---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/07/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:26 PM - Prop spinner needed (Ray Mansfield) 2. 06:41 PM - Even tho I couldn't be there today.... (Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)) 3. 09:33 PM - Re: Prop spinner needed (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 4. 09:41 PM - Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 5. 10:10 PM - Happy Birthday JT! (John Vormbaum) 6. 10:32 PM - Re: Happy Birthday JT! (Richard & Jacqui Thompson) 7. 10:45 PM - Birthday (Jim Addington) 8. 11:02 PM - Re: Prop spinner needed (BillLeff1@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:46 PM PST US From: "Ray Mansfield" Subject: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed Hello, The Commander I fly decided to stress the R/prop spinner in an excessive manner and now it's not useable or repairable. Fortunately it was found with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades during a ground check. Been trying to get the props balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment is broke and out for repair...not back yet. I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner, Part # C2531-5P. The plane is an AC-68, Commander 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't even know where to get one, we called him. Have also checked about 10 places. The manufacturer said 4-6 weeks delivery. We have two more possibilities, but won't know for a couple days. Does anyone out there know where I can get the needed prop spinner. The two spinners on the plane are different...I don't know why. The one needed has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's close, but there are more than L/spinner) to hold it in place and it is a newer version than the spinner on the L/engine. It's a one-piece spinner. I've had help from you guys before and it's appreciated. My cell phone number is below. Call anytime. When I can't take calls I turn it off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night. Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL 850-217-5185 THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM". SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE. AVIATION WISDOM.... The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline baggage. An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute. If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins. Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed (or rotor RPM). Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order -- need two. There are only three things the copilot should ever say: 1. Nice landing, Sir. 2. I'll buy the first round. 3. I'll take the ugly one. As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you: a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight. b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your last flight. There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should, suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws. About Rules: a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea and the talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.) The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft. Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel tanks are full. He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he who demands one iota more is a fool. There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not for those who still are. Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living. Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust and drag. An airplane flies because of money. If God had meant man to fly, He'd have given him more money. If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't they make the whole plane out of that stuff? If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs. --- President, DELTA Airlines In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours of gas than vice versa. It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking. Just that good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No doubt, no doubt. I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot? Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do both. There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets. You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So you're grateful. You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs. New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not happy ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:59 PM PST US From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" Subject: Commander-List: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... I did start out the day wearing my Kansas City Club sweatshirt! HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOHN TOWNER! You taught me how to dress "preppy," you taught me how to do the right thing, and you taught me how to play craps. May G-d bless you, Muffin Lady & the children. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 www.deneals.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:00 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed Sometime ago there was a listing on e-bay for Aero Commander spinners...anyone else recall, I would say within the last 6 month maybe less... b -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ray Mansfield" Hello, The Commander I fly decided to stress the R/prop spinner in an excessive manner and now it's not useable or repairable. Fortunately it was found with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades during a ground check. Been trying to get the props balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment is broke and out for repair...not back yet. I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner, Part # C2531-5P. The plane is an AC-68, Commander 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't even know where to get one, we called him. Have also checked about 10 places. The manufacturer said 4-6 weeks delivery. We have two more possibilities, but won't know for a couple days. Does anyone out there know where I can get the needed prop spinner. The two spinners on the plane are different...I don't know why. The one needed has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's close, but there are more than L/spinner) to hold it in place and it is a newer version than the spinner on the L/engine. It's a one-piece spinner. I've had help from you guys before and it's appreciated. My cell phone number is below. Call anytime. When I can't take calls I turn it off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night. Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL 850-217-5185 THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM". SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE. AVIATION WISDOM.... The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline baggage. An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe. Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute. If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins. Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed (or rotor RPM). Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order -- need two. There are only three things the copilot should ever say: 1. Nice landing, Sir. 2. I'll buy the first round. 3. I'll take the ugly one. As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you: a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight. b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your last flight. There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should, suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws. About Rules: a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea and the talent to execute it. b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.) The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft. Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel tanks are full. He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he who demands one iota more is a fool. There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not for those who still are. Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living. Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust and drag. An airplane flies because of money. If God had meant man to fly, He'd have given him more money. If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't they make the whole plane out of that stuff? If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs. --- President, DELTA Airlines In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours of gas than vice versa. It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking. Just that good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No doubt, no doubt. I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot? Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do both. There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets. You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So you're grateful. You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs. New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not happy
Sometime ago there was a listing on e-bay for Aero Commander spinners...anyone else recall,  I would say within the last 6 month maybe less...
 
