---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/21/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:02 AM - The Death of N4186B (Bruce Campbell) 2. 09:21 AM - Re: The Death of N4186B (BertBerry1) 3. 09:36 AM - Re: The Death of N4186B (Bruce Campbell) 4. 10:02 AM - Re: The Death of N4186B (Don Girod) 5. 10:03 AM - Re: The Death of N4186B (Barry Collman) 6. 10:11 AM - Re: The Death of N4186B (John Vormbaum) 7. 10:24 AM - Re: The Death of N4186B (Bruce Campbell) 8. 11:41 AM - Re: The Death of N4186B (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 9. 08:40 PM - Re: The Death of N4186B (YOURTCFG@aol.com) 10. 08:42 PM - Re: Carb heat cables (YOURTCFG@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:24 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B From: Bruce Campbell King County Sherriff's aviation division drove a fuel truck into the wing of 4186B last week. It damaged the truck. The wing of the plane appears to be damaged structurally all the way to the wing root as well as the control linkages and possibly pullies in the fuselage (they ran into the aileron from behind). I believe it is a clear total. King County is self insured. When (if) I get the insurance (compensation) I will be looking for another Twin Commander. It won't be for a while, I suspect. But sometime this summer I think the thing to do will be a plane Cleveland brakes and a good autopilot already certified, and props at least some distance from inspection. I suspect that would be a 680 or 560F. My budget would be somewhere south of 100k. Any candidates that folks could recommend would be greatly appreciated. I've enjoyed flying the 520 . Flying patrols in it was fabulous (a *big* plane at 500ft above the San Juans, occasionally having to turn those tight figure eights to inspect something. It doesn't get much better). As a cross country machine it was just plain (or plane?) delight. It always had plenty of power, and handled well., and after a few fixes to the undercarriage, it taxied well. The best part was TC, who was always ready to help, either with parts or the necessary info, to keep 'em flying. Oh well... Bruce Campbell AC52 N4186B ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:00 AM PST US From: BertBerry1 Subject: Re: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B Hey Bruce, Sorry for your lose, it looks like N4186B cheated death once before in Flori da. Would you happen to have any photos that you could share with us? Thanks, Bert In a message dated 03/21/07 11:05:47 Central Daylight Time, brcamp@windows.m icrosoft.com writes: King County Sherriff=99s aviation division drove a fuel truck into the wing of 4186B last week. It damaged the truck. The wing of the plane appe ars to be damaged structurally all the way to the wing root as well as the c ontrol linkages and possibly pullies in the fuselage (they ran into the aile ron from behind). I believe it is a clear total. King County is self insure d. When (if) I get the insurance (compensation) I will be looking for anot her Twin Commander. It won=99t be for a while, I suspect. But sometime this summer I think the thing to do will be a plane Cleveland brakes and a good autopilot alrea dy certified, and props at least some distance from inspection. I suspect that would be a 680 or 560F. My budget would be somewhere south of 100k. A ny candidates that folks could recommend would be greatly appreciated. I=99ve enjoyed flying the 520 . Flying patrols in it was fabulous (a * big* plane at 500ft above the San Juans, occasionally having to turn those t ight figure eights to inspect something. It doesn=99t get much better) . As a cross country machine it was just plain (or plane?) delight. It alw ays had plenty of power, and handled well., and after a few fixes to the und ercarriage, it taxied well. The best part was TC, who was always ready to h elp, either with parts or the necessary info, to keep =98em flying. 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The good news, is you can replace it. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B King County Sherriff's aviation division drove a fuel truck into the wing of 4186B last week. It damaged the truck. The wing of the plane appears to be damaged structurally all the way to the wing root as well as the control linkages and possibly pullies in the fuselage (they ran into the aileron from behind). I believe it is a clear total. King County is self insured. When (if) I get the insurance (compensation) I will be looking for another Twin Commander. It won't be for a while, I suspect. But sometime this summer I think the thing to do will be a plane Cleveland brakes and a good autopilot already certified, and props at least some distance from inspection. I suspect that would be a 680 or 560F. My budget would be somewhere south of 100k. Any candidates that folks could recommend would be greatly appreciated. I've enjoyed flying the 520 . Flying patrols in it was fabulous (a *big* plane at 500ft above the San Juans, occasionally having to turn those tight figure eights to inspect something. It doesn't get much better). As a cross country machine it was just plain (or plane?) delight. It always had plenty of power, and handled well., and after a few fixes to the undercarriage, it taxied well. The best part was TC, who was always ready to help, either with parts or the necessary info, to keep 'em flying. Oh well. Bruce Campbell AC52 N4186B ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 3/21/2007 7:52 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:00 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B Hi Bruce, I'm so sorry to hear the new on 4186B. The fuel truck driver should be strung up. For my database though, would you be kind enough to let me know the date this happened? Sincere Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B I have pictures, need to wait until tomorrow as they are in the camera, which is elsewhere. I know the plane was down on its nose once. We fixed it beautifully after noting a not-so-effective repair before. Bruce From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:14 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B Hey Bruce, Sorry for your lose, it looks like N4186B cheated death once before in Florida. Would you happen to have any photos that you could share with us? Thanks, Bert In a message dated 03/21/07 11:05:47 Central Daylight Time, brcamp@windows.microsoft.com