Commander-List Digest Archive

Sun 04/01/07


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 08:15 AM - 26 Years (Jim Addington)
     2. 08:37 AM - Re: 26 Years (Barry Collman)
     3. 10:54 AM - Re: 26 Years (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
     4. 11:45 AM - Re: 26 Years (Jim Addington)
     5. 11:46 AM - Re: 26 Years (Jim Addington)
     6. 01:17 PM - Re: 26 Years (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
     7. 02:28 PM - Re: 26 Years (Don Girod)
     8. 02:32 PM - Re: 26 Years (Bill Bow)
     9. 03:17 PM - Re: 26 Years (Jim Addington)
    10. 04:09 PM - Re: 26 Years (Jim Addington)
    11. 04:10 PM - Re: 26 Years (Jim Addington)
    12. 05:40 PM - Re: 26 Years ()
    13. 05:54 PM - Re: 26 Years (Jim Addington)
    14. 07:30 PM - Re: 26 Years (Don Girod)
    15. 07:38 PM - Re: 26 Years (Jim Addington)
    16. 07:58 PM - Re: 26 Years (Robert S. Randazzo)
    17. 08:00 PM - Re: 26 Years (Don Girod)
    18. 08:05 PM - Re: 26 Years (Jim Addington)
    19. 08:10 PM - Re: 26 Years (Jim Addington)
    20. 11:30 PM - Official Commander-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    21. 11:33 PM - Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:15:16 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: 26 Years
    Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A


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    Time: 08:37:58 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    Happy Anniversary! I don't think any amount is too much to pay for a Commander ;-) Here's to the next 26 years. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A


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    Time: 10:54:19 AM PST US
    From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala@MSN.COM>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    ja, way to go. go fly her to celebrate. mason it is to pretty of a day to waste. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Happy Anniversary! I don't think any amount is too much to pay for a Commander ;-) Here's to the next 26 years. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington<mailto:jtaddington@charter.net> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;<mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List<http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Commander-List>


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    Time: 11:45:30 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    Wish I could, I have to go relieve the care giver that is looking after mother. Thanks Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years ja, way to go. go fly her to celebrate. mason it is to pretty of a day to waste. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Happy Anniversary! I don't think any amount is too much to pay for a Commander ;-) Here's to the next 26 years. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 11:46:30 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    Thanks, it has been a fun plane to fly. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Happy Anniversary! I don't think any amount is too much to pay for a Commander ;-) Here's to the next 26 years. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 01:17:30 PM PST US
    From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    Jim, Happy Commander N444BD Anniversary! Must be a nice plane for you to have kept her all this time. Brent - N224HA -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net> Thanks, it has been a fun plane to fly. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Happy Anniversary! I don't think any amount is too much to pay for a Commander ;-) Here's to the next 26 years. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com <html><body> <DIV><FONT color=#000066>Jim,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000066>Happy Commander N444BD Anniversary!&nbsp; Must be a nice&nbsp;plane for you to have kept her all this time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000066>Brent -&nbsp;N224HA</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Jim Addington" &lt;jtaddington@charter.net&gt; <BR> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16414" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks, it has been a fun plane to fly.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk href="mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk">Barry Collman</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=commander-list@matronics.com href="mailto:commander-list@matronics.com">commander-list@matronics.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:28 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Commander-List: 26 Years</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Happy Anniversary! I don't think any amount is too much to pay for a Commander ;-)<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Here's to the next 26 years.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Very Best Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Barry</DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jtaddington@charter.net href="mailto:jtaddington@charter.net">Jim Addington</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Undisclosed-Recipient:; href="mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:;">Undisclosed-Recipient:;</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:14 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Commander-List: 26 Years</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim Addington</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>N444BD</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>500A</FONT></DIV><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color=#000000 size=2> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"&gt;http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List</A> href="http://forums.matronics.com"&gt;http://forums.matronics.com</A> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color=#000000 size=2> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"&gt;http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List</A> href="http://forums.matronics.com"&gt;http://forums.matronics.com</A> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2 color000000?> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 02:28:50 PM PST US
    From: "Don Girod" <DonGirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    Jim; How many hours have you added on the meter in 26 years? And any emergencies? Hope not. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 3/31/2007 8:54 PM


