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1. 08:29 AM - Panel gauge needed (Ray Mansfield)
2. 08:41 AM - Re: Panel gauge needed (David Owens)
3. 08:56 AM - Re: Panel gauge needed (MASON Chevaillier)
4. 09:07 AM - Re: Panel gauge needed (Ray Mansfield)
5. 12:10 PM - Re: Panel gauge needed (John Vormbaum)
6. 04:05 PM - Re: Panel gauge needed (Ray Mansfield)
7. 04:48 PM - Re: Panel gauge needed (DP)
8. 05:24 PM - Re: Panel gauge needed (Ray Mansfield)
9. 05:38 PM - Re: Panel gauge needed (John Vormbaum)
10. 06:20 PM - Fw: worlds smallest airplane (DP)
11. 06:28 PM - Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane (CloudCraft@aol.com)
12. 06:39 PM - Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane (nico css)
13. 06:44 PM - Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane (John Vormbaum)
14. 06:45 PM - Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane (Nancy Gilliam)
15. 07:41 PM - Re: Panel gauge needed (YOURTCFG@aol.com)
16. 08:33 PM - Re: Panel gauge needed (BillLeff1@aol.com)
17. 08:47 PM - Re: Panel gauge needed (Ray Mansfield)
18. 10:11 PM - Fw: worlds smallest airplane (DP)
19. 11:11 PM - Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane (nico css)
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| Subject: | Panel gauge needed |
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure, oil
pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in one
gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the instrument:
AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into the casing and
then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part. Thank
you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Have you tried the overhaul method? We have had ours done many times.
David Owens
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N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Panel gauge needed |
rm, you might call commander aero and talk to gary, he may have the old
ones from my plane when we re did the panel. mason
>From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier@cox.net>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:29:16 -0600
>
>Hello,
>
> Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure, oil
>pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in one
>gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the instrument:
>AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into the casing and
>then drip on the floor.
>
> Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part. Thank
>you.
>
>Ray Mansfield
>hcourier@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Thanks for the info David. We checked and overhaul time was 2-3 weeks
and we're real busy flying right now. The gauge is leaking fuel real bad
now and it's not safe to fly it as it is.
Ray Mansfield
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From: David Owens
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Have you tried the overhaul method? We have had ours done many times.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a couple
of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a couple of
years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I discovered
it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and generally
feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the airplane so I
searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the leak. Glad to hear
that you discovered it before having a similar (or worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure, oil
pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in one
gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the instrument:
AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into the casing and
then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part.
Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Hello John,
Thanks for the information, I'll call Morris.
I had a feeling the gauge was leaking as there was an almost
unnoticeable film of blue/green below unit. I had actually told
maintenance to look at the gauge when I returned from the next flight.
Well, during the next flight it started visibly dripping from the bottom
of the gauge and I could see about 1/8" accumulated in the gauge itself
at about the half-way point of the flight. Was glad to get on the
ground.
Sounds like yours was really putting out the fuel. I never could smell
much in the way of fumes...don't know whether it would have made me sick
or not.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a couple
of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a couple of
years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I discovered
it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and generally
feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the airplane so I
searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the leak. Glad to hear
that you discovered it before having a similar (or worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure, oil
pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in one
gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the instrument:
AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into the casing and
then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part.
Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Ray:
I had a similar occurrence with my 500B. The gage's fuel chamber is
plumbed to an overboard drain, when the aneroid inside the gage develops
a leak fuel is supposed to drain to the outside. Trouble is that the
gasket in the fuel chamber usually dries up and shrinks allowing fuel to
get in the cabin. In my case fuel was leaking down into an energized
Hoskins fuel totalizer. No matter how much you like that 100LL smell
this particular situation can be disconcerning while operating in the
clouds. As you know, the Commander has oil, fuel and hydraulic fluid
all coming into the cabin. This makes a strong case for remote sensing
gages thus eliminating flammables from entering the cabin altogether.
Century Instruments can overhaul the gages, they advised that some of
the aneroids are becoming unobtanium these days in which case you may
have to settle for a different full scale range for the fuel segment.
DP
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello John,
Thanks for the information, I'll call Morris.
I had a feeling the gauge was leaking as there was an almost
unnoticeable film of blue/green below unit. I had actually told
maintenance to look at the gauge when I returned from the next flight.