writes: King County Sherriff=99s aviation division drove a fuel truck into the wing of 4186B last week. It damaged the truck. The wing of the plane appears to be damaged structurally all the way to the wing root as well as the control linkages and possibly pullies in the fuselage (they ran into the aileron from behind). I believe it is a clear total. King County is self insured. When (if) I get the insurance (compensation) I will be looking for another Twin Commander. It won=99t be for a while, I suspect. But sometime this summer I think the thing to do will be a plane Cleveland brakes and a good autopilot already certified, and props at least some distance from inspection. I suspect that would be a 680 or 560F. My budget would be somewhere south of 100k. Any candidates that folks could recommend would be greatly appreciated. I=99ve enjoyed flying the 520 . Flying patrols in it was fabulous (a *big* plane at 500ft above the San Juans, occasionally having to turn those tight figure eights to inspect something. It doesn=99t get much better). As a cross country machine it was just plain (or plane?) delight. It always had plenty of power, and handled well., and after a few fixes to the undercarriage, it taxied well. The best part was TC, who was always ready to help, either with parts or the necessary info, to keep =98em flying. Oh well Bruce Campbell AC52 N4186B href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" alt="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List.matronics.com" alt="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ==================== =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,=EF=BD=03g(=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BDM=EF=BDGq=EF=BDz=EF=BD=EF=BD ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:42 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B Bruce, THAT SUCKS! I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I know I would be devastated if something like that happened to my airplane. I hope you stay in the Commander family and find another fine airplane to fly. As morbid as it sounds, I too would like to see photos. Best regards, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B King County Sherriff's aviation division drove a fuel truck into the wing of 4186B last week. It damaged the truck. The wing of the plane appears to be damaged structurally all the way to the wing root as well as the control linkages and possibly pullies in the fuselage (they ran into the aileron from behind). I believe it is a clear total. King County is self insured. When (if) I get the insurance (compensation) I will be looking for another Twin Commander. It won't be for a while, I suspect. But sometime this summer I think the thing to do will be a plane Cleveland brakes and a good autopilot already certified, and props at least some distance from inspection. I suspect that would be a 680 or 560F. My budget would be somewhere south of 100k. Any candidates that folks could recommend would be greatly appreciated. I've enjoyed flying the 520 . Flying patrols in it was fabulous (a *big* plane at 500ft above the San Juans, occasionally having to turn those tight figure eights to inspect something. It doesn't get much better). As a cross country machine it was just plain (or plane?) delight. It always had plenty of power, and handled well., and after a few fixes to the undercarriage, it taxied well. The best part was TC, who was always ready to help, either with parts or the necessary info, to keep 'em flying. Oh well. 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Wonder if N55BW was ever fixed... Brent - N224HA -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell 15th Mar 2007. Bruce From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B Hi Bruce, I'm so sorry to hear the new on 4186B. The fuel truck driver should be strung up. For my database though, would you be kind enough to let me know the date this happened? Sincere Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B I have pictures, need to wait until tomorrow as they are in the camera, which is elsewhere. I know the plane was down on its nose once. We fixed it beautifully after noting a not-so-effective repair before. Bruce From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B Hey Bruce, Sorry for your lose, it looks like N4186B cheated death once before in Florida. Would you happen to have any photos that you could share with us? Thanks, Bert In a message dated 03/21/07 11:05:47 Central Daylight Time, brcamp@windows.microsoft.com writes: King County Sherriffs aviation division drove a fuel truck into the wing of 4186B last week. It damaged the truck. The wing of the plane appears to be damaged structurally all the way to the wing root as well as the control linkages and possibly pullies in the fuselage (they ran into the aileron from behind). I believe it is a clear total. King County is self insured. When (if) I get the insurance (compensation) I will be looking for another Twin Commander. It wont be for a while, I suspect. But sometime this summer I think the thing to do will be a plane Cleveland brakes and a good autopilot already certified, and props at least some distance from inspection. I suspect that would be a 680 or 560F. My budget would be somewhere south of 100k. Any candidates that folks could recommend would be greatly appreciated. Ive enjoyed flying the 520 . Flying patrols in it was fabulous (a *big* plane at 500ft above the San Juans, occasionally having to turn those tight figure eights to inspect something. It doesnt get much better). As a cross country machine it was just plain (or plane?) delight. It always had plenty of power, and handled well., and after a few fixes to the undercarriage, it taxied well. The best part was TC, who was always ready to help, either with parts or the necessary info, to keep em flying. Oh well Bruce Campbell AC52 N4186B href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" alt="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List .matronics.com" alt="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com ~, g(MGqz '"%M4Mz{zi&j)R1kxyn5hhX!Jr*'Z!Ir:0Z6(Z>-Zjw!k0'r5hfu.+-m 0froj j+*&z4N4aSPI j{^joaohfri'rm
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Sorry to here your terrible news, was the ramp guy drinking? or maybe he didn't know where there is an empinage there is likely a wing attached to it.  Wonder if N55BW was ever fixed...
 
