution system. The new system selectively
> sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
> that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this
> year to support the continued operation and upgrade
> of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS
> worked that way? :-)
>
> You heard that right. Once you make your
> Contribution, these support requests messages during
> November will suddenly stop coming to your personal
> email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited
> about the new feature. I've wanted to implement
> something like this for a number of years now, but
> it was always such a daunting task to modify the
> back-end List processing code, that I just kept
> putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided
> to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it
> to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
> system!
>
> Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do
> appreciate each and every one of your individual
> Contributions to support the Lists. It is your
> support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and
> software that are required to run a List Site like
> this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade
> Internet connection and to pay the rather huge
> electric bill to keep the computer gear running and
> the air conditioner powered up.
>
> Your personal Contribution matters because when
> combined with other Listers such as yourself, it
> pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
> accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the
> Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads
> and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on
> the Internet these days and I particularly don't
> want to have it on my Email List site. I'm pretty
> sure you don't either.
>
> If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots,
> down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please
> make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Thank you!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com
> Admin.
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR |
-----Original Message-----
From: cloudcraft@aol.com
To: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Cole, Sir Barry, all,
Sorry for the late reply. I'm at FlightSafety this week, recurrent on the F
alcon and haven't had much time for email.
I see that the world keeps spinning without me and there's lots of excellen
t info going your way, Cole.
If I may editorialize: N47RR was North Las Vegas based and when I did a qui
ck survey for Tylor Hall, I was mighy impressed with it. If I had the money
and lost all common sense, I would have bought it then and there.
Now to get myself sued for libel: The aircraft did have a maintenence induc
ed gear collapse and did have a prop strike.
When I asked the owner of the facility if he was going to tear down the eng
ine, his response was, "The prop only dug into the pavement one half inch."
Ok ... that's a criteria that I was not aware of.
Also, please note that the prop strike came to my attention when I drove by
the spot next to the mx hangar where N47RR was parked I had to stop and loo
k because it appeared that a Q-Tip prop was installed on the right but not o
n the left.
After peering through the fence, I realized it was not a Q tip but bent bla
des from ground contact.
Also, there was damage to the belly and an antenna (ADF, I think) was crush
ed. That was repaired, but for non-pressurized ferry, if I remember correclt
y.
One item that was (yet another) red flag was how proud this fellow was of h
is paint touch up on the upper aft fuselage ... just aft of the leaking Skyd
rol reservoir that was still leaking. Why paint a section of aircraft that i
s getting sprayed with paint stripper -- without fixing the Skydrol leak? I'
m still interested in that answer.
This was 3+ years ago, Gentlemen, and the airplane has traveled, been worke
d on and who knows what has been / and needs to be done.
Truly a project airplane, it did have a good history before coming out of s
emi storage and seemed to be an outstanding specimen of a MR RPM-FLP.
I'm getting called back into the box, so must sign off for now.
Good luck!
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
To: Texan@austin.rr.com; bertberry1@aol.com; CloudCraft@aol.com; tylor.hall
@sbcglobal.net; nico@cybersuperstore.com; tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca; moe@
rosspistons.com
Cc: YOURTCFG@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Hello Cole, I'm not going to be able to help you much, but at this stag
e I think 'Wing Commander' Gordon (Keith Gordon / CloudCraft), Tom Fisher an
d Tylor Hall will be able to provide some help for you. I have also taken th
e liberty of forwarding your Email to Jim Metzger (a/k/a Capt JimBob) who is
the Director of the Flight Group. He has all the necessary approvals to do
a pre-buy for you and is based in Washougal,WA. I am a mere historian, my
database comprising 89,900 records covering the 3,170 Twin Commanders built.
