---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/21/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Robert S. Randazzo) 2. 04:13 AM - Re: Switch (Harry Merritt) 3. 05:21 AM - Re: Orenda Engine (N395V) 4. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (nico css) 5. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Robert S. Randazzo) 6. 02:33 PM - Re: Switch (Donnie Rose) 7. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons) 8. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... (Budplaster@aol.com) 9. 06:58 PM - Blue book question () 10. 07:14 PM - Re: Blue book question (nico css) 11. 07:33 PM - Re: Blue book question () 12. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 13. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (nico css) 14. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (CloudCraft@aol.com) 15. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Robert S. Randazzo) 16. 11:13 PM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:36 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine Nico- The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill Leff's name. The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was out there in easy reach. Robert S. Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine --> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > endaEngine/ > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > unlikely > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > [2 pics attached] > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > __________ NOD32 2072 (20070220) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:06 AM PST US From: "Harry Merritt" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Switch I Have the Switch Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: BillLeff1@aol.com To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Switch Try Lance Aircraft in Dallas. They supply parts for AT-6's and I know they have AN3022-10's. They may have the -11's also. It is just a momentary contact version of that series. The AN3022-10 is part of the throttle switch assembly p/n 34A6066 on a T-6G Their number is 800-752-4005 Bill Leff ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:15 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Orenda Engine From: "N395V" > The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was > out there in easy reach. > > But then you wouldn't have 414C cause I woulda slapped on the Orendas and kept her. -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket www.excaliburaviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'465#96465 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:16 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine Exactly my thoughts. It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who pulled the plug on the project and why. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine Nico- The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill Leff's name. The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was out there in easy reach. Robert S. Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine --> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > endaEngine/ > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > unlikely > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > [2 pics attached] > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > __________ NOD32 2072 (20070220) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:57 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Orenda Engine You know Milt- I was going to say that... Hahahahah Robert Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 05:21 Subject: Commander-List: Re: Orenda Engine > The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the > option was out there in easy reach. > > But then you wouldn't have 414C cause I woulda slapped on the Orendas and kept her. -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket www.excaliburaviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'465#96465 __________ NOD32 2073 (20070221) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:07 PM PST US From: Donnie Rose Subject: Re: Commander-List: Switch Great Harry, how much do you want for it?=0A=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8 444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Harry Merritt =0ATo: commander-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, Febr uary 21, 2007 6:12:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Switch=0A=0A=0AI Ha ve the Switch=0AHarry=0A321 267-3141=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom : BillLeff1@aol.com =0ATo: commander-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:27 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Switch=0A=0A=0ATry Lance Aircraft in Dallas. They supply parts for AT-6's and I know they hav e AN3022-10's. They may have the -11's also. It is just a momentary contact version of that series. The AN3022-10 is part of the throttle switch assem bly p/n 34A6066 on a T-6G=0ATheir number is 800-752-4005=0A =0ABill Leff=0A =0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.c =================0A=0A=0A =0A______________ ______________________________________________________________________=0ADo p://new.mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:22 PM PST US From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine Nico, This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that they faced and solved is most interesting. Regards, Moe -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine Exactly my thoughts. It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who pulled the plug on the project and why. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine Nico- The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill Leff's name. The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was out there in easy reach. Robert S. Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine --> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > endaEngine/ > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > unlikely > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > [2 pics attached] > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > __________ NOD32 2072 (20070220) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:45 PM PST US From: Budplaster@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... When I purchased 685TT in January, 2006, in Midland, Tx. someone told me that the Orenda Engine Project was being conducted in Midland. I can't remember who told me, but it may have been Dick MacCoon. Buddy


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:26 PM PST US From: Subject: Commander-List: Blue book question Hi All, I know this is a Commander list, but I was hoping somebody could help me out with a Cessna price question... Does anybody know the approximate price of a 1979 Cessna 310 R II Turbo in 1986/87 with about 400-500 hrs TT, Known Ice, loaded panel? Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be swearing on the Commander list. :-) If anybody has an old blue book, or if you remember some of the prices back then, I'd be grateful for that info. Thanks in advance. God bless, Andrew ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:52 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blue book question Hi Andrew, I trust the kids are doing well. I hope this will help: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Cessna310/ Click on files and view some stats on the 310 Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andrew.bridget@telus.net Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: Commander-List: Blue book question Hi All, I know this is a Commander list, but I was hoping somebody could help me out with a Cessna price question... Does anybody know the approximate price of a 1979 Cessna 310 R II Turbo in 1986/87 with about 400-500 hrs TT, Known Ice, loaded panel? Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be swearing on the Commander list. :-) If anybody has an old blue book, or if you remember some of the prices back then, I'd be grateful for that info. Thanks in advance. God bless, Andrew ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:30 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blue book question Nico, you are a star! Thank you so much. Kids are well, thanks. Rebecca has settled down well and the boys love their new little sister. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blue book question Hi Andrew, I trust the kids are doing well. I hope this will help: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Cessna310/ Click on files and view some stats on the 310 Thanks Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andrew.bridget@telus.net Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:58 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Blue book question Hi All, I know this is a Commander list, but I was hoping somebody could help me out with a Cessna price question... Does anybody know the approximate price of a 1979 Cessna 310 R II Turbo in 1986/87 with about 400-500 hrs TT, Known Ice, loaded panel? Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be swearing on the Commander list. :-) If anybody has an old blue book, or if you remember some of the prices back then, I'd be grateful for that info. Thanks in advance. God bless, Andrew ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:57 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material! maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well... -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" > > > Nico, > > This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity > than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to > certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. > This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. > Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to > Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that > they faced and solved is most interesting. > > Regards, > > Moe > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > > Exactly my thoughts. > It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who > pulled the plug on the project and why. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. > Randazzo > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > > > Nico- > > The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill > Leff's name. > > The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was > out there in easy reach. > > Robert S. Randazzo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > --> > > I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Addington > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > > > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > > endaEngine/ > > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > > Thanks > > Nico > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft ! > > > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > > unlikely > > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > > > [2 pics attached] > > > > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2072 (20070220) Information __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified.  Oh well...
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>

> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons"
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
& gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randaz zo" >
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message---- -
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "inphelan"
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:44 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material! maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well... -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" > > > Nico, > > This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity > than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to > certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. > This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. > Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to > Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that > they faced and solved is most interesting. > > Regards, > > Moe > > -----Original Message----- & gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > > Exactly my thoughts. > It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who > pulled the plug on the project and why. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. > Randazzo > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > > Nico- > > The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill > Leff's name. > > The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was > out there in easy reach. > > Robert S. Randazzo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > --> > > I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message---- - > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Addington > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > > > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > > endaEngine/ > > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > > Thanks > > Nico > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft ! > > > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > > unlikely > > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > > > [2 pics attached] > > > > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ====== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:21 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine In a message dated 21-Feb-07 20:29:27 Pacific Standard Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. I visited the Shadow Race Team facilities in Marina, California (near the former Fort Ord) around 1979. This was the test cell facility Mr. RPM was using to run and Dynamo the Thunder Engine. The FAA could not comprehend the ideas, technology nor the alloys Mr. RPM was using in this engine and thus made them do a tear down every 50 hours, if I'm not mistaken on the interval. Lots of red tape, resulting in red ink and finally they had to surrender. Then, almost 20 years later the Orenda Engine flew. Dakota Aero was in business to do the conversions. Somewhere between North Dakota and Canada where the engines were to be built, money, patients and relationships ran out and it all came to a stop. Again. I'm kind of excited to hear there may be one more swing at this -- it's the closest and most realistic engine retrofit for the 680F series and 685 Commanders. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:49 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine Nico- When the autopilot on N414C went Tango Uniform- I discovered that it was goign to be as expensive to fix as it would be to replace with a modern new autopilot. I started out on my quest to find a solution that would work for me AND would get approved by FAA. If my initial experience were a sitcom- the TV Guide synopsis would read like this: "Pilot interested to enhance the safety of a 685 Commander approaches the FAA with proposal to remove 1960s vintage euipment and replace it with modern technology capable of reducing pilot workload and improving safety of flight for the airplane. Hilarity ensues." It only took 17 months- but I was finally able to find a fellow (two actually) at FAA who thought the idea had merit strictly from a safety standpoint... These guys were open minded- heard my suggestion out- did some research and then advocated on my behalf to the boss at the ACO. Now THAT is how the relationship with FAA **SHOULD** work. Robert Randazzo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 20:26 Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material! maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well... -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" > > > Nico, > > This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity > than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to > certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. > This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. > Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to > Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that > they faced and solved is most interesting. > > Regards, > > Moe > > -----Original Message----- & gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > > Exactly my thoughts. > It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who > pulled the plug on the project and why. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. > Randazzo > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > > Nico- > > The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill > Leff's name. > > The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was > out there in easy reach. > > Robert S. Randazzo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > --> > > I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message---- - > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Addington > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > > > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > > endaEngine/ > > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > > Thanks > > Nico > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft ! > > > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > > unlikely > > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > > > [2 pics attached] > > > > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ====== ========= > > > __________ NOD32 2074 (20070221) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:01 PM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump some green into somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the powers that be would shoot it down qwicker than a flying man hole cover. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "nico css" You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath. From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material! maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well... -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" > > > Nico, > > This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity > than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to > certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. > This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. > Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to > Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that > they faced and solved is most interesting. > > Regards, > > Moe > > -----Original Message----- & gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > > Exactly my thoughts. > It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who > pulled the plug on the project and why. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. > Randazzo > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > > Nico- > > The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill > Leff's name. > > The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was > out there in easy reach. > > Robert S. Randazzo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine > > --> > > I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp > Thanks > Nico > > > -----Original Message---- - > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Addington > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > > > > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: > > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr > > endaEngine/ > > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. > > Thanks > > Nico > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... > > > > > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more > > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft ! > > > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is > > unlikely > > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across > > North Carolina's countryside, and all...... > > > > [2 pics attached] > > > > > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ====== ========= > > >
I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump some green into somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the powers that be would shoot it down qwicker than a flying man hole cover.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>

You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath.

 

 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine

 

V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!

maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified.  Oh well...

 

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>

> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons"
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message----- & ; gt; From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Or enda E ngine
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randaz zo" >
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher u p in t he hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message---- -
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Comman der-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
&g t; > --> Commander-List message posted by: "inphelan"
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685 cabin_ 833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ====== =========
>
>
> 

 
 
 
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