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     1. 03:43 AM - Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... (Barry Collman)
     2. 04:14 AM - Re: Prop spinner needed (Harry Merritt)
     3. 04:37 AM - Re: Happy Birthday JT! (John Towner)
     4. 04:55 AM - Re: Prop spinner needed (Frits Abbing)
     5. 04:55 AM - Re: Prop spinner needed (Frits Abbing)
     6. 05:05 AM - Re: Happy Birthday JT! (Barry Collman)
     7. 05:10 AM - Re: Happy Birthday JT! (MASON Chevaillier)
     8. 05:52 AM - Update on King Air 200 windshield incident //OT (Steve Gilson)
     9. 07:50 AM - Re: Happy Birthday JT! (Bob Steele)
    10. 08:01 AM - Birthday Greetings (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
    11. 08:56 AM - Re: Prop spinner needed (Bruce Campbell)
    12. 09:23 AM - Re: Happy Birthday JT! (John Vormbaum)
    13. 09:17 PM - Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
    14. 09:36 PM - Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... (Tylor Hall)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... | 
      
      Well,
       I don't recall seeing an original message regarding your Birthday John, 
      so this greeting is probably a day late.
      
      Nevertheless, I wish to add my best wishes for a Very Happy Birthday !!
      
      Barry
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Deneal Schilmeister (Portege) 
        To: commander-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:40 AM
        Subject: Commander-List: Even tho I couldn't be there today....
      
      
        I did start out the day wearing my Kansas City Club sweatshirt!
      
      
        HAPPY BIRTHDAY
      
        JOHN TOWNER!
      
      
        You taught me how to dress "preppy," you taught me how to do the right 
      thing, and you taught me how to play craps.
      
      
        May G-d bless you, Muffin Lady & the children. 
      
      
        ___________________________
      
        Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
      
        St. Louis - Cincinnati
      
        1997 SL500
      
      www.deneals.com   
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Prop spinner needed | 
      
      Call Harry he has one.
      321 267-3141
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Ray Mansfield 
        To: commander-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:27 PM
        Subject: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
      
      
        Hello,
      
            The Commander I fly decided to stress the R/prop spinner in an 
      excessive manner and now it's not useable or repairable.  Fortunately it 
      was found with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades during a 
      ground check. Been trying to get the props balanced but the nearest 
      shop's balancing equipment is broke and out for repair...not back yet. 
      
            I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner, Part # C2531-5P.  
      The plane is an AC-68, Commander 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. 
      RPM didn't even know where to get one, we called him.  Have also checked 
      about 10 places.  The manufacturer said 4-6 weeks delivery.  We have two 
      more possibilities, but won't know for a couple days.
      
            Does anyone out there know where I can get the needed prop 
      spinner.  The two spinners on the plane are different...I don't know 
      why.  The one needed has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's 
      close, but there are more than  L/spinner)  to hold it in place and it 
      is a newer version than the spinner on the L/engine.  It's a one-piece 
      spinner.  
      
            I've had help from you guys before and it's appreciated.  My cell 
      phone number is below.  Call anytime.  When I can't take calls I turn it 
      off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.  
      
        Ray Mansfield
        Ft. Walton Beach, FL
        850-217-5185
      
      
        THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM".  SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ 
      THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
      
      
        AVIATION WISDOM....
      
        The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are 
      composed entirely of lost airline baggage.
         
        An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex 
      was safe.
         
        Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist 
      invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
         
        If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic 
      helicopter fly-ins.
         
        Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed (or 
      rotor RPM).
         
        Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & 
      helicopters -- in that order -- need two.
         
        There are only three things the copilot should ever say:
           1. Nice landing, Sir.
           2. I'll buy the first round.
           3. I'll take the ugly one.
         
        As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you: 
        a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your 
      last flight. 
        b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is 
      your last flight.
         
        There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who 
      think that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of 
      Physics) were made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should, 
      suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws.
         
        About Rules: 
        a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea 
      and the talent to execute it. 
        b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance. 
      (e.g., if you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
         
        The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness.
         
        The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation 
      profession.
         
        Ever notice that the only experts who decree that "the age of the 
      pilot is over" are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite 
      of the intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's day is over, I 
      know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted 
      aircraft.
         
        Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel 
      tanks are full. 
         
        He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; 
      he who demands one iota more is a fool.
         
