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1. 10:01 AM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (Robert S. Randazzo)
2. 10:34 AM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (Tylor Hall)
3. 11:31 AM - Re: Caravelles, Was: Commanders in business (David Owens)
4. 11:36 AM - Re: Commanders in business (David Owens)
5. 11:38 AM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (David Owens)
6. 11:57 AM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (Robert S. Randazzo)
7. 12:38 PM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (David Owens)
8. 12:39 PM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (David Owens)
9. 02:25 PM - Re: Caravelles, Was: Commanders in business (BobsV35B@aol.com)
10. 02:32 PM - Re: Caravelles, Was: Commanders in business (David Owens)
11. 03:07 PM - Re: Caravelles, Was: Commanders in business (nico css)
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| Subject: | Orenda Rises Again |
Hey Nico!
Not sure I'd agree with that 100%.... I say anyone who brings a new engine
to the marketplace for those of us who have higher output needs is VERY
welcome to the party.
>From what I've seen thus far- the diesels look like a great alternative for
lower-to-mid horse-power requirement, but nobody is talking about getting
upward of 450-600hp out of them yet.
Orenda seems to be attempting to re-invigorate the high horsepower market.
So for now these two alternatives are targeted at entirely different market
segments. Where Orenda leaves me scratching my head in THIS market (as
opposed to when it was developed) is that turboprop replacement with these
avgas prices seems rather... Counterintuitive. So I don't see that being a
common customer market for them.
Can you imagine the difficulty trying to sell a piston powered C-90?
I hope they succeed- and I hope the diesel manufacturers start playing in
this field soon as well. I love my commander- but damn I'd like to have a
supported engine!
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 14:22
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
But I think it's perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook
whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn't have invested in
it if I had the money. It's a pity, but it's a fact.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
Yea, for us normally aspirated 300HP Continentals or Lycs, it would be a
tremendous improvment, breathing much needed life back into the airframe, as
well as the interest in Commanders overall...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
Robert S. Randazzo
Precision Manuals Development Group
http://www.precisionmanuals.com
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| Subject: | Re: Orenda Rises Again |
One of the big advantages of the Orenda is that it would burn 92
octane MOGAS that is available in most gas stations and not leaded.
The conversion will require that the fuel system be changed to put a
fuel pump in the fuel tank like in all cars.
This will solve the vapor lock problem that will happen with a
gasoline with a high RVP like we find in regular gasoline.
AVGAS has a RVP of 9 and some gasoline go as high as 15 and it
changes summer to winter. When the airplane goes to higher
altitudes, it vaporizes.
That is why a Commander with turbos, you turn on the fuel pump above
15,000'
There is my $0.02.
AOPA is reporting that the Cessna 206 has received an STC in europe
for the Centurion 4.0 V-8 Diesel Jet A engine.
Tylor Hall
On Apr 20, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Robert S. Randazzo wrote:
> <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
>
> Hey Nico!
>
> Not sure I'd agree with that 100%.... I say anyone who brings a
> new engine
> to the marketplace for those of us who have higher output needs is
> VERY
> welcome to the party.
>
>> From what I've seen thus far- the diesels look like a great
>> alternative for
> lower-to-mid horse-power requirement, but nobody is talking about
> getting
> upward of 450-600hp out of them yet.
>
> Orenda seems to be attempting to re-invigorate the high horsepower
> market.
> So for now these two alternatives are targeted at entirely
> different market
> segments. Where Orenda leaves me scratching my head in THIS market
> (as
> opposed to when it was developed) is that turboprop replacement
> with these
> avgas prices seems rather... Counterintuitive. So I don't see that
> being a
> common customer market for them.
>
> Can you imagine the difficulty trying to sell a piston powered C-90?
>
> I hope they succeed- and I hope the diesel manufacturers start
> playing in
> this field soon as well. I love my commander- but damn I'd like
> to have a
> supported engine!
>
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
> N414C
>
>
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> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 14:22
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
>
>
> But I think it's perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook
> whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn't have
> invested in
> it if I had the money. It's a pity, but it's a fact.
>
>
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> ----
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> David Owens
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
>
>
> Yea, for us normally aspirated 300HP Continentals or Lycs, it would
> be a
> tremendous improvment, breathing much needed life back into the
> airframe, as
> well as the interest in Commanders overall...
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
>
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
> Precision Manuals Development Group
> http://www.precisionmanuals.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
GEEZ... unbelievable . So, do you think Aero bought it from the guys
you were flying for?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Good luck on the flying... We have had a rash of mech problems in the
last few weeks, however I think they might be close to ironed out...
(crossed fingers). Right now the Nav is getting a cylinder installed,
while waiting on all new tops, since we can fly, cant put her down that
long. Clients are screaming. Do you ever do any out of town contract
stuff to take up the slack in the lean times? Sometimes its good to have
3 or more birds on the large blocks like we fly to take advantage of the
sun... Your 500 is a "B" model correct? (or a U)? Is it turbocharged?
Never know what might come of it. We have a pretty substantial backlog
on some of our projects... Who knows eh?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Re: Orenda Rises Again |
Reply to "Piston Powered C-90"... So what is that like a Super -90 Queen
air, or ??? hehehe
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Orenda Rises Again |
David-
Hahahah.... When I first wrote that email I wrote, "Imagine how hard it
would be to sell a piston powered 690?"
Then right before hitting the send button I thought, "Hey- my 685 IS a
piston powered 690!"
So I decided to pick on the KingAir instead. :-)
Robert S. Randazzo
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:37
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
--> <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
Reply to "Piston Powered C-90"... So what is that like a Super -90 Queen
air, or ??? hehehe
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Re: Orenda Rises Again |
hehehehehehheeee Thats brain fade... Happens every time I write an e-mail,
and then hit the "spell-check". Hey, A 690 is Garretts, SOOO you have a
685?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Re: Orenda Rises Again |
Like I said... "BRAIN FADE" hehehee
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
In a message dated 4/20/2007 1:34:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dowens@aerialviewpoint.com writes:
GEEZ... unbelievable . So, do you think Aero bought it from the guys you
were flying for?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
Good Afternoon David,
My WAG would be that it has gone through a bunch of owners since I flew the
airplane. I flew La Belle Caravelle from 1965 to 1968.
Made fabulous landings every time. I have never flown any other airplane
that was so gentle on ham handed aviators.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Have a nice weekend all...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Commanders in business |
Thanks, you too.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Caravelles, Was: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Have a nice weekend all...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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