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    Time: 02:32:07 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
    Subject: 26 Years
    Happy Anniversary. bb _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A


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    Time: 03:17:40 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    Thanks, I have tried to trade it several times but decided what I had fit my needs better and cheaper. Thanks Jim N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Jim, Happy Commander N444BD Anniversary! Must be a nice plane for you to have kept her all this time. Brent - N224HA -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net> Thanks, it has been a fun plane to fly. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Happy Anniversary! I don't think any amount is too much to pay for a Commander ;-) Here's to the next 26 years. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 04:09:33 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    I haven't gotten to put but a little over 700 hrs on it and yes I have had some problems. The gear handle broke off in my hand with the gear up but I managed to fish around enough to get the gear down. I had 4 hydraulic failures before we found the real problem. Then on takeoff I blew one of the hydraulic hoses,that we had replaced. The stand pipe saved the day and did not have any problems with any of them although I was concerned that I would lose all the fluid as I did not know where the leak was. I had the tail slam down because of snow on the elevator, here in Denton, Texas, where we don't get much snow at all. It was parked out side waiting on an inspection, needless to say I now have a tail stand. I rented the plane out when I first got it and had a customer take it to OKC where a storm whip the tail so hard that it popped the internal gust lock loose, that is if he had it installed, and broke the bell crank. I now have an external gust lock and highly recommend every AeroCommander owner have one, if you cannot buy one they are easy to make. I had a prop AD done on it and of course they said I needed a prop blade changed. I went through three spinner back plates and three repaired back plates before I could get it back in to get it checked. Well guess what, the blade was too long, out of balance, and out of pitch. After going round and round with them I finally got a new back plate and spinner out of them, but needless to say, I won't be going back to that shop. One of the back plate cracks was 50 miles of shore that could have gotten interesting if the spinner had broken loose. The next thing was the feathering stop cracked. I think I finally have every thing fixed. Jim Addington N444BD 500A From: Don Girod To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Jim; How many hours have you added on the meter in 26 years? And any emergencies? Hope not. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 3/31/2007 8:54 PM


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    Time: 04:10:33 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    Thanks You will have to come fly with me some time if you are going to sell yours. Jim N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 26 Years Happy Anniversary. bb ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:15 AM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A