Brent - N224HA
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>

15th Mar 2007.

 

Bruce

 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:54 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B

 

Hi Bruce,

 

I'm so sorry to hear the new on 4186B. The fuel truck driver should be strung up.

 

For my database though, would you be kind enough to let me know the date this happened?

 

Sincere Best Regards,

Barry

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:35 PM

Subject: RE: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B

 

I have pictures, need to wait until tomorrow as they are in the camera, which is elsewhere.

I know the plane was down on its nose once.  We fixed it beautifully after noting a not-so-effective repair before. 

 

       Bruce

 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:14 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: The Death of N4186B

 

Hey Bruce,

 

Sorry for your lose, it looks like N4186B cheated death once before in Florida.  Would you happen to have any photos that you could share with us?

 

Thanks,

 

Bert

 

 

 

In a message dated 03/21/07 11:05:47 Central Daylight Time, brcamp@windows.microsoft.com writes:

King County Sherriffs aviation division drove a fuel truck into the wing of 4186B last week.   It damaged the truck. The wing of the plane appears to be damaged structurally all the way to the wing root as well as the control linkages and possibly pullies in the fuselage (they ran into the aileron from behind). I believe it is a clear total.  King County is self insured.   When (if) I get the insurance (compensation) I will be looking for another Twin Commander.

 

It wont be for a while, I suspect. But sometime this summer I think the thing to do will be a plane Cleveland brakes and a good autopilot already certified, and props at least some distance from inspection.   I suspect that would be a 680 or 560F.  My budget would be somewhere south of 100k.  Any candidates that folks could recommend would be greatly appreciated.

 

Ive enjoyed flying the 520 . Flying patrols in it was fabulous (a *big* plane at 500ft above the San Juans, occasionally having to turn those tight figure eights to inspect something. It doesnt get much better).  As a cross country machine it was just plain (or plane?) delight.  It always had plenty of power, and handled well., and after a few fixes to the undercarriage, it taxied well.  The best part was TC, who was always ready to help, either with parts or the necessary info, to keep em flying.

 

Oh well

 

             Bruce Campbell

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