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1. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Robert S. Randazzo)
2. 04:13 AM - Re: Switch (Harry Merritt)
3. 05:21 AM - Re: Orenda Engine (N395V)
4. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (nico css)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Robert S. Randazzo)
6. 02:33 PM - Re: Switch (Donnie Rose)
7. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
8. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (Budplaster@aol.com)
9. 06:58 PM - Blue book question ()
10. 07:14 PM - Re: Blue book question (nico css)
11. 07:33 PM - Re: Blue book question ()
12. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
13. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (nico css)
14. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (CloudCraft@aol.com)
15. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Robert S. Randazzo)
16. 11:13 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
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Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
Nico-
The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
Leff's name.
The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
out there in easy reach.
Robert S. Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
--> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
<jtaddington@charter.net>
Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
>
> BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> unlikely
> it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> North Carolina's countryside, and all......
>
> [2 pics attached]
>
>
> Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
>
>
>
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I Have the Switch
Harry
321 267-3141
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From: BillLeff1@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Switch
Try Lance Aircraft in Dallas. They supply parts for AT-6's and I know
they have AN3022-10's. They may have the -11's also. It is just a
momentary contact version of that series. The AN3022-10 is part of the
throttle switch assembly p/n 34A6066 on a T-6G
Their number is 800-752-4005
Bill Leff
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Subject: | Re: Orenda Engine |
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
> out there in easy reach.
>
>
But then you wouldn't have 414C cause I woulda slapped on the Orendas and kept
her.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'465#96465
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Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
Exactly my thoughts.
It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
pulled the plug on the project and why.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
<rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Nico-
The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
Leff's name.
The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
out there in easy reach.
Robert S. Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
--> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
<jtaddington@charter.net>
Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
>
> BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> unlikely
> it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> North Carolina's countryside, and all......
>
> [2 pics attached]
>
>
> Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Orenda Engine |
You know Milt- I was going to say that...
Hahahahah
Robert Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 05:21
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Orenda Engine
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the
> option was out there in easy reach.
>
>
But then you wouldn't have 414C cause I woulda slapped on the Orendas and
kept her.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'465#96465
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Great Harry, how much do you want for it?=0A=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8
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Lance Aircraft in Dallas. They supply parts for AT-6's and I know they hav
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version of that series. The AN3022-10 is part of the throttle switch assem
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Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
Nico,
This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
they faced and solved is most interesting.
Regards,
Moe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
Exactly my thoughts.
It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
pulled the plug on the project and why.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
<rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Nico-
The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
Leff's name.
The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
out there in easy reach.
Robert S. Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
--> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
<jtaddington@charter.net>
Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
>
> BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> unlikely
> it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> North Carolina's countryside, and all......
>
> [2 pics attached]
>
>
> Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
When I purchased 685TT in January, 2006, in Midland, Tx. someone told me
that the Orenda Engine Project was being conducted in Midland. I can't remember
who told me, but it may have been Dick MacCoon.
Buddy
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Subject: | Blue book question |
Hi All,
I know this is a Commander list, but I was hoping somebody could help me
out with a Cessna price question... Does anybody know the approximate
price of a 1979 Cessna 310 R II Turbo in 1986/87 with about 400-500 hrs
TT, Known Ice, loaded panel?
Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be swearing on the Commander list. :-) If
anybody has an old blue book, or if you remember some of the prices back
then, I'd be grateful for that info.
Thanks in advance.
God bless,
Andrew
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Subject: | Blue book question |
Hi Andrew,
I trust the kids are doing well.
I hope this will help:
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Cessna310/
Click on files and view some stats on the 310
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget@telus.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Blue book question
Hi All,
I know this is a Commander list, but I was hoping somebody could help me out
with a Cessna price question... Does anybody know the approximate price of a
1979 Cessna 310 R II Turbo in 1986/87 with about 400-500 hrs TT, Known Ice,
loaded panel?
Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be swearing on the Commander list. :-) If
anybody has an old blue book, or if you remember some of the prices back
then, I'd be grateful for that info.
Thanks in advance.