        There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night. 
         
        The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by 
      that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, 
      there are no limits.
         
        Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but 
      not for those who still are.
         
        Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
         
        Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust and drag. An 
      airplane flies because of money. If God had meant man to fly, He'd have 
      given him more money.
         
        If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't they make the whole 
      plane out of that stuff?
         
        If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire 
      Orville to reduce costs. --- President, DELTA Airlines
         
        In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours 
      of gas than vice versa.
         
        It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking. Just that 
      good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. Or so 
      seasoned observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No doubt, no 
      doubt.
         
        I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell me why the other one 
      is always occupied by an idiot?
         
        Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and 
      becoming a pilot. You can't do both.
         
        There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
         
        You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you 
      didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't 
      nauseated by the food. So you're grateful.
         
        You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on 
      their hind legs.
         
        New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not happy 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Happy Birthday JT! | 
      
      *John,
      
      Thank you very much, we had a 60th birthday lunch and semi-retirement 
      party  for me with 15 old pilot friends and you can imagine the pilot 
      stories were pretty good.  I told everyone I plan to go from 18 to 12 
      hour work days.
      
      YOUR FRIEND,
      
      JT   :-)
      *
      John Vormbaum wrote:
      
      > To our esteemed friend John Towner,
      >  
      > HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways) 
      > today!
      >  
      > Best regards,
      >  
      > /John Vormbaum
      >
      >*
      >
      >
      >*
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Prop spinner needed | 
      
      
      Harry,
      
      Can you help me on two props for a 520?
      I live in Crescent City, 32112 FL.
      
      Frits Abbng
      --- Harry Merritt <avtec2@bellsouth.net> wrote:
      
      > Call Harry he has one.
      > 321 267-3141
      >   ----- Original Message ----- 
      >   From: Ray Mansfield 
      >   To: commander-list@matronics.com 
      >   Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:27 PM
      >   Subject: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
      > 
      > 
      >   Hello,
      > 
      >       The Commander I fly decided to stress the
      > R/prop spinner in an excessive manner and now it's
      > not useable or repairable.  Fortunately it was found
      > with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades
      > during a ground check. Been trying to get the props
      > balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment
      > is broke and out for repair...not back yet. 
      > 
      >       I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner,
      > Part # C2531-5P.  The plane is an AC-68, Commander
      > 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't
      > even know where to get one, we called him.  Have
      > also checked about 10 places.  The manufacturer said
      > 4-6 weeks delivery.  We have two more possibilities,
      > but won't know for a couple days.
      > 
      >       Does anyone out there know where I can get the
      > needed prop spinner.  The two spinners on the plane
      > are different...I don't know why.  The one needed
      > has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's
      > close, but there are more than  L/spinner)  to hold
      > it in place and it is a newer version than the
      > spinner on the L/engine.  It's a one-piece spinner. 
      > 
      > 
      >       I've had help from you guys before and it's
      > appreciated.  My cell phone number is below.  Call
      > anytime.  When I can't take calls I turn it
      > off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.  
      > 
      >   Ray Mansfield
      >   Ft. Walton Beach, FL
      >   850-217-5185
      > 
      > 
      >   THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM".  SOME
      > OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
      > 
      > 
      >   AVIATION WISDOM....
      > 
      >   The scientific theory I like best is that the
      > rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost
      > airline baggage.
      >    
      >   An old pilot is one who can remember when flying
      > was dangerous and sex was safe.
      >    
      >   Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the
      > society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the
      > pessimist the parachute.
      >    
      >   If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no
      > vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins.
      >    
      >   Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch
      > your airspeed (or rotor RPM).
      >    
      >   Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This
      > is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order --
      > need two.
      >    
      >   There are only three things the copilot should
      > ever say:
      >      1. Nice landing, Sir.
      >      2. I'll buy the first round.
      >      3. I'll take the ugly one.
      >    
      >   As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
      > 
      >   a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft
      > knowing that it is your last flight. 
      >   b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not
      > knowing that it is your last flight.
      >    
      >   There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are
      > made by men who think that they know better how to
      > fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were
      > made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes
      > should, suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend
      > the Laws.
      >    
      >   About Rules: 
      >   a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't
      > have a better idea and the talent to execute it. 
      >   b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a
      > flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under a
      > bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
      >    
      >   The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline
      > and aggressiveness.
      >    
      >   The medical profession is the natural enemy of the
      > aviation profession.
      >    
      >   Ever notice that the only experts who decree that
      > "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have
      > never flown anything? Also, in spite of the
      > intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's
      > day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered
      > to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
      >    
      >   Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is
      > empty and your fuel tanks are full. 
      >    
      >   He who demands everything that his aircraft can
      > give him is a pilot; he who demands one iota more is
      > a fool.
      >    
      >   There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be
      > heard at night. 
      >    
      >   The aircraft limits are only there in case there
      > is another flight by that particular aircraft. If
      > subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are
      > no limits.
      >    
      >   Flying is a great way of life for men who want to
      > feel like boys, but not for those who still are.
      >    
      >   Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
      >    
      >   Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust
      > and drag. An airplane flies because of money. If God
      > had meant man to fly, He'd have given him more
      > money.
      >    
      >   If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't
      > they make the whole plane out of that stuff?
      >    
      >   If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur
      > would have to fire Orville to reduce costs. ---
      > President, DELTA Airlines
      >    
      >   In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour
      > bladder and three hours of gas than vice versa.
      >    
      >   It's not that all airplane pilots are
      > good-looking. Just that good-looking people seem
      > more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned
      > observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No
      > doubt, no doubt.
      >    
      >   I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell
      > me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot?
      >    
      >   Son, you're going to have to make up your mind
      > about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do
      > both.
      >    
      >   There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters
      > and targets.
      >    
      >   You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't
      > get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up,
      > you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food.
      > So you're grateful.
      >    
      >   You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA
      > inspectors to walk on their hind legs.
      >    
      >   New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not
      > happy 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
      Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate 
      in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
      http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Prop spinner needed | 
      