I have attached an .xls file showing the history of N47RR (680FLP-1477-5) f
or your perusal. However, I knew nothing about the prop strike. I have not
ed a repair undertaken to the lower right fuselage and belly on August 4th 2
004. If you have a date & location for the prop strike, the two may well tie
-in together. On the face of it, the repair could have been because of a gea
r collapse, which could have resulted in the prop strike. If you have any fu
rther info, I can enhance the database accordingly. A search on the NTSB "Ac
cident Database & Synopses" and on the FAA NASDAC "Accident/Incident Data Sy
stem" databases failed to find anything. Very Best Regards, Barry ----
- Original Message ----- From: Cole Reed To: bertberry1@aol.com ; CloudCra
ft@aol.com ; barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk ; tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net ; ni
co@cybersuperstore.com ; tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ; moe@rosspistons.com
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Twin Commander N47RR
Gentlemen, I=99ve been monitoring your discussion of AC680FL-P N4
7RR Your forums have been remarkably educational on the topic of Commander
s in general as well as this specific bird. As with one of your members, I
am interested in possibly bidding for N47RR. Based on the write-up, it soun
ds too good to be true. I spoke with the owner a few days ago, I believe h
e identified himself as Ralph71yrs old, heart attack 5 yrs ago, can
cer/chemo 2 yrs agoselling the plane because he lost his medical an
d cant afford to have it sitting around waiting on him to get his wings back
. That=99s either a very sad twist of fate.or a cunning sales
ploy. I hate to be cynical, but I have to be conscious of the potential.
I=99ve often been accused of researching a project to death, but I
=99m fond of thinking that to be better than death resulting from the LAC
K of research. I=99m concerned that the seller has taken some effort
to conceal the tail number in his auction. I=99m concerned that th
e owner and mechanic seem to think that the prop-strike doesn=99t warr
ant a tear-down.I had always thought any strike (prop in motion) me
ans tear-down. I am concerned that the engines may have been sitting so l
ong that it will need an overhaul even though they only have 100 hours each.
Trade a plane has a beautiful 685p listed, but I=99m scared of gear
ed engines, and I=99m not quite ready to step up to a turbine 690 or h
igher. I have no real-world experience with the Twin Commander family
..but aside from nasty wing-spar flaws scatter throughout the various
modelseverywhere I turn I hear that they are basically the ultimate
flying machine. To complicate my decision-making even morethe 68
0FL-P-Mr.RPM seems to be a very rare bird and as such is very difficult to g
et a read on comparable market value. I don=99t want to rush into a
bad-deal, but I also don=99t want to second-guess myself out of a good
deal. I seek your opinions. I completely understand that they are merely
personal opinions and that none of you have intimate familiarity with N47RR.
I will not base any decision based solely upon your feedbackblah
blahblah Essentially I=99m just looking f
or advice, insight, warnings, etc that may help me sleep better with my deci
sion. Am I worried about the right things? Are there critical issues I hav
en=99t mentioned but should be cautious of? What is the ESTIMATED mark
et value of a plane COMPARABLE to N47RR. I=99m eager to learn more
..teach me wise-one=99s. Thank you for your time, Cole Re
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In a message dated 11/7/2006 5:38:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
steveg@nternet.com writes:
Are there any Idaho Attorneys on the list? If so, please contact me off
list.
Steve, i was born and raised in Idaho and still have some business contacts
there. I am not an attorney, but might be able to help you find one. jb
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR |
For your information, the is a AD that covers the prop strike, It has
been completed.
There are no skydrol leaks in this aircraft,
The repairs to the belly damage war repaired to the latest SRM / 43.13
requirements, using all available factory parts
We Purchase a set of used props, these were not the prop that hit the
asphalt, 6-New Blades
R-12 AC system that works
Cleveland's
Winglet's
Flap Gap Seals
New Ant. that were damaged.
Pressure system fully operational 3.2 system
Both Vacuum Pumps New
All new Mags
New Tires
Fuel injection rebuilt on right side
all New 124 hoses with viton hose inserts
Fresh IFR Inspection
Fresh Annual inspection
Just Weighted.
