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1. 12:42 AM - Re: Aerial Pictures of storm damage (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
2. 12:45 AM - Re: Anyone know? (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
3. 12:47 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
4. 03:37 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman)
5. 04:35 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Russell Legg)
6. 05:02 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (N395V)
7. 05:24 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman)
8. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Ben Whitfield (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
10. 02:02 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman)
11. 03:03 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
12. 03:50 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman)
13. 04:36 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Budplaster@aol.com)
14. 06:01 PM - The scam (Bill Bow)
15. 06:37 PM - Re: Engine RPM fluctuation (N395V)
16. 07:38 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield ()
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| Subject: | Re: Aerial Pictures of storm damage |
Amazinging sad...
Brent N224HA
560E
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From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
This is not related to Commanders, but the pictures are taken from the air. You
won't believe the damage that storm din in just a few minutes.
http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is not related to Commanders, but the pictures
are taken from the air. You won't believe the damage that storm din in just
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><A href="http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/">http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/</A></FONT></DIV>
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Thats what you get for marrying a young lady Bill : )
Brent
N224HA 560E
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From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>
My wife is a faster cleaner than any Nigerian. :>)
bilbo
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alexandc10@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
There is virtually no world in which this guy is legit. Be wary also of "cashier's-check"
scams, whereby the guy shows up with a round-number cashier's check
worth more than the transaction ("I wanted to make sure there was enough to
cover all possible fees") and asks for a cash refund. The cashier's check will
clear in your account, then the funds will be removed a few days later when
the bank figures out it's not legitimate. Also, as other's have warned, do not
give bank-account details, even for inbound wire-transfers....once they have
the account #, they are only one step away from clearing you out.
Nigeria is world renowned for these scams....there's even a penal code for them
(can't remember...something like "614").
AD
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
Sent: Wed, 9 May 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Hi All,
Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder here" is probably
true, but don't forget that we used to send all our convicts 'down under'.
Traits could still linger in the genes ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Legg
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously forgiven for the s discussion...we are approaching the fifth
birthday of that shameful outrage!
Dont be fearful of all overseas cheques...you will only get good ones from downunder
here.
Cheers
Russell
PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no Google-earth
coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> wrote:
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson Avaitaion
Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow agency
to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid were I
in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've just
wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, dont give them a bank account number or give in to small fee demands
to pay for so-called taxes or hand grease. The scammers are oftentimes in cahoots
with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account and then you have
to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you dont want to contemplate. I
would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to pursue this Captain, then
solicit the services of AOPA or some other reputable intermediary who has the
clout to make sure your transaction goes through without hiccups. AOPA may even
have members in Nigeria who could be an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the captain would
disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember something about
a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to cash the check
it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I would
be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the validity of
this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue">My wife is a faster cleaner than any Nigerian. :>)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue">bilbo<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>alexandc10@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:01 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt">There is virtually no world in which this guy is legit. Be wary also
of "cashier's-check" scams, whereby the guy shows up with a round-number cashier's
check worth more than the transaction ("I wanted to make sure there was
enough to cover all possible fees") and asks for a cash refund. The cashier's
check will clear in your account, then the funds will be removed a few
days later when the bank figures out it's not legitimate. Also, as
other's have warned, do not give bank-account details, even for inbound wire-transfers....once
they have the account #, they are only one step away from clearing
you out.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT face="Times
New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Nigeria</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region>
is world renowned for these scams....there's
even a penal code for them (can't remember...something like "614").<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<BR>To:
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><BR>Sent:
Wed, 9 May 2007 8:51 AM<BR>Subject: Re:
Commander-List: Anyone know?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Verdana">Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder
here" is probably true, but don't forget that we used to send all our
convicts 'down under'.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Verdana">Traits could still linger in the genes ;-)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=rlegg@austarnet.com.au href="mailto:rlegg@austarnet.com.au">Russell Legg</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=commander-list@matronics.com href="mailto:commander-list@matronics.com">commander-list@matronics.com</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE:
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, May 09, 2007
1:33 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE:
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: Commander-List:
Anyone know?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Dear Bilbo,<BR><BR>You were ceremoniously
forgiven for the s discussion...we are approaching the fifth birthday
of that shameful outrage!<BR><BR>Dont be fearful of all overseas cheques...you
will only get good ones from downunder here.<BR><BR>Cheers<BR><BR>Russell<BR><BR>PS
Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no Google-earth
coordinates!<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Bill
Bow</st1:PersonName>" <<A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo(">bowing74@earthlink.net</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue">Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation,
in </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;
FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><BR>bilbo,<BR>Running for the hills<BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo(">owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com</A> [<A href="mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com%5d">mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]</A> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Robert S. Randazzo<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo(">commander-list@matronics.com</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nico-<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FO
NT fac
e=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Good advice on the intermediary... <BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem
using an escrow agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure
I was paid were I in your shoes..... <BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website....
