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1. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Tylor Hall)
2. 10:08 AM - Re: Need a Parts Manual for 690A (Nick Martin)
3. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
4. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Orenda Engine (CloudCraft@aol.com)
5. 02:10 PM - Re: Need a Parts Manual for 690A (David Owens)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Orenda Engine |
I found this on the web. It gives a recap of the Orenda engine.
Orenda in Canada shut down the V-8 engine several years ago and sold
off the engine to someone in TX.
Read the last paragraph about Texas Recip and the President being
sentenced to 3 years and 5 months for defrauding investors.
Another story of aviation progress.
Tylor Hall
On Feb 22, 2007, at 12:12 AM, skyhawkc-172@comcast.net wrote:
> I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump
> some green into somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the
> powers that be would shoot it down qwicker than a flying man hole
> cover.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think
> that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their
> chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed
> up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath.
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
>
> maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series
> Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few
> 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh
> well...
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe@rosspistons.com>
>
> >
> >
> > Nico,
> >
> > This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and
> tenacity
> > than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages.
> Trying to
> > certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost
> insurmountable task.
> > This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have
> the info.
> > Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978?
> Listening to
> > Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business
> wise) that
> > they faced and solved is most interesting.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Moe
> >
> > -----Original Message----- & ; gt; From: owner-commander-list-
> server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> nico css
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
> >
> >
> > Exactly my thoughts.
> > It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I
> wonder who
> > pulled the plug on the project and why.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robert S.
> > Randazzo
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Or enda E ngine
> >
> >
> > Nico-
> >
> > The best part about that footage was being able to put a face
> with Bill
> > Leff's name.
> >
> > The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the
> option was
> > out there in easy reach.
> >
> > Robert S. Randazzo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> nico css
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
> >
> > -->
> >
> > I put a shortcut higher u p in t he hierarchy.
> > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message---- -
> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Addington
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost
> track of....
> >
> >
> >
> > Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "nico css"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: Comman der-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost
> track of....
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander
> flying:
> > >
> > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/
> AeroCommanderOr
> > > endaEngine/
> > > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > > Thanks
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> inphelan
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > > To: commander-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track
> of....
> > >
> > >
> > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not
> dump more
> > > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> > >
> > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > > unlikely
> > > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being
> scattered across
> > > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> > >
> > > [2 pics attached]
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Attachments:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685 cabin_ 833.jpg
> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ====== ========
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Need a Parts Manual for 690A |
David thank you for the source info,,,Nick
Nicolas E. Martin
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need a Parts Manual for 690A
go to http://www.esscoaircraft.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2549 for
the manual
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
Wing Commander,
Do you remember who all you talked to while you were at the UPO Shadow Group
seven establishment? Was Lee Muher (spelling) still with the project then/
Regards,
Moe
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
In a message dated 21-Feb-07 20:29:27 Pacific Standard Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really
screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly
reminiscing about the many lives they messed up.
I visited the Shadow Race Team facilities in Marina, California (near the
former Fort Ord) around 1979. This was the test cell facility Mr. RPM was
using to run and Dynamo the Thunder Engine.
The FAA could not comprehend the ideas, technology nor the alloys Mr. RPM
was using in this engine and thus made them do a tear down every 50 hours,
if I'm not mistaken on the interval.
Lots of red tape, resulting in red ink and finally they had to surrender.
Then, almost 20 years later the Orenda Engine flew. Dakota Aero was in
business to do the conversions. Somewhere between North Dakota and Canada
where the engines were to be built, money, patients and relationships ran
out and it all came to a stop. Again.
I'm kind of excited to hear there may be one more swing at this -- it's the
closest and most realistic engine retrofit for the 680F series and 685
Commanders.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Orenda Engine |
Moe,
A friend of mine (since gone West - so I can't reach back and ask) was
friends with a technician named Tony who was running the test cell.
Tony also has an aviation background and is/was a principal in an aircraft
maintenance facility at Salinas, CA (KSNS), lived in Pacific Grove, but beyond
that, I can't remember his details.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Need a Parts Manual for 690A |
You are welcome. I haft to finad all kinds of stuff for our planes, and
some of it pretty hard to get. These guys here helped me greatly in my
time of need, and I would like to return the favor...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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