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3. 09:42 AM - Re: AC-520 Vspeeds (Bruce Campbell)
4. 02:21 PM - FW: holiday mishaps (Steve Gilson)
5. 07:58 PM - Re: FW: holiday mishaps (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
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I have an original 520 maintainance manual. brownish in color with gold embossed
letters and emblems. Anyway, if needed, let me know I can scan and send whatever
u may need.
b
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From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>
A few weirdnesses from the manual are:
Best Rate of climb in the manual is 96 miles per hour, as is blue line, but climb
speed is specified at 123. Ive notices it climbs better at 123. ( I just hold
it low after clearing obstacles, until I get there when conditions permit.
Like a Fouga, whose Vy is 200 mph. Of course, maybe its just more fun).
landing approach in the manual (not listed in the table) is 76 mph, well below
Vmc (not that you *have*
to hold speed above Vmc, btw, but its not normal practice these days.) BTW, it
settles beautifully at that speed, but of course you need the runway made, and
go-arounds would be an emergency procedure.
Gear 150 mph (Thats what I use except in emergency . I think its actually specified
higher, 186mph. ). Flaps up to 150mph Flaps Full : 110mph. Vne = 260 mph
(Ive actually seen pretty close to it twice, once when being called into a search
from a logistics mission (the coast guard doesnt hear speed two-fifteen well
be there in 10 minutes very often, though they have a few fast fixed wing
A/C), once during a check ride).
It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which should
be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and Vy
in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the other
5-series that would support the idea.
As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and confirm
these), but is your interest historical or practical?
Bruce (N4186B)
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds
Gentlemen!
I haven't been around an AC-520 since the last decade of the last millennium.
Can anyone give me a list of V-speeds from the AFM?
I realize the V-speed nomenclature wasn't used when the manual (what -- all 4 pages?)
was written, but if someone can list the performance speeds, I'd greatly
appreciate it.
Thanks in advance,
Wing Commander Gordon
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<DIV>I have an original 520 maintainance manual. brownish in color
with gold embossed letters and emblems. Anyway, if needed, let me know
I can scan and send whatever u may need.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>b</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">A
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Best
Rate of climb in the manual is 96 miles per hour,
as is blue line, but climb speed is specified at 123. Ive notices it climbs better
at 123. ( I just hold it low after clearing obstacles, until I get there
when conditions permit. Like a Fouga, whose Vy is 200 mph. Of course, maybe its
just more fun).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">landing
approach in the manual (not listed in the table)
is 76 mph, well below Vmc (not that you *<B>have</B>*<BR>to hold speed above
Vmc, btw, but its not normal practice these days.) BTW, it settles beautifully
at that speed, but of course you need the runway made, and go-arounds would
be an emergency procedure.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Gear
150 mph (Thats what I use except in emergency . I
think its actually specified higher, 186mph. ). Flaps up to 150mph Flaps Full
: 110mph. Vne = 260 mph (Ive actually seen pretty close to it twice, once when
being called into a search from a logistics mission (the coast guard doesnt
hear speed two-fifteen well be there in 10 minutes very often, though they have
a few fast fixed wing A/C), once during a check ride).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It
would be interesting to see how these relate to the
560s and 500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think
the specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big
variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">As
for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and
list them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Bruce
(N4186B)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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haven't been around an AC-520 since the last decade of the last
millennium.</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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anyone give me a list of V-speeds from the AFM?</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><BR>I
realize the V-speed nomenclature wasn't used when the manual (what
-- all 4 pages?) was written, but if someone can list the performance speeds,
I'd greatly appreciate it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: AC-520 Vspeeds |
In a message dated 26-Dec-06 08:42:28 Pacific Standard Time,
brcamp@windows.microsoft.com writes:
It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which
should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and
Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the
other 5-series that would support the idea.
As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and
confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical?
Bruce, and B,
Thanks for the AC-520 info. Sir Barry was kind enough to send me a scan of
the manual pages he has, but there are no references to performance speeds
really -- just limitations.
I appreciate your noting the performance speeds -- such as they are.
My interest is a little bit historical and a little bit practical. The last
time I was in an AC-520 was about 1993 so I had no recollection of the
performance speeds and of course, I was asked to fact check an article for a
publication.
Beyond that smallish task, I have always found the AC-520 manual ...
charming. Historically, this manual was prepared before V-speeds were used as
nomenclature. It's always been a trick developing a more modern check list for
the
early Commanders and ferreting out V speeds from the manuals.
Speeds such as "best climb speed" are used, but how do they relate to our
post 1976 (when GAMA standardized aircraft manuals and used V speeds) concepts.
Is "best climb speed" Vy, Vyse, Vx or Vxse?
>From that perspective, if you ever have the chance to look at the evolution
of Aero Commander manuals, start with the AC-520 with its sparse 4 pages and
work your way up to the AC-685 where there are as many performance graphs (and
V-speeds!) as a Boeing.
Yes, if anyone would like to scan their AC-520 manual, let's take a look!
Happy New Year, Commanders!
Wing Commander Gordon
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This brings up the question of what the spec'ed speeds are for the
560's and 500s. It would be very interesting to compare.
Bruce (AC52 N4186B)
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds
In a message dated 26-Dec-06 08:42:28 Pacific Standard Time,
brcamp@windows.microsoft.com writes:
It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and
500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the
specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a
big variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea.
As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list
them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical?
Bruce, and B,
Thanks for the AC-520 info. Sir Barry was kind enough to send me a scan
of the manual pages he has, but there are no references to performance
speeds really -- just limitations.
I appreciate your noting the performance speeds -- such as they are.