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier@cox.net>
Hello,
 
    The Commander I fly decided to stress the R/prop spinner in an excessive manner and now it's not useable or repairable.  Fortunately it was found with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades during a ground check. Been trying to get the props balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment is broke and out for repair...not back yet.
 
    I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner, Part # C2531-5P.  The plane is an AC-68, Commander 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't even know where to get one, we called him.  Have also checked about 10 places.  The manufacturer said 4-6 weeks delivery.  We have two more possibilities, but won't know for a couple days.
 
    Does anyone out there know where I can get the needed prop spinner.  The two spinners on the plane are different...I don't know why.  The one needed has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's close, but there are more than  L/spinner)  to hold it in place and it is a newer version than the spinner on the L/engine.  It's a one-piece spinner. 
 
    I've had help from you guys before and it's appreciated.  My cell phone number is below.  Call anytime.  When I can't take calls I turn it off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night. 
 
Ray Mansfield
Ft. Walton Beach, FL
850-217-5185
 
 
THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM".  SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
 
 
AVIATION WISDOM....
 
The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline baggage.
 
An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe.
 
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
 
If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins.
 
Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed (or rotor RPM).
 
Re al planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order -- need two.
 
There are only three things the copilot should ever say:
   1. Nice landing, Sir.
   2. I'll buy the first round.
   3. I'll take the ugly one.
 
As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight.
b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your last flight.
 
There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should, suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws.
 
About Rules:
a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea and the talent to execute it.
b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
 
The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness.
 
The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.
 
Ever notice that the only experts who decree that "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
 
Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel tanks are full.
 
He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he who demands one iota more is a fool.
 
There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night.
 
The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits.
 
Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not for those who still are.
 
Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
 
Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust and drag. An airplane flies because of money. If God had meant man to fl y, He' d have given him more money.
 
If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't they make the whole plane out of that stuff?
 
If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs. --- President, DELTA Airlines
 
In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours of gas than vice versa.
 
It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking. Just that good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No doubt, no doubt.
 
I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot?
 
Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do both.
 
There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
 
You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So you're grateful.
 
You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.
 
New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not happy
 
 
 
 
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:32 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... JT, Happy Birthday my old friend, I remember one of the 1st things you said to me after signing off my logbooks, " Hey we have the same B-day! " PS "sorry bout that 1st Commander landing" Godspeed to you the muffin lady and the kids too Take Care, Brent - N224HA -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" I did start out the day wearing my Kansas City Club sweatshirt! HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOHN TOWNER! You taught me how to dress preppy, you taught me how to do the right thing, and you taught me how to play craps. May G-d bless you, Muffin Lady & the children. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 www.deneals.com
JT,
 
Happy Birthday my old friend,  I remember one of the 1st things you said to me after signing off my logbooks,  " Hey we have the same B-day! "
 
PS "sorry bout that 1st Commander landing"
 
Godspeed to you the muffin lady and the kids too
 
Take Care,
Brent - N224HA
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals@sbcglobal.net>

I did start out the day wearing my Kansas City Club sweatshirt!

 

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

JOHN TOWNER!

 

You taught me how to dress preppy, you taught me how to do the right thing, and you taught me how to play craps.

 

May G-d bless you, Muffin Lady & the children.

 

___________________________

Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet

St. Louis - Cincinnati

1997 SL500

www.deneals.com
 
 
 
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:48 PM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT! To our esteemed friend John Towner, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways) today! Best regards, /John Vormbaum ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:48 PM PST US From: "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT! MR Towner, Happy Birthday from all of us down in OZ. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 5:10 PM Subject: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT! To our esteemed friend John Towner, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways) today! Best regards, /John Vormbaum ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:12 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Commander-List: Birthday John, HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND MANY MORE. You have helped me more times than I can count. Thanks Jim Addington N444BD ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:03 PM PST US From: BillLeff1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed Yes they were for a 560F or a 680F with Geared engines Bill Leff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.