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    Time: 05:40:57 PM PST US
    From: <dfalik@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: 26 Years
    Do I understand that you have put 700 hours on your commander in 26 years?? I have had a 500S for 3 years and have 772 hours on it. My wife says I fly too much. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I haven't gotten to put but a little over 700 hrs on it and yes I have had some problems. The gear handle broke off in my hand with the gear up but I managed to fish around enough to get the gear down. I had 4 hydraulic failures before we found the real problem. Then on takeoff I blew one of the hydraulic hoses,that we had replaced. The stand pipe saved the day and did not have any problems with any of them although I was concerned that I would lose all the fluid as I did not know where the leak was. I had the tail slam down because of snow on the elevator, here in Denton, Texas, where we don't get much snow at all. It was parked out side waiting on an inspection, needless to say I now have a tail stand. I rented the plane out when I first got it and had a customer take it to OKC where a storm whip the tail so hard that it popped the internal gust lock loose, that is if he had it installed, and broke the bell crank. I now have an external gust lock and highly recommend every AeroCommander owner have one, if you cannot buy one they are easy to make. I had a prop AD done on it and of course they said I needed a prop blade changed. I went through three spinner back plates and three repaired back plates before I could get it back in to get it checked. Well guess what, the blade was too long, out of balance, and out of pitch. After going round and round with them I finally got a new back plate and spinner out of them, but needless to say, I won't be going back to that shop. One of the back plate cracks was 50 miles of shore that could have gotten interesting if the spinner had broken loose. The next thing was the feathering stop cracked. I think I finally have every thing fixed. Jim Addington N444BD 500A From: Don <mailto:DonGirod@bellsouth.net> Girod Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Jim; How many hours have you added on the meter in 26 years? And any emergencies? Hope not. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington@charter.net> Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _____ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 05:54:33 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    I had a regular flying job and did not get to fly any where as much as I would like to have. I retired and was flying a lot for the USCG AUX until they shut down flying inland and then they shut it down on the coast. They have just come out with a directive that if the engines and props have not been overhauled time wise and years wise you are out. I can't justify $50,000 to do both engines and props on the Commander and the Citabria. The company I worked for for almost 33 years and have been retired from over 10 years cut my retirement by 75% so with that and the price of gas I have not been doing much flying lately. I think the plane has about 3700 hours total time, it had something like 2600 hrs when I bought it. I had a couple of guys that rented it quite a bit until I got concerned about liability. ----- Original Message ----- From: dfalik@sbcglobal.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 26 Years Do I understand that you have put 700 hours on your commander in 26 years?? I have had a 500S for 3 years and have 772 hours on it. My wife says I fly too much. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:09 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I haven't gotten to put but a little over 700 hrs on it and yes I have had some problems. The gear handle broke off in my hand with the gear up but I managed to fish around enough to get the gear down. I had 4 hydraulic failures before we found the real problem. Then on takeoff I blew one of the hydraulic hoses,that we had replaced. The stand pipe saved the day and did not have any problems with any of them although I was concerned that I would lose all the fluid as I did not know where the leak was. I had the tail slam down because of snow on the elevator, here in Denton, Texas, where we don't get much snow at all. It was parked out side waiting on an inspection, needless to say I now have a tail stand. I rented the plane out when I first got it and had a customer take it to OKC where a storm whip the tail so hard that it popped the internal gust lock loose, that is if he had it installed, and broke the bell crank. I now have an external gust lock and highly recommend every AeroCommander owner have one, if you cannot buy one they are easy to make. I had a prop AD done on it and of course they said I needed a prop blade changed. I went through three spinner back plates and three repaired back plates before I could get it back in to get it checked. Well guess what, the blade was too long, out of balance, and out of pitch. After going round and round with them I finally got a new back plate and spinner out of them, but needless to say, I won't be going back to that shop. One of the back plate cracks was 50 miles of shore that could have gotten interesting if the spinner had broken loose. The next thing was the feathering stop cracked. I think I finally have every thing fixed. Jim Addington N444BD 500A From: Don Girod To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Jim; How many hours have you added on the meter in 26 years? And any emergencies? Hope not. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Date: 3/31/2007 8:54 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com - The Commander-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 07:30:29 PM PST US
    From: "Don Girod" <DonGirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I haven't gotten to put but a little over 700 hrs on it Jim; My Commander is a little bit like Linus's blanket, I just enjoy having it around and KNOWING anytime I want, I can go get a God's eye view. Don


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    Time: 07:38:02 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    That is what mine is like too, it's just part of the family. It is that time of the year for mine so it is down right now but don't know of any thing wrong with it, it flew in it ought to fly out, right. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Girod To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I haven't gotten to put but a little over 700 hrs on it Jim; My Commander is a little bit like Linus's blanket, I just enjoy having it around and KNOWING anytime I want, I can go get a God's eye view. Don