We want you to come and look at aircraft
this is the nicest MR. RPM in the world
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message
From: cloudcraft@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR
-----Original Message-----
From: cloudcraft@aol.com
To: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Cole, Sir Barry, all,
Sorry for the late reply. I'm at FlightSafety this week, recurrent on
the Falcon and haven't had much time for email.
I see that the world keeps spinning without me and there's lots of
excellent info going your way, Cole.
If I may editorialize: N47RR was North Las Vegas based and when I did
a quick survey for Tylor Hall, I was mighy impressed with it. If I had
the money and lost all common sense, I would have bought it then and
there.
Now to get myself sued for libel: The aircraft did have a maintenence
induced gear collapse and did have a prop strike.
When I asked the owner of the facility if he was going to tear down
the engine, his response was, "The prop only dug into the pavement one
half inch." Ok ... that's a criteria that I was not aware of.
Also, please note that the prop strike came to my attention when I
drove by the spot next to the mx hangar where N47RR was parked I had to
stop and look because it appeared that a Q-Tip prop was installed on the
right but not on the left.
After peering through the fence, I realized it was not a Q tip but
bent blades from ground contact.
Also, there was damage to the belly and an antenna (ADF, I think) was
crushed. That was repaired, but for non-pressurized ferry, if I
remember correclty.
One item that was (yet another) red flag was how proud this fellow was
of his paint touch up on the upper aft fuselage ... just aft of the
leaking Skydrol reservoir that was still leaking. Why paint a section
of aircraft that is getting sprayed with paint stripper -- without
fixing the Skydrol leak? I'm still interested in that answer.
This was 3+ years ago, Gentlemen, and the airplane has traveled, been
worked on and who knows what has been / and needs to be done.
Truly a project airplane, it did have a good history before coming out
of semi storage and seemed to be an outstanding specimen of a MR
RPM-FLP.
I'm getting called back into the box, so must sign off for now.
Good luck!
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
To: Texan@austin.rr.com; bertberry1@aol.com; CloudCraft@aol.com;
tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net; nico@cybersuperstore.com;
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca; moe@rosspistons.com
Cc: YOURTCFG@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Hello Cole,
I'm not going to be able to help you much, but at this stage I think
'Wing Commander' Gordon (Keith Gordon / CloudCraft), Tom Fisher and
Tylor Hall will be able to provide some help for you. I have also taken
the liberty of forwarding your Email to Jim Metzger (a/k/a Capt JimBob)
who is the Director of the Flight Group. He has all the necessary
approvals to do a pre-buy for you and is based in Washougal,WA.
I am a mere historian, my database comprising 89,900 records covering
the 3,170 Twin Commanders built. I have attached an .xls file showing
the history of N47RR (680FLP-1477-5) for your perusal.
However, I knew nothing about the prop strike. I have noted a repair
undertaken to the lower right fuselage and belly on August 4th 2004. If
you have a date & location for the prop strike, the two may well tie-in
together. On the face of it, the repair could have been because of a
gear collapse, which could have resulted in the prop strike. If you have
any further info, I can enhance the database accordingly. A search on
the NTSB "Accident Database & Synopses" and on the FAA NASDAC
"Accident/Incident Data System" databases failed to find anything.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Cole Reed
To: bertberry1@aol.com ; CloudCraft@aol.com ;
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk ; tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net ;
nico@cybersuperstore.com ; tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca ;
moe@rosspistons.com
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: Twin Commander N47RR
Gentlemen,
I=99ve been monitoring your discussion of AC680FL-P N47RR
Your forums have been remarkably educational on the topic of
Commanders in general as well as this specific bird.
As with one of your members, I am interested in possibly bidding for
N47RR. Based on the write-up, it sounds too good to be true.
I spoke with the owner a few days ago, I believe he identified
himself as Ralph71yrs old, heart attack 5 yrs ago, cancer/chemo
2 yrs agoselling the plane because he lost his medical and cant
afford to have it sitting around waiting on him to get his wings back.