I've just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very
funny!<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Robert S. Randazzo</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo(">owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com</A> [<A href="mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com%5d">mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]</A> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>nico css<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo(">commander-list@matronics.com</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy
; FONT
-FAMILY: Arial">Above all, dont give them a bank account number or give in to small
fee demands to pay for so-called taxes or hand grease. The scammers are oftentimes
in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account and
then you have to pursue them in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Nigeria</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
which is something you dont want
to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to pursue
this Captain, then solicit the services of AOPA or some other reputable intermediary
who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes through without
hiccups. AOPA may even have members in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Nigeria</st1:place></st1:country-region> who could be an invaluable
resource. <BR> <BR>Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is
introduced the captain would disappear off the face of the earth. <BR> <BR>Nico<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo(">owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com</A> [<A href="mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com%5d">mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]</A> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jim Addington</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo(">commander-list@matronics.com</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FON
T><FON
T face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bill, I can't
find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember something about a scam
where they would buy the plane and when you went to cash the check it was
no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before they get the plane.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim Addington</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Bill Bow</st1:PersonName> <A href="mailto:bowing74@earthlink.net"><mailto:bowing74@earthlink.net></A> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAM
ILY: A
rial"> <A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo(">commander-list@matronics.com</A>
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Tuesday,
May 08, 2007 3:58 PM<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Commander-List: Anyone know?<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">I</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FA
MILY:
Verdana"> <FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">am selling my Commander</SPAN></FONT>
<FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">and have been contacted
by this person. I feel I would be foolish if I did not use every source</SPAN></FONT>
<FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">available</SPAN></FONT>
<FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">to check the validity of</SPAN></FONT>
<FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">this individual.<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">Do any of
you have any knowledge of is person or</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR:
blue">business</SPAN></FONT> <FONT color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">entity.<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR></SPAN></FONT>Capt
Thomas Benson <BR>Thomas
Benson Avaitaion Inc.<BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Abuja</st1:City>
, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Nigeria</st1:cou
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egion></st1:place><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">Thanks,<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">bilbo<BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><BR> <BR>href="<A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List</A>"><A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List</A><BR>href="<A href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com</A>"><A href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com</A><BR> </SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
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Barry,
I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck.
Regards,
Brent
N224HA 560E
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear
to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978.
Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without
the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona
on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield,
but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and
mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder
whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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<DIV>Barry,</DIV>
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<DIV>I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Brent</DIV>
<DIV>N224HA 560E</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders
and find that both appear to have ended their days with
a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD
was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown
down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit,
from Canada to the USA, was issued.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird
Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised
the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration
has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these
for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Do any of our guys know the name and the nature
of his business?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Very Best Regards,</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Brent,
I found nothing either, but thanks for trying!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck.
Regards,
Brent
N224HA 560E
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him
circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA
and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the
USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of
Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale
to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration
has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out
and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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Hi Barry,
Here is a long shot!
If you go to Inyokem CA via Google satellite you will zoom down on runway
33...parked right out on the dirt close to the threshold is what looks like
a bathtub Commander!! Looks like you had better contact the airport folks to
find out about this airframe.
Might just be a match!
Cheers
Russell
On 16/5/07 8:05 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Brent,
>
> I found nothing either, but thanks for trying!
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
>>
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:47 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry,
>>
>>
>>
>> I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> N224HA 560E
>>
>>
>>
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both
>>> appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of
>>> Inyokern, California.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa
>>> 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
>>>
>>> At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back
>>> without the benefit of a CofA.
>>>
>>> After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA,
>>> was issued.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of
>>> Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to
>>> Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever
>>> been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also
>>> wonder whether he bought any others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Very Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Barry Collman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.
> com/Navigator?Commander-List <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>
>
>
>
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Barry,
Received the following by e mail from an RV pilot out of Inyokern.
> N4136B. No paint just unpolished alum. The guy does Angels flights if I am not
mistaken.
>
> N541M White with blue and red trim. Looks like it has not flown in a while.
>
> I don't know much more than that. Hope that helped your buddy out.
> __________________
>
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2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
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Re: Commander-List: Ben WhitfieldHi Russell,
Thanks! I'll take a look later on, but it might be one of those that
Milt's guys sent details for, possibly the second one.
And, don't forget that the two I listed were transactions from about 30
years ago!