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    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: 26 Years
    Jim- You another member of the "Former Employee but Currently Disgruntled UAL Club?" Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 17:54 Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I had a regular flying job and did not get to fly any where as much as I would like to have. I retired and was flying a lot for the USCG AUX until they shut down flying inland and then they shut it down on the coast. They have just come out with a directive that if the engines and props have not been overhauled time wise and years wise you are out. I can't justify $50,000 to do both engines and props on the Commander and the Citabria. The company I worked for for almost 33 years and have been retired from over 10 years cut my retirement by 75% so with that and the price of gas I have not been doing much flying lately. I think the plane has about 3700 hours total time, it had something like 2600 hrs when I bought it. I had a couple of guys that rented it quite a bit until I got concerned about liability. ----- Original Message ----- From: dfalik@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 26 Years Do I understand that you have put 700 hours on your commander in 26 years?? I have had a 500S for 3 years and have 772 hours on it. My wife says I fly too much. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I haven't gotten to put but a little over 700 hrs on it and yes I have had some problems. The gear handle broke off in my hand with the gear up but I managed to fish around enough to get the gear down. I had 4 hydraulic failures before we found the real problem. Then on takeoff I blew one of the hydraulic hoses,that we had replaced. The stand pipe saved the day and did not have any problems with any of them although I was concerned that I would lose all the fluid as I did not know where the leak was. I had the tail slam down because of snow on the elevator, here in Denton, Texas, where we don't get much snow at all. It was parked out side waiting on an inspection, needless to say I now have a tail stand. I rented the plane out when I first got it and had a customer take it to OKC where a storm whip the tail so hard that it popped the internal gust lock loose, that is if he had it installed, and broke the bell crank. I now have an external gust lock and highly recommend every AeroCommander owner have one, if you cannot buy one they are easy to make. I had a prop AD done on it and of course they said I needed a prop blade changed. I went through three spinner back plates and three repaired back plates before I could get it back in to get it checked. Well guess what, the blade was too long, out of balance, and out of pitch. After going round and round with them I finally got a new back plate and spinner out of them, but needless to say, I won't be going back to that shop. One of the back plate cracks was 50 miles of shore that could have gotten interesting if the spinner had broken loose. The next thing was the feathering stop cracked. I think I finally have every thing fixed. Jim Addington N444BD 500A From: Don <mailto:DonGirod@bellsouth.net> Girod Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Jim; How many hours have you added on the meter in 26 years? And any emergencies? Hope not. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington@charter.net> Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. Jim Addington N444BD 500A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _____ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com - The Commander-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com __________ NOD32 2161 (20070401) Information __________


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    Time: 08:00:39 PM PST US
    From: "Don Girod" <DonGirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    Right! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years That is what mine is like too, it's just part of the family. It is that time of the year for mine so it is down right now but don't know of any thing wrong with it, it flew in it ought to fly out, right. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Girod To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I haven't gotten to put but a little over 700 hrs on it Jim; My Commander is a little bit like Linus's blanket, I just enjoy having it around and KNOWING anytime I want, I can go get a God's eye view. Don href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 3/31/2007 8:54 PM