      
      Harry,
      
      Can you help me on two props for a 520?
      I live in Crescent City, 32112 FL.
      
      Frits Abbng
      --- Harry Merritt <avtec2@bellsouth.net> wrote:
      
      > Call Harry he has one.
      > 321 267-3141
      >   ----- Original Message ----- 
      >   From: Ray Mansfield 
      >   To: commander-list@matronics.com 
      >   Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:27 PM
      >   Subject: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
      > 
      > 
      >   Hello,
      > 
      >       The Commander I fly decided to stress the
      > R/prop spinner in an excessive manner and now it's
      > not useable or repairable.  Fortunately it was found
      > with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades
      > during a ground check. Been trying to get the props
      > balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment
      > is broke and out for repair...not back yet. 
      > 
      >       I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner,
      > Part # C2531-5P.  The plane is an AC-68, Commander
      > 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't
      > even know where to get one, we called him.  Have
      > also checked about 10 places.  The manufacturer said
      > 4-6 weeks delivery.  We have two more possibilities,
      > but won't know for a couple days.
      > 
      >       Does anyone out there know where I can get the
      > needed prop spinner.  The two spinners on the plane
      > are different...I don't know why.  The one needed
      > has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's
      > close, but there are more than  L/spinner)  to hold
      > it in place and it is a newer version than the
      > spinner on the L/engine.  It's a one-piece spinner. 
      > 
      > 
      >       I've had help from you guys before and it's
      > appreciated.  My cell phone number is below.  Call
      > anytime.  When I can't take calls I turn it
      > off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.  
      > 
      >   Ray Mansfield
      >   Ft. Walton Beach, FL
      >   850-217-5185
      > 
      > 
      >   THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM".  SOME
      > OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
      > 
      > 
      >   AVIATION WISDOM....
      > 
      >   The scientific theory I like best is that the
      > rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost
      > airline baggage.
      >    
      >   An old pilot is one who can remember when flying
      > was dangerous and sex was safe.
      >    
      >   Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the
      > society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the
      > pessimist the parachute.
      >    
      >   If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no
      > vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins.
      >    
      >   Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch
      > your airspeed (or rotor RPM).
      >    
      >   Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This
      > is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order --
      > need two.
      >    
      >   There are only three things the copilot should
      > ever say:
      >      1. Nice landing, Sir.
      >      2. I'll buy the first round.
      >      3. I'll take the ugly one.
      >    
      >   As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
      > 
      >   a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft
      > knowing that it is your last flight. 
      >   b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not
      > knowing that it is your last flight.
      >    
      >   There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are
      > made by men who think that they know better how to
      > fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were
      > made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes
      > should, suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend
      > the Laws.
      >    
      >   About Rules: 
      >   a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't
      > have a better idea and the talent to execute it. 
      >   b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a
      > flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under a
      > bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
      >    
      >   The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline
      > and aggressiveness.
      >    
      >   The medical profession is the natural enemy of the
      > aviation profession.
      >    
      >   Ever notice that the only experts who decree that
      > "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have
      > never flown anything? Also, in spite of the
      > intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's
      > day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered
      > to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
      >    
      >   Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is
      > empty and your fuel tanks are full. 
      >    
      >   He who demands everything that his aircraft can
      > give him is a pilot; he who demands one iota more is
      > a fool.
      >    
      >   There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be
      > heard at night. 
      >    
      >   The aircraft limits are only there in case there
      > is another flight by that particular aircraft. If
      > subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are
      > no limits.
      >    
      >   Flying is a great way of life for men who want to
      > feel like boys, but not for those who still are.
      >    
      >   Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
      >    
      >   Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust
      > and drag. An airplane flies because of money. If God
      > had meant man to fly, He'd have given him more
      > money.
      >    
      >   If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't
      > they make the whole plane out of that stuff?
      >    
      >   If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur
      > would have to fire Orville to reduce costs. ---
      > President, DELTA Airlines
      >    
      >   In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour
      > bladder and three hours of gas than vice versa.
      >    
      >   It's not that all airplane pilots are
      > good-looking. Just that good-looking people seem
      > more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned
      > observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No
      > doubt, no doubt.
      >    
      >   I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell
      > me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot?
      >    
      >   Son, you're going to have to make up your mind
      > about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do
      > both.
      >    
      >   There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters
      > and targets.
      >    
      >   You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't
      > get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up,
      > you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food.
      > So you're grateful.
      >    
      >   You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA
      > inspectors to walk on their hind legs.
      >    
      >   New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not
      > happy 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Happy Birthday JT! | 
      