Well, during the next flight it started visibly dripping from the bottom
of the gauge and I could see about 1/8" accumulated in the gauge itself
at about the half-way point of the flight. Was glad to get on the
ground.
Sounds like yours was really putting out the fuel. I never could
smell much in the way of fumes...don't know whether it would have made
me sick or not.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a
couple of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a
couple of years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I
discovered it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and
generally feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the
airplane so I searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the
leak. Glad to hear that you discovered it before having a similar (or
worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure,
oil pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in
one gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the
instrument: AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into
the casing and then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part.
Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Thanks DP, interesting.
RM
----- Original Message -----
From: DP
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Ray:
I had a similar occurrence with my 500B. The gage's fuel chamber is
plumbed to an overboard drain, when the aneroid inside the gage develops
a leak fuel is supposed to drain to the outside. Trouble is that the
gasket in the fuel chamber usually dries up and shrinks allowing fuel to
get in the cabin. In my case fuel was leaking down into an energized
Hoskins fuel totalizer. No matter how much you like that 100LL smell
this particular situation can be disconcerning while operating in the
clouds. As you know, the Commander has oil, fuel and hydraulic fluid
all coming into the cabin. This makes a strong case for remote sensing
gages thus eliminating flammables from entering the cabin altogether.
Century Instruments can overhaul the gages, they advised that some of
the aneroids are becoming unobtanium these days in which case you may
have to settle for a different full scale range for the fuel segment.
DP
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello John,
Thanks for the information, I'll call Morris.
I had a feeling the gauge was leaking as there was an almost
unnoticeable film of blue/green below unit. I had actually told
maintenance to look at the gauge when I returned from the next flight.
Well, during the next flight it started visibly dripping from the bottom
of the gauge and I could see about 1/8" accumulated in the gauge itself
at about the half-way point of the flight. Was glad to get on the
ground.
Sounds like yours was really putting out the fuel. I never could
smell much in the way of fumes...don't know whether it would have made
me sick or not.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a
couple of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a
couple of years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I
discovered it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and
generally feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the
airplane so I searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the
leak. Glad to hear that you discovered it before having a similar (or
worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure,
oil pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in
one gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the
instrument: AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into
the casing and then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the
part. Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier@cox.net
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
What was weird about my gauge leak was that it wasn't leaking enough to
smell fumes or see anything, but there was plenty of vapor enough to
make both me & my copilot friend very ill. I would've been better off
with a worse leak I think, because I would have immediately noticed it
and gotten the airplane down.
Cheers,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello John,
Thanks for the information, I'll call Morris.
I had a feeling the gauge was leaking as there was an almost
unnoticeable film of blue/green below unit. I had actually told
maintenance to look at the gauge when I returned from the next flight.
Well, during the next flight it started visibly dripping from the bottom
of the gauge and I could see about 1/8" accumulated in the gauge itself
at about the half-way point of the flight. Was glad to get on the
ground.
Sounds like yours was really putting out the fuel. I never could
smell much in the way of fumes...don't know whether it would have made
me sick or not.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a
couple of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a
couple of years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I
discovered it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and
generally feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the
airplane so I searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the
leak. Glad to hear that you discovered it before having a similar (or
worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure,
oil pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in
one gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the
instrument: AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into
the casing and then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part.
Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier@cox.net
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
So small, it's invisible! (At least via my email server.)
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
DP, now that's really small.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DP
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
He probably meant this little fella here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU
Of course, anyone willing to fly that should probably have their
certificate revoked on general principle ;-).
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
So small, it's invisible! (At least via my email server.)
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
Mine too!!
Roland
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>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:28:06 EST
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>So small, it's invisible! (At least via my email server.)
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Try John owner in KC. He keeps some in stock. .816-472-7711 JB
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Call Sam Cambell At Air Capital Instruments in Wichita 316-942-8668. He has
a lot of old equipment or can repair a lot of it.
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| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Thanks Bill. Will call him in the morning.
RM
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Call Sam Cambell At Air Capital Instruments in Wichita 316-942-8668.
He has a lot of old equipment or can repair a lot of it.
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| Subject: | Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
Flying lawnmowers should be illegal.
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Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
He probably meant this little fella here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU
Of course, anyone willing to fly that should probably have their certificate
revoked on general principle ;-).
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So small, it's invisible! (At least via my email server.)
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