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    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    I am afraid I am out of the Delta club. The retired pilots are the only ones that were targeted. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 26 Years Jim- You another member of the "Former Employee but Currently Disgruntled UAL Club?" Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 17:54 To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I had a regular flying job and did not get to fly any where as much as I would like to have. I retired and was flying a lot for the USCG AUX until they shut down flying inland and then they shut it down on the coast. They have just come out with a directive that if the engines and props have not been overhauled time wise and years wise you are out. I can't justify $50,000 to do both engines and props on the Commander and the Citabria. The company I worked for for almost 33 years and have been retired from over 10 years cut my retirement by 75% so with that and the price of gas I have not been doing much flying lately. I think the plane has about 3700 hours total time, it had something like 2600 hrs when I bought it. I had a couple of guys that rented it quite a bit until I got concerned about liability. ----- Original Message ----- From: dfalik@sbcglobal.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 26 Years Do I understand that you have put 700 hours on your commander in 26 years?? I have had a 500S for 3 years and have 772 hours on it. My wife says I fly too much. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:09 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I haven't gotten to put but a little over 700 hrs on it and yes I have had some problems. The gear handle broke off in my hand with the gear up but I managed to fish around enough to get the gear down. I had 4 hydraulic failures before we found the real problem. Then on takeoff I blew one of the hydraulic hoses,that we had replaced. The stand pipe saved the day and did not have any problems with any of them although I was concerned that I would lose all the fluid as I did not know where the leak was. I had the tail slam down because of snow on the elevator, here in Denton, Texas, where we don't get much snow at all. It was parked out side waiting on an inspection, needless to say I now have a tail stand. I rented the plane out when I first got it and had a customer take it to OKC where a storm whip the tail so hard that it popped the internal gust lock loose, that is if he had it installed, and broke the bell crank. I now have an external gust lock and highly recommend every AeroCommander owner have one, if you cannot buy one they are easy to make. I had a prop AD done on it and of course they said I needed a prop blade changed. I went through three spinner back plates and three repaired back plates before I could get it back in to get it checked. Well guess what, the blade was too long, out of balance, and out of pitch. After going round and round with them I finally got a new back plate and spinner out of them, but needless to say, I won't be going back to that shop. One of the back plate cracks was 50 miles of shore that could have gotten interesting if the spinner had broken loose. The next thing was the feathering stop cracked. I think I finally have every thing fixed. Jim Addington N444BD 500A From: Don Girod To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Jim; How many hours have you added on the meter in 26 years? And any emergencies? Hope not. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. 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    Time: 08:10:35 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: 26 Years
    Durward Bradshaw lives next door and was UAL, I did not know it was contagious. He is a nice guy. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 26 Years Jim- You another member of the "Former Employee but Currently Disgruntled UAL Club?" Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 17:54 To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I had a regular flying job and did not get to fly any where as much as I would like to have. I retired and was flying a lot for the USCG AUX until they shut down flying inland and then they shut it down on the coast. They have just come out with a directive that if the engines and props have not been overhauled time wise and years wise you are out. I can't justify $50,000 to do both engines and props on the Commander and the Citabria. The company I worked for for almost 33 years and have been retired from over 10 years cut my retirement by 75% so with that and the price of gas I have not been doing much flying lately. I think the plane has about 3700 hours total time, it had something like 2600 hrs when I bought it. I had a couple of guys that rented it quite a bit until I got concerned about liability. ----- Original Message ----- From: dfalik@sbcglobal.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 26 Years Do I understand that you have put 700 hours on your commander in 26 years?? I have had a 500S for 3 years and have 772 hours on it. My wife says I fly too much. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:09 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years I haven't gotten to put but a little over 700 hrs on it and yes I have had some problems. The gear handle broke off in my hand with the gear up but I managed to fish around enough to get the gear down. I had 4 hydraulic failures before we found the real problem. Then on takeoff I blew one of the hydraulic hoses,that we had replaced. The stand pipe saved the day and did not have any problems with any of them although I was concerned that I would lose all the fluid as I did not know where the leak was. I had the tail slam down because of snow on the elevator, here in Denton, Texas, where we don't get much snow at all. It was parked out side waiting on an inspection, needless to say I now have a tail stand. I rented the plane out when I first got it and had a customer take it to OKC where a storm whip the tail so hard that it popped the internal gust lock loose, that is if he had it installed, and broke the bell crank. I now have an external gust lock and highly recommend every AeroCommander owner have one, if you cannot buy one they are easy to make. I had a prop AD done on it and of course they said I needed a prop blade changed. I went through three spinner back plates and three repaired back plates before I could get it back in to get it checked. Well guess what, the blade was too long, out of balance, and out of pitch. After going round and round with them I finally got a new back plate and spinner out of them, but needless to say, I won't be going back to that shop. One of the back plate cracks was 50 miles of shore that could have gotten interesting if the spinner had broken loose. The next thing was the feathering stop cracked. I think I finally have every thing fixed. Jim Addington N444BD 500A From: Don Girod To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 26 Years Jim; How many hours have you added on the meter in 26 years? And any emergencies? Hope not. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: 26 Years Today is our 26th anniversary, that is my Commander and I, sure have enjoyed it, paid $35000 for and that was probably too much. 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    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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    Dear Listers, Please read over the Commander-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Commander-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Commander-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Commander-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Commander-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Commander-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Commander-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Commander-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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