My interest is a little bit historical and a little bit practical. The
last time I was in an AC-520 was about 1993 so I had no recollection of
the performance speeds and of course, I was asked to fact check an
article for a publication.
Beyond that smallish task, I have always found the AC-520 manual ...
charming. Historically, this manual was prepared before V-speeds were
used as nomenclature. It's always been a trick developing a more modern
check list for the early Commanders and ferreting out V speeds from the
manuals.
Speeds such as "best climb speed" are used, but how do they relate to
our post 1976 (when GAMA standardized aircraft manuals and used V
speeds) concepts. Is "best climb speed" Vy, Vyse, Vx or Vxse?
>From that perspective, if you ever have the chance to look at the
evolution of Aero Commander manuals, start with the AC-520 with its
sparse 4 pages and work your way up to the AC-685 where there are as
many performance graphs (and V-speeds!) as a Boeing.
Yes, if anyone would like to scan their AC-520 manual, let's take a
look!
Happy New Year, Commanders!
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | FW: holiday mishaps |
I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part,
but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get
thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how
I know.
Steve G.
E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany
-----Original Message-----
From: beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org
[mailto:beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM
Subject: B: holiday mishaps
This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon Insurance about renewal
of my policy. In the conversation, he revealed there were 34 GA accidents of
one degree or another over the Christmas weekend. All makes, not just Beech.
This figure does not include the 50 or so planes damaged at Embry Riddle.
Henry disclosed most of the accidents were in the east where the winter
storm was challenging.
Compared to other years, this is a large number. Ed
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| Subject: | Re: FW: holiday mishaps |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM
Not me, somone made a nice video of Central Airs 500B freighters which is where
I have many Commander hours in all weather(ice & lots of it). Any other former
Central pilots out there? Watch out for the music it's not for the for everyone!
Regarding 520 manual anyone wanting a copy send me an email off list and I will
scan the whole works, it's really great reading!
b
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From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg@nternet.com>
>
> I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part,
> but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get
> thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how
> I know.
>
> Steve G.
> E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org
> [mailto:beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM
> To: beech-owners@beechcraft.org
> Subject: B: holiday mishaps
>
> This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon Insurance about renewal
> of my policy. In the conversation, he revealed there were 34 GA accidents of
> one degree or another over the Christmas weekend. All makes, not just Beech.
> This figure does not include the 50 or so planes damaged at Embry Riddle.
> Henry disclosed most of the accidents were in the east where the winter
> storm was challenging.
>
> Compared to other years, this is a large number. Ed
>
> \
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM</A> </DIV>
<DIV>Not me, somone made a nice video of Central Airs 500B freighters
which is where I have many Commander hours in all weather(ice & lots of it).
Any other former Central pilots out there? Watch out for the music
it's not for the for everyone!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regarding 520 manual anyone wanting a copy send me an email off list and I
will scan the whole works, it's really great reading!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>b </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg@nternet.com> <BR><BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Steve Gilson" <STEVEG@NTERNET.COM><BR>> <BR>> I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part, <BR>> but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get <BR>> thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how <BR>> I know. <BR>> <BR>> Steve G. <BR>> E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org <BR>> [mailto:beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM <BR>> To: beech-owners@beechcraft.org <BR>> Subject: B: holiday mishaps <BR>> <BR>> This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon
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| Subject: | Re: FW: holiday mishaps |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGcN_DhJ_rU&mode=related&search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlHJlBNx9KA&mode=related&search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSe8CKyki7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT6N_ITUDQ4&mode=related&search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7J42xLvUpM&mode=related&search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miqXXTBsxo8&mode=related&search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xZWZdUU6C8&mode=related&search
yup, I been on u tube again...enjoy
b
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From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM
Not me, somone made a nice video of Central Airs 500B freighters which is where
I have many Commander hours in all weather(ice & lots of it). Any other former
Central pilots out there? Watch out for the music it's not for the for everyone!
Regarding 520 manual anyone wanting a copy send me an email off list and I will
scan the whole works, it's really great reading!
b
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg@nternet.com>
>
> I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part,
> but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get
> thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how
> I know.
>
> Steve G.
> E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org
> [mailto:beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM
> To: beech-owners@beechcraft.org
> Subject: B: holiday mishaps
>
> This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon Insura ======
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<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlHJlBNx9KA&mode=related&search">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlHJlBNx9KA&mode=related&search</A>=</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSe8CKyki7U">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSe8CKyki7U</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT6N_ITUDQ4&mode=related&search">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT6N_ITUDQ4&mode=related&search</A>=</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7J42xLvUpM&mode=related&search">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7J42xLvUpM&mode=related&search</A>=</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miqXXTBsxo8&mode=related&search">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miqXXTBsxo8&mode=related&search</A>=</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xZWZdUU6C8&mode=related&search">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xZWZdUU6C8&mode=related&search</A>=</DIV>
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<DIV>yup, I been on u tube again...enjoy</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM</A> </DIV>
<DIV>Not me, somone made a nice video of Central Airs 500B freighters
which is where I have many Commander hours in all weather(ice & lots of it).
Any other former Central pilots out there? Watch out for the music
it's not for the for everyone!</DIV>
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<DIV>Regarding 520 manual anyone wanting a copy send me an email off list and I
will scan the whole works, it's really great reading!</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg@nternet.com> <BR><BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Steve Gilson" <STEVEG@NTERNET.COM><BR>> <BR>> I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part, <BR>> but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get <BR>> thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how <BR>> I know. <BR>> <BR>> Steve G. <BR>> E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org <BR>> [mailto:beech-owners-bounces@beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM <BR>> To: beech-owners@beechcraft.org <BR>> Subject: B: holiday mishaps <BR>> <BR>> This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon
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