---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/11/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Re: new owner (W J R HAMILTON) 2. 07:12 AM - Re: Props (WINGFLYER1@aol.com) 3. 07:20 AM - Re: Right,forward Aux fuel tank- wingflyer1@aol.com615-373-57... (WINGFLYER1@aol.com) 4. 08:06 AM - Re: Props (budplaster@aol.com) 5. 08:27 AM - Re: Props (Bruce Campbell) 6. 10:21 AM - Re: Props (WINGFLYER1@aol.com) 7. 01:19 PM - Re: Props (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 8. 02:42 PM - Re: Props (Don Girod) 9. 03:09 PM - Re: Props (Bill Bow) 10. 03:52 PM - Re: Props (Don Girod) 11. 06:08 PM - Props (Gary Moshluk) 12. 09:14 PM - Re: Props (nico css) 13. 11:06 PM - Re: Props (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:59 AM PST US From: W J R HAMILTON Subject: RE: Commander-List: new owner David, I will see if I can find the AWST article, but it was the "aftermarket version" as quoted for the first STC, for the big Kingairs. I nearly feel of the proverbial chair when I say the price. If you want to talk to me direct, my mobile is 0408 876 526, best email: Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 03:47 PM 9/12/2006, you wrote: >Were you looking at the G1000 or the 600 for the King air? $100,000 >sounds a bit rich for the 600. > >Dr David Fitzgerald >BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) >CASA Medical Officer >Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair >Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer >Registrar in Occupational Medicine >DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com >mob 0438 312973 > >---------- >From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON >Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:50 PM >To: commander-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: new owner > >David, >Welcome aboard. >I have had a look at the proposed pricing for the Kingair, just a >little frightening, as I recall the figures quoted by Garmin in an >article in Aviation Week and Space Technology, there would not be >much change out of AUD$100,000. >Cheers, >Bill Hamilton >AC500A ZK-DCF (but based in Sydney) > > >At 07:04 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: > >Hi > >Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of >AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! > >Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be >able to be retrofitted to shrikes? > >Cheers > >David > >Dr David Fitzgerald >BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) >CASA Medical Officer >Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair >Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer >Registrar in Occupational Medicine >DavidFitzgerald@bigpond.com >mob 0438 312973 >-- Date: 11/30/2006 > >-- >12/5/2006 > > >www.aeroelectric.com > >www.kitlog.com > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > >www.aeroelectric.com >www.buildersbooks.com >http://www.matronics.com/contribution >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > Glenalmond Management Pty.,Ltd. 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Eos do. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:45 AM PST US From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the AD`s. Gil ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:04 AM PST US From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Right,forward Aux fuel tank- wingflyer1@aol.com615-373-57... Thanks, I have contacted them already. Gil ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props From: budplaster@aol.com Gil, Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO REGRETS!! Bud Plaster -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the AD`s. Gil ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: Commander-List: Props From: Bruce Campbell Given the prop problems I'm having, would this be applicable to a 520 (probably)..... Bruce N4186B From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of budplaster@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Gil, Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO REGRETS!! Bud Plaster -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the AD`s. Gil ________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:37 AM PST US From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:14 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference. thanks... b -------------- Original message -------------- From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil
Heard of several options regarding old props,  does anyone know the low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference.
 
thanks...
b
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil






________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:58 PM PST US From: "Don Girod" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props I paid $ 14K plus Capt. Jimbob's STC for mine, 0 hrs. with fresh overhaul. I was told the old props had no value, I wasn't as fortunate in that respect as Bud. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference. thanks... b -------------- Original message -------------- From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 12/9/2006 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:48 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Props This is probably of little use to the group, but. The AD on mine is 5 years or 500 hours. I considered eliminating the AD on my props(2 blade) on my 500A. It would cost $5,000./prop. The prop guy pointed out that, at 100 hours per year, I would be throwing money away. Again, this is on an original 500A. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Girod Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props I paid $ 14K plus Capt. Jimbob's STC for mine, 0 hrs. with fresh overhaul. I was told the old props had no value, I wasn't as fortunate in that respect as Bud. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference. thanks... b -------------- Original message -------------- From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List _____ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:12 PM PST US From: "Don Girod" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props I'm a little confused, when Harry put my new props on, I asked about the value of the old ones and was told they were worthless, had no value. Mine were out of calendar time, but otherwise OK as far as I know. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: budplaster@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Gil, Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO REGRETS!! Bud Plaster -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the AD`s. Gil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 12/9/2006 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:57 PM PST US From: "Gary Moshluk" Subject: Commander-List: Props I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing. I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander). I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar. I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD???? Gary Moshluk aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:35 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Props (divorce - but kept the Commander) Good trade, Gary _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Commander-List: Props I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing. I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander). I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar. I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD???? Gary Moshluk aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:46 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: Props I don't know much, but this is what I think I know...Hartzell makes brand new props for Commanders (very expensive), I found I have this option after talking to Hatzell today. The time/hours limitation between overhawls on props is a recommendation just like it is on motors, and of course unless you are a part 135 operator then u must adhear to the overhawls. There is also some type of Beech Queen Air prop conversion but I don't know anything about it. Good luck to all with this prop AD hope this helps. b -------------- Original message -------------- From: "nico css" (divorce - but kept the Commander) Good trade, Gary From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Commander-List: Props I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing. I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander). I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar. I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD???? Gary Moshluk aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!) www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
I don't know much, but this is what I think I know...Hartzell makes brand new props for Commanders (very expensive), I found I have this option after talking to Hatzell today.   The time/hours limitation between overhawls on props is a recommendation just like it is on motors, and of course unless you are a part 135 operator then u must adhear to the overhawls.  There is also some type of Beech Queen Air prop conversion but I don't know anything about it.
Good luck to all with this prop AD hope this helps.
 
 
b
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>

(divorce - but kept the Commander)

Good trade, Gary

 


From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM
To: Commander Chat
Subject: Commander-List: Props

 

I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing. 

 

I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell before it expired.  Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander).  I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar. 

 

I live on  an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time.  About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service.  Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD???? 

 

Gary Moshluk

aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!)

 

 

 
 
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