      Hi John,
      
      Well, during those extra 6 hours a day, your good wife could teach you 
      how to make a good muffin. "Muffin Man" has a certain ring about it, 
      don't you think ;-)
      
      Sincere Best Regards,
      Barry
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: John Towner 
        To: commander-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:34 PM
        Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT!
      
      
        John,
      
        Thank you very much, we had a 60th birthday lunch and semi-retirement 
      party  for me with 15 old pilot friends and you can imagine the pilot 
      stories were pretty good.  I told everyone I plan to go from 18 to 12 
      hour work days.
      
        YOUR FRIEND,
      
        JT   :-) 
      
        John Vormbaum wrote: 
          To our esteemed friend John Towner,
      
          HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways) 
      today!
      
          Best regards,
      
          /John Vormbaum
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Happy Birthday JT! | 
      
      
      jt, happy birthday,  you are way to yourn to even slow down.  mason (60)
      
      
      >From: John Towner <johntowner@centralairsouthwest.com>
      >To: commander-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT!
      >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:34:52 -0600
      >
      >*John,
      >
      >Thank you very much, we had a 60th birthday lunch and semi-retirement party 
      >  for me with 15 old pilot friends and you can imagine the pilot stories 
      >were pretty good.  I told everyone I plan to go from 18 to 12 hour work 
      >days.
      >
      >YOUR FRIEND,
      >
      >JT   :-)
      >*
      >John Vormbaum wrote:
      >
      >>To our esteemed friend John Towner,
      >>  HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways) 
      >>today!
      >>  Best regards,
      >>  /John Vormbaum
      >>
      >>*
      >>
      >>
      >>*
      >>
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Update on King Air 200 windshield incident //OT | 
      
      
      
