---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/20/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:01 AM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (Robert S. Randazzo) 2. 10:34 AM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (Tylor Hall) 3. 11:31 AM - Re: Caravelles, Was: Commanders in business (David Owens) 4. 11:36 AM - Re: Commanders in business (David Owens) 5. 11:38 AM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (David Owens) 6. 11:57 AM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (Robert S. Randazzo) 7. 12:38 PM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (David Owens) 8. 12:39 PM - Re: Orenda Rises Again (David Owens) 9. 02:25 PM - Re: Caravelles, Was: Commanders in business (BobsV35B@aol.com) 10. 02:32 PM - Re: Caravelles, Was: Commanders in business (David Owens) 11. 03:07 PM - Re: Caravelles, Was: Commanders in business (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:47 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again Hey Nico! Not sure I'd agree with that 100%.... I say anyone who brings a new engine to the marketplace for those of us who have higher output needs is VERY welcome to the party. >From what I've seen thus far- the diesels look like a great alternative for lower-to-mid horse-power requirement, but nobody is talking about getting upward of 450-600hp out of them yet. Orenda seems to be attempting to re-invigorate the high horsepower market. So for now these two alternatives are targeted at entirely different market segments. Where Orenda leaves me scratching my head in THIS market (as opposed to when it was developed) is that turboprop replacement with these avgas prices seems rather... Counterintuitive. So I don't see that being a common customer market for them. Can you imagine the difficulty trying to sell a piston powered C-90? I hope they succeed- and I hope the diesel manufacturers start playing in this field soon as well. I love my commander- but damn I'd like to have a supported engine! Robert S. Randazzo N414C ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 14:22 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again But I think it's perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn't have invested in it if I had the money. It's a pity, but it's a fact. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again Yea, for us normally aspirated 300HP Continentals or Lycs, it would be a tremendous improvment, breathing much needed life back into the airframe, as well as the interest in Commanders overall... David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill Robert S. Randazzo Precision Manuals Development Group http://www.precisionmanuals.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:13 AM PST US From: Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again One of the big advantages of the Orenda is that it would burn 92 octane MOGAS that is available in most gas stations and not leaded. The conversion will require that the fuel system be changed to put a fuel pump in the fuel tank like in all cars. This will solve the vapor lock problem that will happen with a gasoline with a high RVP like we find in regular gasoline. AVGAS has a RVP of 9 and some gasoline go as high as 15 and it changes summer to winter. When the airplane goes to higher altitudes, it vaporizes. That is why a Commander with turbos, you turn on the fuel pump above 15,000' There is my $0.02. AOPA is reporting that the Cessna 206 has received an STC in europe for the Centurion 4.0 V-8 Diesel Jet A engine. Tylor Hall On Apr 20, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Robert S. Randazzo wrote: > > > Hey Nico! > > Not sure I'd agree with that 100%.... I say anyone who brings a > new engine > to the marketplace for those of us who have higher output needs is > VERY > welcome to the party. > >> From what I've seen thus far- the diesels look like a great >> alternative for > lower-to-mid horse-power requirement, but nobody is talking about > getting > upward of 450-600hp out of them yet. > > Orenda seems to be attempting to re-invigorate the high horsepower > market. > So for now these two alternatives are targeted at entirely > different market > segments. Where Orenda leaves me scratching my head in THIS market > (as > opposed to when it was developed) is that turboprop replacement > with these > avgas prices seems rather... Counterintuitive. So I don't see that > being a > common customer market for them. > > Can you imagine the difficulty trying to sell a piston powered C-90? > > I hope they succeed- and I hope the diesel manufacturers start > playing in > this field soon as well. I love my commander- but damn I'd like > to have a > supported engine! > > > Robert S. Randazzo > N414C > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > nico css > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 14:22 > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again > > > But I think it's perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook > whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn't have > invested in > it if I had the money. It's a pity, but it's a fact. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---- > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > David Owens > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again > > > Yea, for us normally aspirated 300HP Continentals or Lycs, it would > be a > tremendous improvment, breathing much needed life back into the > airframe, as > well as the interest in Commanders overall... > > > David Owens > Aerial Viewpoint > N14AV > AC-500A-Colemill > > > Robert S. Randazzo > Precision Manuals Development Group > http://www.precisionmanuals.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:49 AM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Caravelles, Was: Commander-List: Commanders in business GEEZ... unbelievable . So, do you think Aero bought it from the guys you were flying for? David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:31 AM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders in business Good luck on the flying... We have had a rash of mech problems in the last few weeks, however I think they might be close to ironed out... (crossed fingers). Right now the Nav is getting a cylinder installed, while waiting on all new tops, since we can fly, cant put her down that long. Clients are screaming. Do you ever do any out of town contract stuff to take up the slack in the lean times? Sometimes its good to have 3 or more birds on the large blocks like we fly to take advantage of the sun... Your 500 is a "B" model correct? (or a U)? Is it turbocharged? Never know what might come of it. We have a pretty substantial backlog on some of our projects... Who knows eh? David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:28 AM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again Reply to "Piston Powered C-90"... So what is that like a Super -90 Queen air, or ??? hehehe David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:55 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again David- Hahahah.... When I first wrote that email I wrote, "Imagine how hard it would be to sell a piston powered 690?" Then right before hitting the send button I thought, "Hey- my 685 IS a piston powered 690!" So I decided to pick on the KingAir instead. :-) Robert S. Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:37 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again --> Reply to "Piston Powered C-90"... So what is that like a Super -90 Queen air, or ??? hehehe David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill __________ NOD32 2207 (20070420) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:53 PM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again hehehehehehheeee Thats brain fade... Happens every time I write an e-mail, and then hit the "spell-check". Hey, A 690 is Garretts, SOOO you have a 685? David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:13 PM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again Like I said... "BRAIN FADE" hehehee David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:12 PM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Caravelles, Was: Commander-List: Commanders in business In a message dated 4/20/2007 1:34:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dowens@aerialviewpoint.com writes: GEEZ... unbelievable . So, do you think Aero bought it from the guys you were flying for? David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill Good Afternoon David, My WAG would be that it has gone through a bunch of owners since I flew the airplane. I flew La Belle Caravelle from 1965 to 1968. Made fabulous landings every time. I have never flown any other airplane that was so gentle on ham handed aviators. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:44 PM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Caravelles, Was: Commander-List: Commanders in business Have a nice weekend all... David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:34 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Caravelles, Was: Commander-List: Commanders in business Thanks, you too. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Caravelles, Was: Commander-List: Commanders in business Have a nice weekend all... 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