That=99s either a very sad twist of fate.or a cunning
sales ploy. I hate to be cynical, but I have to be conscious of the
potential.
I=99ve often been accused of researching a project to death,
but I=99m fond of thinking that to be better than death resulting
from the LACK of research.
I=99m concerned that the seller has taken some effort to
conceal the tail number in his auction.
I=99m concerned that the owner and mechanic seem to think that
the prop-strike doesn=99t warrant a tear-down.I had
always thought any strike (prop in motion) means tear-down.
I am concerned that the engines may have been sitting so long that
it will need an overhaul even though they only have 100 hours each.
Trade a plane has a beautiful 685p listed, but I=99m scared of
geared engines, and I=99m not quite ready to step up to a turbine
690 or higher.
I have no real-world experience with the Twin Commander
family..but aside from nasty wing-spar flaws scatter throughout
the various modelseverywhere I turn I hear that they are
basically the ultimate flying machine.
To complicate my decision-making even morethe
680FL-P-Mr.RPM seems to be a very rare bird and as such is very
difficult to get a read on comparable market value.
I don=99t want to rush into a bad-deal, but I also
don=99t want to second-guess myself out of a good deal.
I seek your opinions. I completely understand that they are merely
personal opinions and that none of you have intimate familiarity with
N47RR. I will not base any decision based solely upon your
feedbackblahblahblah
Essentially I=99m just looking for advice, insight, warnings,
etc that may help me sleep better with my decision.
Am I worried about the right things? Are there critical issues I
haven=99t mentioned but should be cautious of? What is the
ESTIMATED market value of a plane COMPARABLE to N47RR.
I=99m eager to learn more..teach me
wise-one=99s.
Thank you for your time,
Cole Reed
Austin Texas
Twin Commander Wanna-be
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| Subject: | Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Matt,
Could you also double check your records for me, I made a
contribution via PayPal, I don't have the details immediately to hand.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
(William J Hamilton @ PayPal)
At 01:36 AM 9/11/2006, you wrote:
><oldbob@beechowners.com>
>
>Good Morning Matt,
>
>Well, there is either something wrong with your new
>program or I made some mistake when I sent my
>contribution!
>
>Could you let me know whether or not you did receive
>the contribution I made?
>
>I recieved a confirmation of my creit card
>contribution on 11/06/06 at 06:34:34 AM.
>
>The contribution serial number is listed as:
> 11-06-06.6:14:34.23053.
>
>Happy Skies,
>
>Old Bob
>AKA
>Robert W. Siegfried
>
>--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
> > <dralle@matronics.com>
> >
> > If you received this particular Matronics List Email
> > message, its because you haven't yet made a
> > Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
> > first PBS-like funds drive message under the new
> > distribution system. The new system selectively
> > sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
> > that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this
> > year to support the continued operation and upgrade
> > of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS
> > worked that way? :-)
> >
> > You heard that right. Once you make your
> > Contribution, these support requests messages during
> > November will suddenly stop coming to your personal
> > email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited
> > about the new feature. I've wanted to implement
> > something like this for a number of years now, but
> > it was always such a daunting task to modify the
> > back-end List processing code, that I just kept
> > putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided
> > to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it
> > to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
> > system!
> >
> > Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do
> > appreciate each and every one of your individual
> > Contributions to support the Lists. It is your
> > support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and
> > software that are required to run a List Site like
> > this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade
> > Internet connection and to pay the rather huge
> > electric bill to keep the computer gear running and
> > the air conditioner powered up.
> >
> > Your personal Contribution matters because when
> > combined with other Listers such as yourself, it
> > pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
> > accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the
> > Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads
> > and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on
> > the Internet these days and I particularly don't
> > want to have it on my Email List site. I'm pretty
> > sure you don't either.
> >
> > If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots,
> > down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please
> > make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > Matronics Email List Administrator
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Click on
> > about
> > provided
> > www.buildersbooks.com
> > Admin.
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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