God bless,
Andrew
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Subject: | Re: Blue book question |
Nico, you are a star! Thank you so much. Kids are well, thanks. Rebecca
has settled down well and the boys love their new little sister.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blue book question
Hi Andrew,
I trust the kids are doing well.
I hope this will help:
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Cessna310/
Click on files and view some stats on the 310
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget@telus.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:58 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Blue book question
Hi All,
I know this is a Commander list, but I was hoping somebody could help
me out with a Cessna price question... Does anybody know the approximate
price of a 1979 Cessna 310 R II Turbo in 1986/87 with about 400-500 hrs
TT, Known Ice, loaded panel?
Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be swearing on the Commander list. :-) If
anybody has an old blue book, or if you remember some of the prices back
then, I'd be grateful for that info.
Thanks in advance.
God bless,
Andrew
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Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately
it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order
to get it certified. Oh well...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
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> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
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<DIV>V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!</DIV>
<DIV>maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately
it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full
of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well...</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Moe - Ross
Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com> <BR><BR>> --> Commander-List
message posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <BR>> <MOE@ROSSPISTONS.COM><BR>>
<BR>> Nico, <BR>> <BR>> This was a long drawn out project, and
anyone with less drive and tenacity <BR>> than Dick Macoon would have given
up in the very early stages. Trying to <BR>> certify a water cooled V-8
with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. <BR>> This was originally the
Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. <BR>> Here at my office
I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to <BR>> Dick talk about
some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that <BR>> they
faced and solved is most interesting. <BR>> <BR>> Regards, <BR>> <BR>>
Moe <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----
<BR>&
gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM <BR>> To: commander-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM><BR>> <BR>> Exactly my thoughts. <BR>> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who <BR>> pulled the plug on the project and why. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. <BR>> Randazzo <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM <BR>> To: commander-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randaz
zo" <B
R>> <RSRANDAZZO@PRECISIONMANUALS.COM><BR>> <BR>> Nico- <BR>> <BR>> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill <BR>> Leff's name. <BR>> <BR>> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was <BR>> out there in easy reach. <BR>> <BR>> Robert S. Randazzo <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM <BR>> To: commander-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <BR>> --> <NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM><BR>> <BR>> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. <BR>> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp <BR>> Thanks <BR>> Nico <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----
- <BR>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim <BR>> Addington <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM <BR>> To: commander-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <BR>> <JTADDINGTON@CHARTER.NET><BR>> <BR>> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. <BR>> <BR>> Jim Addington <BR>> N444BD <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "nico css" <NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM><BR>> To: <COMMANDER-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <BR>> > <NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM><BR>> > <BR>>
> I
have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: <BR>> > <BR>> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr <BR>> > endaEngine/ <BR>> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. <BR>> > Thanks <BR>> > Nico <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan <BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM <BR>> > To: commander-list@matronics.com <BR>> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> > <BR>> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "inphelan" <NICKPHELAN@QWEST.NET><BR>> > <BR>> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more <BR>> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a
n airc
raft ! <BR>> > <BR>> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is <BR>> > unlikely <BR>> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across <BR>> > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... <BR>> > <BR>> > [2 pics attached] <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Read this topic online here: <BR>> > <BR>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Attachments: <BR>> > <BR>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg <BR>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> <BR
>>
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You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they
really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly
reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret
anything? I am not holding my breath.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series
Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon
barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise)
that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
& gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option
was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message---- -
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ====== =========
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: RE: Orenda Engine |
In a message dated 21-Feb-07 20:29:27 Pacific Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really
screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing
about the many lives they messed up.
I visited the Shadow Race Team facilities in Marina, California (near the
former Fort Ord) around 1979. This was the test cell facility Mr. RPM was using
to run and Dynamo the Thunder Engine.
The FAA could not comprehend the ideas, technology nor the alloys Mr. RPM was
using in this engine and thus made them do a tear down every 50 hours, if I'm
not mistaken on the interval.
Lots of red tape, resulting in red ink and finally they had to surrender.