      from AvWeb 2-8-07
      ===================================
      NTSB Eyes Procedures In King Air Mishap
      The NTSB's investigation of a King Air B200 that landed safely last Friday
      after suffering serious structural damage is likely to focus on cockpit
      checklists and procedures, along with radar data collection. N777AJ was
      headed from Rogers, Ark., for Stanton, Va., when it encountered
      complications after suffering a shattered (but not blown out) windshield at
      27,000 feet and ultimately rained parts down on an aeromedical helicopter
      flying below. The helicopter was not struck by debris, and the King Air
      landed at Cape Giraradeau, Mo., with buckled wing skins and empennage and
      much of the horizontal stabilizer and elevator missing. The King Air's
      pilot, Sheldon Stone, said in early reports that the aircraft suffered a
      shattered left windshield at altitude and he then depressurized the cabin to
      prevent a blowout. According to the King Air pilot operating manual, the
      "abnormal checklist" for a cracked windshield specifies a descent to 10,000
      feet or other methods to reduce the pressure differential to less than 3 PSI
      within 10 minutes. After depressurizing the cabin, Stone and his copilot
      then donned their oxygen masks and turned on the valve, but no oxygen
      appeared to be forthcoming. The sole-occupant pilots then passed out. Stone,
      a 4,200 hour ATP-rated pilot, said he awoke at 7,000 feet and recovered the
      aircraft. 
      
      According to the aircraft's flight track as provided by FlightAware, the
      aircraft reached 27,000 feet just after 7:00 a.m. It cruised at that
      altitude until 7:17 when it went to 25,900. At 7:18 the aircraft was at
      25,400 but a minute later was back at 27,000 and had slowed from 417 to 104
      knots ground speed, further slowing to 44 knots at 7:20, according to
      FlightAware. At 7:22, the position report showed holding 27,000 feet and 102
      knots. One minute later, the radar indicates 125 knots at 7,800. Aberrations
      earlier in the minute-by-minute reporting (from 6:49 to 6:50, the aircraft
      is shown to jump from 17,000 to 27,000 then back down) suggest the data may
      not be entirely accurate. But the data seem to follow roughly with the
      pilot's initial comments and damage suffered by the aircraft. 
      
        ----- 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Happy Birthday JT! | 
      
      John,
      
      Happy Birthday to you!
      
      I guess it's happening, the first of the Baby Boomers are turning 60.  
      Oh well, you guys are going to lead the rest of to the age of 120.  So 
      congratulations or reaching middle-age!
      
      Your Friend!
      
      Bob Steele
      
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| Subject:  | Birthday Greetings | 
      
      A BIG birthday greeting to you John, from the California Central
      Coast.  Congratulations on making it to 60Im only a few years
      behind you.
      
      Now that you are only working half timehave some fun.
      
      Randy Dettmer, AIA
      680F/N6253X
      
      DettmerArchitecture
      663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA  93405
      805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
      www.dettmerarchitecture.com
      
      
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| Subject:  | Prop spinner needed | 
      
      
      And if you can help him, can you help me on two props for a 520?
      
            Bruce Campbell
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frits
      Abbing
      Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:54 AM
      Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
      
      <fritsabbing@yahoo.com>
      
      Harry,
      
      Can you help me on two props for a 520?
      I live in Crescent City, 32112 FL.
      
      Frits Abbng
      --- Harry Merritt <avtec2@bellsouth.net> wrote:
      
