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1. 03:54 AM - Re: new owner (W J R HAMILTON)
2. 07:12 AM - Re: Props (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Right,forward Aux fuel tank- wingflyer1@aol.com615-373-57... (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
4. 08:06 AM - Re: Props (budplaster@aol.com)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: Props (Bruce Campbell)
6. 10:21 AM - Re: Props (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
7. 01:19 PM - Re: Props (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
8. 02:42 PM - Re: Props (Don Girod)
9. 03:09 PM - Re: Props (Bill Bow)
10. 03:52 PM - Re: Props (Don Girod)
11. 06:08 PM - Props (Gary Moshluk)
12. 09:14 PM - Re: Props (nico css)
13. 11:06 PM - Re: Props (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
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David,
I will see if I can find the AWST article, but it was the
"aftermarket version" as quoted for the first STC, for the big Kingairs.
I nearly feel of the proverbial chair when I say the price.
If you want to talk to me direct, my mobile is 0408 876 526, best
email: <GlenalmondEngineering@gmail.com>
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 03:47 PM 9/12/2006, you wrote:
>Were you looking at the G1000 or the 600 for the King air? $100,000
>sounds a bit rich for the 600.
>
>Dr David Fitzgerald
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>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON
>Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:50 PM
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: new owner
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>David,
>Welcome aboard.
>I have had a look at the proposed pricing for the Kingair, just a
>little frightening, as I recall the figures quoted by Garmin in an
>article in Aviation Week and Space Technology, there would not be
>much change out of AUD$100,000.
>Cheers,
>Bill Hamilton
>AC500A ZK-DCF (but based in Sydney)
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>At 07:04 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote:
>
>Hi
>
>Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of
>AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !!
>
>Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be
>able to be retrofitted to shrikes?
>
>Cheers
>
>David
>
>Dr David Fitzgerald
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What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the
AD`s. Gil
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Thanks, I have contacted them already. Gil
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Gil,
Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do away with
the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that time, with the purchase
of the props in Florida, the shipping and overhauls to a good shop in
Alabama and the shipping from there to me in Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $
13,000. Then, the shop in Florda purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a
doubt, I feel I was treated fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable
mechanical aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO
REGRETS!!
Bud Plaster
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From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props
What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the AD`s. Gil
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Given the prop problems I'm having, would this be applicable to a 520
(probably).....
Bruce
N4186B
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budplaster@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props
Gil,
Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do
away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that
time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and
overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in
Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda
purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated
fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical
aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO
REGRETS!!
Bud Plaster
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From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props
What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the
AD`s. Gil
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Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know
that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and
getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your
commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and
swap
information. Thanks Gil
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Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and high
end $ wise and what if any noteable difference.
thanks...
b
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From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what
I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting
my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as
well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information.
Thanks Gil
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<DIV>Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and
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<DIV>Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that
what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting
my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander
as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information.
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I paid $ 14K plus Capt. Jimbob's STC for mine, 0 hrs. with fresh
overhaul. I was told the old props had no value, I wasn't
as fortunate in that respect as Bud.
Don
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From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props
Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the
low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference.
thanks...
b
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From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to
know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander
owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you
enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get
together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil
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This is probably of little use to the group, but. The AD on mine is 5 years
or 500 hours. I considered eliminating the AD on my props(2 blade) on my
500A. It would cost $5,000./prop. The prop guy pointed out that, at 100
hours per year, I would be throwing money away.
Again, this is on an original 500A.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Girod
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props
I paid $ 14K plus Capt. Jimbob's STC for mine, 0 hrs. with fresh overhaul.
I was told the old props had no value, I wasn't
as fortunate in that respect as Bud.
Don
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From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props
Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and
high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference.
thanks...
b
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From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know
that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner
and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your
commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch
and swap information. Thanks Gil
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I'm a little confused, when Harry put my new props on, I asked about the
value of the old ones and was told they were worthless, had no value.
Mine were out of calendar time, but otherwise OK as far as I know.
Don
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From: budplaster@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props
Gil,
Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do
away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that
time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and
overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in
Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda
purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated
fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical
aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO
REGRETS!!
Bud Plaster
-----Original Message-----
From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props
What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate
the AD`s. Gil
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I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing.
I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S
in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts
prices from Hartzell before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane
has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the
Commander). I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now
officially out of calendar.
I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been
tucked away in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an
intensive effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have
been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone
through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear
trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the
skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD????
Gary Moshluk
aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!)
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(divorce - but kept the Commander)
Good trade, Gary
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Props
I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing.
I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in
Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices
from Hartzell before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane has been
out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander). I have
less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of
calendar.
I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked
away in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an intensive
effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been
overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the
discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except
for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC
that upgrades the props and kills the AD????
Gary Moshluk
aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!)
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I don't know much, but this is what I think I know...Hartzell makes brand new props
for Commanders (very expensive), I found I have this option after talking
to Hatzell today. The time/hours limitation between overhawls on props is a
recommendation just like it is on motors, and of course unless you are a part
135 operator then u must adhear to the overhawls. There is also some type of
Beech Queen Air prop conversion but I don't know anything about it.
Good luck to all with this prop AD hope this helps.
b
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(divorce - but kept the Commander)
Good trade, Gary
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Props
I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing.
I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in Pontiac
Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell
before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service
all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander). I have less than an hour
on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar.
I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away
in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort
to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been overhauled, gear
boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete
(including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation
for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and
kills the AD????
Gary Moshluk
aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!)
www.aeroelectric.com
www.kitlog.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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<DIV>I don't know much, but this is what I think I know...Hartzell makes brand
new props for Commanders (very expensive), I found I have this option after talking
to Hatzell today. The time/hours limitation between overhawls
on props is a recommendation just like it is on motors, and of course
unless you are a part 135 operator then u must adhear to the overhawls.
There is also some type of Beech Queen Air prop conversion but I don't
know anything about it.</DIV>
<DIV>Good luck to all with this prop AD hope this helps.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>b</DIV>
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effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been
overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone
through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear
trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's
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