Then, almost 20 years later the Orenda Engine flew. Dakota Aero was in
business to do the conversions. Somewhere between North Dakota and Canada where
the engines were to be built, money, patients and relationships ran out and it
all came to a stop. Again.
I'm kind of excited to hear there may be one more swing at this -- it's the
closest and most realistic engine retrofit for the 680F series and 685
Commanders.
Wing Commander Gordon
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Nico-
When the autopilot on N414C went Tango Uniform- I discovered that it was
goign to be as expensive to fix as it would be to replace with a modern new
autopilot. I started out on my quest to find a solution that would work for
me AND would get approved by FAA.
If my initial experience were a sitcom- the TV Guide synopsis would read
like this:
"Pilot interested to enhance the safety of a 685 Commander approaches the
FAA with proposal to remove 1960s vintage euipment and replace it with
modern technology capable of reducing pilot workload and improving safety of
flight for the airplane. Hilarity ensues."
It only took 17 months- but I was finally able to find a fellow (two
actually) at FAA who thought the idea had merit strictly from a safety
standpoint... These guys were open minded- heard my suggestion out- did
some research and then advocated on my behalf to the boss at the ACO. Now
THAT is how the relationship with FAA **SHOULD** work.
Robert Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 20:26
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they
really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly
reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret
anything? I am not holding my breath.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series
Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon
barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise)
that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
& gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option
was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message---- -
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ====== =========
>
>
>
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I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump some green into
somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the powers that be would shoot it
down qwicker than a flying man hole cover.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really
screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing
about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not
holding my breath.
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately
it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order
to get it certified. Oh well...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
& gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message---- -
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ====== =========
>
>
>
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<DIV>I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump some green
into somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the powers that be would shoot
it down qwicker than a flying man hole cover.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats
ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live
in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up.
Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>skyhawkc-172@comcast.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt">V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt">maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately
it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols
full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Moe - Ross Racing
Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com> <BR><BR>> --> Commander-List message
posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <BR>> <BR><MOE@ROSSPISTONS.COM>>
<BR>> Nico, <BR>> <BR>> This was a long drawn out project, and
anyone with less drive and tenacity <BR>> than Dick Macoon would have given
up in the very early stages. Trying to <BR>> certify a water cooled V-8 with
the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. <BR>> This was originally the
Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. <BR>> Here at my office I
believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to <BR>> Dick talk about
some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that <BR>> they faced
and solved is most interesting. <BR>> <BR>> Regards, <BR>> <BR>>
Moe <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <B
R>&
; gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <BR><NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM>> <BR>> Exactly my thoughts. <BR>> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who <BR>> pulled the plug on the project and why. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. <BR>> Randazzo <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Or
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ngine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randaz zo" <B R><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">> <BR><RSRANDAZZO@PRECISIONMANUALS.COM>> <BR>> Nico- <BR>> <BR>> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill <BR>> Leff's name. <BR>> <BR>> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was <BR>> out there in easy reach. <BR>> <BR>> Robert S. Randazzo <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <BR>> --> <BR><NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM>> <BR>> I put a shortcut higher u
p in t
he hierarchy. <BR>> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp <BR>> Thanks <BR>> Nico <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message---- - <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim <BR>> Addington <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <BR>> <BR><JTADDINGTON@CHARTER.NET>> <BR>> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. <BR>> <BR>> Jim Addington <BR>> N444BD <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "nico css" <BR><NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM>> To: <BR><COMMANDER-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM <BR>> Subject: RE:
Comman
der-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <BR>> > <BR><NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM>> > <BR>> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: <BR>> > <BR>> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr <BR>> > endaEngine/ <BR>> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. <BR>> > Thanks <BR>> > Nico <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan <BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM <BR>> > To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> >
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t; > --> Commander-List message posted by: "inphelan" <BR><NICKPHELAN@QWEST.NET>> > <BR>> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more <BR>> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft ! <BR>> > <BR>> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is <BR>> > unlikely <BR>> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across <BR>> > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... <BR>> > <BR>> > [2 pics attached] <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Read this topic online here: <BR>> > <BR>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Attachments: <BR>> > <BR>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685
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