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1. 04:51 AM - Re: 500B (John Towner)
2. 06:58 AM - Re: 500B (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
3. 08:18 AM - Re: 500B (Donnie Rose)
4. 08:18 AM - Re: 500B (Donnie Rose)
5. 08:21 AM - Re: 500B (Donnie Rose)
6. 08:25 AM - Re: 500B (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
7. 08:36 AM - Re: 500B (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
8. 10:26 AM - Re: 500B (MASON Chevaillier)
9. 06:59 PM - Re: 500B (Tylor Hall)
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*Donnie,
(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is 120 +
or - for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot think of
needing best glide speed only if you would have a double engine failure
and hopefully you will never need to use it. Take care and fly safe.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner
Central Air
Kansas City
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Donnie Rose wrote:
> Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of
> Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day,
> this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?
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I was thinking about "best glide speed" two weeks ago, when I
lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the "right"
engine. Imagine that.problems with "both" engines at the same
time. (That's why I declared an emergency) So far, it looks like
the left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod
bolt). Even though the engine ran out of oil, there is no
evidence of a seizure due to lack of oil. We are still working
on a cause. As you may recall, cylinders were replaced in both
engines during the annual. It turns out that "old" rings were
installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine. We
will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to
look at those rings. I will keep you guys informed as we learn
more.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
John Towner
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B
Donnie,
(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is
120 + or - for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot
think of needing best glide speed only if you would have a double
engine failure and hopefully you will never need to use it. Take
care and fly safe.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner
Central Air
Kansas City
Donnie Rose wrote:
Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of
Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the
day, this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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Yes sir Mr. Towner, double failure would take the prize! I was doing a litt
le mental exercise the other night when my engines went to "Automatic Rough
". They (or my mind) must need the sun up!=0AI was thinking that around 120
would be the mark.=0AThank you very much for your help.=0ABest regards,=0A
=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message --
--=0AFrom: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>=0ATo: commander-lis
t@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 8:55:32 AM=0ASubject: RE: Com
mander-List: 500B=0A=0A=0AI was thinking about =93best glide speed=94 two w
eeks ago, when I lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the
=93right=94 engine. Imagine that=85problems with =93both=94 engines at the
same time. (That=92s why I declared an emergency) So far, it looks like t
he left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod bolt). Even tho
ugh the engine ran out of oil, there is no evidence of a seizure due to lac
k of oil. We are still working on a cause. As you may recall, cylinders w
ere replaced in both engines during the annual. It turns out that =93old
=94 rings were installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine
. We will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to look at
those rings. I will keep you guys informed as we learn more.=0A =0ARandy
Dettmer, AIA=0A680F/N6253X=0A =0ADettmerArchitecture=0A663 Hill Street, San
Luis Obispo, CA 93405=0A805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865=0Awww.dettmerarch
itecture.com=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-
server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On B
ehalf Of John Towner=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:53 AM=0ATo: commander
-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: 500B=0A =0ADonnie,=0A=0A
(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is 120 + or -
for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot think of needing be
st glide speed only if you would have a double engine failure and hopefully
you will never need to use it. Take care and fly safe.=0A=0ARESPECTFULLY,
=0A=0AJohn Towner=0ACentral Air=0AKansas City=0A=0ADonnie Rose wrote:=0A=0A
=0AFellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of Glide"
speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day, this was com
mon knowledge yet, not publicized?=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A
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Randy, sorry to hear of your failure. I am sure glad you fellows got down w
/o harm!=0AI believe Mr. Towner is right on with the BGS of 120 +/-.=0A=0A
=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----
=0AFrom: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>=0ATo: commander-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 8:55:32 AM=0ASubject: RE: Comma
nder-List: 500B=0A=0A=0AI was thinking about =93best glide speed=94 two wee
ks ago, when I lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the
=93right=94 engine. Imagine that=85problems with =93both=94 engines at the
same time. (That=92s why I declared an emergency) So far, it looks like t
he left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod bolt). Even tho
ugh the engine ran out of oil, there is no evidence of a seizure due to lac
k of oil. We are still working on a cause. As you may recall, cylinders w
ere replaced in both engines during the annual. It turns out that =93old
=94 rings were installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine
. We will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to look at
those rings. I will keep you guys informed as we learn more.=0A =0ARandy
