---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/20/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:58 AM - Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (inphelan) 2. 08:00 AM - Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (inphelan) 3. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (CloudCraft@aol.com) 4. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (Barry Collman) 5. 03:09 PM - Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (N395V) 6. 03:21 PM - Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (inphelan) 7. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (Robert S. Randazzo) 8. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (CloudCraft@aol.com) 9. 04:32 PM - Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (inphelan) 10. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (mike floyd) 11. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (nico css) 12. 05:47 PM - Orenda Engine (nico css) 13. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (Jim Addington) 14. 06:04 PM - Re: Orenda Engine (Jim Addington) 15. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (BillLeff1@aol.com) 16. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (BillLeff1@aol.com) 17. 10:03 PM - Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (apg86) 18. 10:08 PM - Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (apg86) 19. 10:52 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (Robert S. Randazzo) 20. 11:08 PM - Re: Orenda Engine (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:08 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... From: "inphelan" Barry: "Much obliged" (Yank-ism thanks to Clint Eastwood). That settles the N685PE-where-abouts issue for me. Interesting job you have ! And thank you for the broker leads. Ignoring (for the moment) the good wisdom imparted by several other forum members -- forget the Continental engines and go with a 690 or equivalent -- I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine programs which might have been available through the years, before I go on to alternatives. Again, your imformation, and insight, is much appreciated. Nick Phelan Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May 1980. Sadly though, it was damaged beyond repair at Southern Pines-Moore County,North Carolina (NTSB report ATL89LA121) on April 5th 1989 and has been parted out by Atlanta Air Salvage, Griffin-Spalding County Airport, Georgia. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'255#96255 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:21 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... From: "inphelan" Barry: BTW I rumaged through your photo collection but didn't find any of s/n 12059. Did you ever get a picture of that 685? Nick Phelan [quote="barry.collman(at)air-brit"]Hi Nick, Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May 1980. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'272#96272 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:32 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... In a message dated 20-Feb-07 07:00:47 Pacific Standard Time, nickphelan@qwest.net writes: I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine programs which might have been available through the years, before I go on t o alternatives. Nick, I admire your devotion to the AC-685. If you have the money to match your interest, take a look at this: MR. RPM=AE Aero Commander FOR SALE Enjoy! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:47 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... Hi Nick, Nope, I never managed to get a shot of that one. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "inphelan" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... | | Barry: | | BTW I rumaged through your photo collection but didn't find any of s/n 12059. Did you ever get a picture of that 685? | | Nick Phelan | | | [quote="barry.collman(at)air-brit"]Hi Nick, | | Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May 1980. | | | | | Read this topic online here: | | http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'272#96272 | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:40 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... From: "N395V" [quote="CloudCraft(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 20-Feb-07 07:00:47 Pacific Standard Time, nickphelan@qwest.net writes: > I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine programs which might have been available through the years, before I go on to alternatives. Nick, I admire your devotion to the AC-685. If you have the money to match your interest, take a look at this: MR. RPM? Aero Commander FOR SALE (http://www.mrrpm.com/) Enjoy! Wing Commander Gordon > [b] Keith, What is the certification status of tht plane? Is Orenda still making engines. Too bad the whole concept didn't fly. Clearly seems it would have been superior to the turbines. -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket www.excaliburaviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'363#96363 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:03 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... From: "inphelan" Commander Gordon: Many thanks. I think this would a tremendous aircraft but for two small issues: (1) The need to carry non-flight-crew family member passengers, and (2) the need to get insurance to carry those passengers at an annual rate less than the acquisition cost of the 685 ! I wish these guys had had this mod way back when! Nick Phelan I admire your devotion to the AC-685. If you have the money to match your interest, take a look at this: Wing Commander Gordon > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'366#96366 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:08 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... Milt- If they'd have certified them- I'd gladly have hung a set on 414C.... Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 15:09 Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... [quote="CloudCraft(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 20-Feb-07 07:00:47 Pacific Standard Time, nickphelan@qwest.net writes: > I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine programs which might have been available through the years, before I go on to alternatives. Nick, I admire your devotion to the AC-685. If you have the money to match your interest, take a look at this: MR. RPM? Aero Commander FOR SALE (http://www.mrrpm.com/) Enjoy! Wing Commander Gordon > [b] Keith, What is the certification status of tht plane? Is Orenda still making engines. Too bad the whole concept didn't fly. Clearly seems it would have been superior to the turbines. -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket www.excaliburaviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'363#96363 __________ NOD32 2072 (20070220) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:50 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... In a message dated 20-Feb-07 15:23:55 Pacific Standard Time, nickphelan@qwest.net writes: I think this would a tremendous aircraft but for two small issues: (1) The need to carry non-flight-crew family member passengers, and (2) the need to get insurance to carry those passengers at an annual rate less than the acquisition cost of the 685 ! Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) As to Milt's question about certification status and production of the engines, I think Bill Leff -- who flew the first prototype -- and Tylor Hall, who keeps track of Mr. RPM might know the current status. Gentlemen? Google "Orenda Engine" and you'll find lots of information, though I don't know how current. The engine did go on some Ag aircraft and there was an ambitious King Air 90 re-engine program based on the Orenda V8 running parallel with the Commander program. (Mr.RPM won the derby and flew way before the King Air did.) Last time I checked, the King Air flew, but the fleet-wide re-engine rush never happened. Sadly, too, because this was a most viable Commander engine retrofit program -- Mr. RPM told me it would eventually apply to the 680F series Commanders as well as the 685 and his first go at this was the "Thunder Engine" which flew upon a Turbo Commander, demonstrating the range of airframes for the liquid cooled V8 mod. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:34 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... From: "inphelan" You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is unlikely it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across North Carolina's countryside, and all...... [2 pics attached] Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:58 PM PST US From: "mike floyd" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... The 685 and the tooling for the engines were sold by Dick MaCoon to a company in Texas. The company in Texas wants to use the engine in the Automotive racing scene. _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:54 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr endaEngine/ Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is unlikely it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across North Carolina's countryside, and all...... [2 pics attached] Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:56 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: Orenda Engine The url below has been chopped off by the email message. Just copy and paste the whole thing up to "engine/" into your browser's address. Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr endaEngine/ Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is unlikely it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across North Carolina's countryside, and all...... [2 pics attached] Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:49 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > endaEngine/ > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > unlikely > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > [2 pics attached] > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:29 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Engine I still could not get it to open Jim Addington ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: Commander-List: Orenda Engine > > > The url below has been chopped off by the email message. Just copy and > paste > the whole thing up to "engine/" into your browser's address. > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:35 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > endaEngine/ > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > unlikely > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > [2 pics attached] > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:28 PM PST US From: BillLeff1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... I heard that Dick MacCoon flew the 685 to Texas to start the program up again. Bill Leff


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From: "apg86" nico(at)cybersuperstore.c wrote: > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > endaEngine/ > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > Thanks > Nico > > > > -- http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOrendaengine/ this link might work APG -------- Andrew P Geraghty Corona CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'445#96445 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:33 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... From: "apg86" http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOrendaengine/Aero-Commander-320x240.WMV nice video APG -------- Andrew P Geraghty Corona CA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'446#96446 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:31 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... Anyone have any confirmation of this? I've got about 400hrs before I'll even start thinking about engine replacements- but I'd swap the GTSIOs off if the right opportunity presented itself. ;-) Robert Randazzo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillLeff1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... I heard that Dick MacCoon flew the 685 to Texas to start the program up again. Bill Leff _____ Check out free AOL __________ NOD32 2072 (20070220) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:12 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > endaEngine/ > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > unlikely > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > [2 pics attached] > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.