      > Call Harry he has one.
      > 321 267-3141
      >   ----- Original Message ----- 
      >   From: Ray Mansfield 
      >   To: commander-list@matronics.com 
      >   Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:27 PM
      >   Subject: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
      > 
      > 
      >   Hello,
      > 
      >       The Commander I fly decided to stress the
      > R/prop spinner in an excessive manner and now it's
      > not useable or repairable.  Fortunately it was found
      > with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades
      > during a ground check. Been trying to get the props
      > balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment
      > is broke and out for repair...not back yet. 
      > 
      >       I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner,
      > Part # C2531-5P.  The plane is an AC-68, Commander
      > 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't
      > even know where to get one, we called him.  Have
      > also checked about 10 places.  The manufacturer said
      > 4-6 weeks delivery.  We have two more possibilities,
      > but won't know for a couple days.
      > 
      >       Does anyone out there know where I can get the
      > needed prop spinner.  The two spinners on the plane
      > are different...I don't know why.  The one needed
      > has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's
      > close, but there are more than  L/spinner)  to hold
      > it in place and it is a newer version than the
      > spinner on the L/engine.  It's a one-piece spinner. 
      > 
      > 
      >       I've had help from you guys before and it's
      > appreciated.  My cell phone number is below.  Call
      > anytime.  When I can't take calls I turn it
      > off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.  
      > 
      >   Ray Mansfield
      >   Ft. Walton Beach, FL
      >   850-217-5185
      > 
      > 
      >   THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM".  SOME
      > OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
      > 
      > 
      >   AVIATION WISDOM....
      > 
      >   The scientific theory I like best is that the
      > rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost
      > airline baggage.
      >    
      >   An old pilot is one who can remember when flying
      > was dangerous and sex was safe.
      >    
      >   Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the
      > society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the
      > pessimist the parachute.
      >    
      >   If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no
      > vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins.
      >    
      >   Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch
      > your airspeed (or rotor RPM).
      >    
      >   Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This
      > is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order --
      > need two.
      >    
      >   There are only three things the copilot should
      > ever say:
      >      1. Nice landing, Sir.
      >      2. I'll buy the first round.
      >      3. I'll take the ugly one.
      >    
      >   As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
      > 
      >   a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft
      > knowing that it is your last flight. 
      >   b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not
      > knowing that it is your last flight.
      >    
      >   There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are
      > made by men who think that they know better how to
      > fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were
      > made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes
      > should, suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend
      > the Laws.
      >    
      >   About Rules: 
      >   a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't
      > have a better idea and the talent to execute it. 
      >   b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a
      > flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under a
      > bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
      >    
      >   The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline
      > and aggressiveness.
      >    
      >   The medical profession is the natural enemy of the
      > aviation profession.
      >    
      >   Ever notice that the only experts who decree that
      > "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have
      > never flown anything? Also, in spite of the
      > intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's
      > day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered
      > to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
      >    
      >   Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is
      > empty and your fuel tanks are full. 
      >    
      >   He who demands everything that his aircraft can
      > give him is a pilot; he who demands one iota more is
      > a fool.
      >    
      >   There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be
      > heard at night. 
      >    
      >   The aircraft limits are only there in case there
      > is another flight by that particular aircraft. If
      > subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are
      > no limits.
      >    
      >   Flying is a great way of life for men who want to
      > feel like boys, but not for those who still are.
      >    
      >   Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
      >    
      >   Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust
      > and drag. An airplane flies because of money. If God
      > had meant man to fly, He'd have given him more
      > money.
      >    
      >   If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't
      > they make the whole plane out of that stuff?
      >    
      >   If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur
      > would have to fire Orville to reduce costs. ---
      > President, DELTA Airlines
      >    
      >   In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour
      > bladder and three hours of gas than vice versa.
      >    
      >   It's not that all airplane pilots are
      > good-looking. Just that good-looking people seem
      > more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned
      > observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No
      > doubt, no doubt.
      >    
      >   I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell
      > me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot?
      >    
      >   Son, you're going to have to make up your mind
      > about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do
      > both.
      >    
      >   There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters
      > and targets.
      >    
      >   You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't
      > get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up,
      > you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food.
      > So you're grateful.
      >    
      >   You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA
      > inspectors to walk on their hind legs.
      >    
      >   New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not
      > happy 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Happy Birthday JT! | 
      
      Haha, that is retirement for you! I wish I was there for the party, it 
      sounds like you had a great day.
      
      My father used to say (we ran our own business too), "I don't mind if 
      you only work half-days. Any 12 hours is fine."
      
      Cheers & I hope to see you soon. I saw that you & Andrew are on the 
      curriculum at the Twin Commander University. I have a pregnant wife & a 
      crazy 2 year old, but if I can swing it, I'll come to the university.
      
      All the best,
      
      /John
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: John Towner 
        To: commander-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:34 AM
        Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT!
      
      
        John,
      
        Thank you very much, we had a 60th birthday lunch and semi-retirement 
      party  for me with 15 old pilot friends and you can imagine the pilot 
      stories were pretty good.  I told everyone I plan to go from 18 to 12 
      hour work days.
      
        YOUR FRIEND,
      
        JT   :-) 
      
        John Vormbaum wrote: 
          To our esteemed friend John Towner,
      
          HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways) 
      today!
      
          Best regards,
      
          /John Vormbaum
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... | 
      
      
      In a message dated 2/7/2007 6:45:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
      deneals@sbcglobal.net writes:
      
      
      HAPPY  BIRTHDAY 
      JOHN  TOWNER!
      
      
      HAPPY "B" DAY  JOHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... | 
      
      
      > HAPPY BIRTHDAY
      >
      > JOHN TOWNER!
      >
      > HAPPY "B" DAY JOHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      
      I quit counting.  I will not tell any one I am only a year behind you.
      Tylor Hall
      
      >
      >
      
      
 
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