Dettmer, AIA=0A680F/N6253X=0A =0ADettmerArchitecture=0A663 Hill Street, San
Luis Obispo, CA 93405=0A805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865=0Awww.dettmerarch
itecture.com=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-
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ehalf Of John Towner=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:53 AM=0ATo: commander
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(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is 120 + or -
for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot think of needing be
st glide speed only if you would have a double engine failure and hopefully
you will never need to use it. Take care and fly safe.=0A=0ARESPECTFULLY,
=0A=0AJohn Towner=0ACentral Air=0AKansas City=0A=0ADonnie Rose wrote:=0A=0A
=0AFellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of Glide"
speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day, this was com
mon knowledge yet, not publicized?=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A
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Good morning John and thanks for the reply. It looks like around 120 mph is
the best glide speed.=0ARegards,=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A
=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: John Vormbaum <john@vormbaum.c
om>=0ATo: commander-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:00:
22 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: 500B=0A=0A=0AMine says nothing about i
t, but I think BROG speeds weren't required for twins. I would imagine it's
somewhere between Vx & Vy, but that might just be misfiring memory neurons
from flying singles...=0A =0A/J=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Do
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Randy, I was talking with my mechanic and telling him about you near Death
experience. My mechanic said it sounded like the rings may not have been
installed correctly on the new cylinders thus allowing the blow by. He also said
that on Millinium and eci cylinders you have to be carewful to get thew correct
rings in the correct slots. I hope this bit of info can be of some help Gil
Walker
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Thanks Gil for the input. We have definitely considered that
possibility. It's still on the table for discussion. The fact
that "both" engines experienced similar symptoms at the same
time, after having cylinders replaced sure raises some eyebrows.
RD
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B
Randy, I was talking with my mechanic and telling him about you
near Death experience. My mechanic said it sounded like the rings
may not have been installed correctly on the new cylinders thus
allowing the blow by. He also said that on Millinium and eci
cylinders you have to be carewful to get thew correct rings in
the correct slots. I hope this bit of info can be of some help
Gil Walker
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rd, i sure hope you have a mechanic that "owns" his work. so far i have
found very very few who do. mason
>From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer@charter.net>
>To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500B
>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 06:55:32 -0800
>
>I was thinking about "best glide speed" two weeks ago, when I
>lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the "right"
>engine. Imagine that.problems with "both" engines at the same
>time. (That's why I declared an emergency) So far, it looks like
>the left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod
>bolt). Even though the engine ran out of oil, there is no
>evidence of a seizure due to lack of oil. We are still working
>on a cause. As you may recall, cylinders were replaced in both
>engines during the annual. It turns out that "old" rings were
>installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine. We
>will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to
>look at those rings. I will keep you guys informed as we learn
>more.
>
>Randy Dettmer, AIA
>680F/N6253X
>
>DettmerArchitecture
>663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
>www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>John Towner
>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:53 AM
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B
>
>Donnie,
>
>(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is
>120 + or - for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot
>think of needing best glide speed only if you would have a double
>engine failure and hopefully you will never need to use it. Take
>care and fly safe.
>
>RESPECTFULLY,
>
>John Towner
>Central Air
>Kansas City
>
>Donnie Rose wrote:
>
>
>Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of
>Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the
>day, this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?
>
>Donnie Rose
>205/492-8444
>
>
> _____
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Randy,
Just a short question. I was taught when in a single engine
approach, I was to hold putting the landing gear down until I had the
landing made. When did you put your landing gear down?
Tylor Hall
On Mar 5, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
> Thanks Gil for the input. We have definitely considered that
> possibility. It=92s still on the table for discussion. The fact
> that =93both=94 engines experienced similar symptoms at the same time,
> after having cylinders replaced sure raises some eyebrows.
>
>
> RD
>
>
> DettmerArchitecture
>
> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
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> commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of WINGFLYER1@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:25 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B
>
>
> Randy, I was talking with my mechanic and telling him about you
> near Death experience. My mechanic said it sounded like the rings
> may not have been installed correctly on the new cylinders thus
> allowing the blow by. He also said that on Millinium and eci
> cylinders you have to be carewful to get thew correct rings in the
> correct slots. I hope this bit of info can be of some help Gil Walker
>
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