I really wanted to find out more about Ben Whitfield and what the nature
of his business was.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Legg
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi Barry,
Here is a long shot!
If you go to Inyokem CA via Google satellite you will zoom down on
runway 33...parked right out on the dirt close to the threshold is what
looks like a bathtub Commander!! Looks like you had better contact the
airport folks to find out about this airframe.
Might just be a match!
Cheers
Russell
On 16/5/07 8:05 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
wrote:
Hi Brent,
I found nothing either, but thanks for trying!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better
luck.
Regards,
Brent
N224HA 560E
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and
find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to
him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the
USA and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to
the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation
Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA
of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for
Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting
out and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his
business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
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Hi Milt!
Grateful thanks. Neither of these is the ones I asked about, but I was looking
back about 30 years!
But, I understood N541M, which is 680FL-1512-96, was being parted out by United
Airparts. It had previously been purchased on 10Oct90 by AC Enterprises, of
Payson, AZ, the partners being George A Armstrong & 'our' Jack Chappell.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield
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| Barry,
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| Received the following by e mail from an RV pilot out of Inyokern.
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Barry,
Contact Jack Chappell. He and I spoke about the Inyokern plane about a year
ago, however, I can't remember the details. Jack doesn't do email so if you
want I can call him.
Sorry that I didn't give you this info. earlier, but I have been so tied up
lately that I haven't been reading the Commander List.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Milt!
Grateful thanks. Neither of these is the ones I asked about, but I was
looking
back about 30 years!
But, I understood N541M, which is 680FL-1512-96, was being parted out by
United
Airparts. It had previously been purchased on 10Oct90 by AC Enterprises, of
Payson, AZ, the partners being George A Armstrong & 'our' Jack Chappell.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield
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| Barry,
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| Received the following by e mail from an RV pilot out of Inyokern.
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| > N4136B. No paint just unpolished alum. The guy does Angels flights if I
am
not mistaken.
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while.
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Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a
bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the
names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose
history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that
both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of
Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him
circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and
back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the
USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of
Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale
to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration
has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and
also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest thing to
it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and the Mother
or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a bell
rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the names
"Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search found "Ben
Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then sold
back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose
history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas Aircraft
Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29 transactions
involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July 1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield", "Widtfeld" &
"Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out there' with some
local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both
appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern,
California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa
1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back
without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was
issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix,
Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben
Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been
submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also
wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection in my
book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the bottom
of your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that
virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas
Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice), let's
just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been exported
to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of the rest
seem to have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one is
with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is
with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW).
Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest
thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and
the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang
a bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the
names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose
history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him
circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA
and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the
USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of
Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale
to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration
has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out
and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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Barry,
You are very correct about my 560E and Atlas Aviation being connected in the
past. As you no doubt know I purchased the airplane from a person in
Compton, California, just 10 miles from Long Beach Airport. I made a great deal
on
barely flyable junk with bullet holes.
While the airplane was being taken apart to see how bad off it was, we found
many items attesting to Atlas Aviation having had some roll in the
airplane's history----10 or 12 noise abatement violations that were ignored, countless
letters from the FAA, notices from the City of Compton to pay or vacate the
airport and a cutout behind the rear seat where a window air conditioner for
a house had been installed. In asking some old timers familiar with the
airplane about this I was told it worked very well but it was a little too
cold...No Joke!!!
I could research my machine further, but I think I have picked on it enough.
It always starts, gets me where I'm going and allows me to return home
without problems. It may have had a questionable and a not so kind beginning ,
but
it sure is living the good life now.
Buddy
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Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he get a local broker to
take care of the transaction. I have cut and pasted all of his
correspondence below. I thought some of you guys might like to see what
Captain Benson's approach was.
bilbo
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ACT ONE 5/5/07
we want to arrange for inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send
maintenance schedule required to operate the aircraft.Does it need
paint?Does it need C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer
ASAP.email is capt_thomas_ben@yahoo.es
ACT TWO 5/6/07
Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate your
immediate response.I have looked at all what you have sent to me and i will
be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied on the view and all the spec's
you have sent me.I will like to know if you can send me your proposal on
price for documentation and other related informations.Please make sure that
the selling price is well stated so i can have a complete
documentation..Thanks for your co-operation.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Tel: +2348038378073
ACT THREE 5/8/07
Hello Sir,
I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to
confess to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing
this aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am so
intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am out here to
start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly confess that if we
go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully, My Company would be so glad
to continue to do business with you because like i said earlier on, am
trying to get my Inventory stocked up and it would be nice getting your
company to do that.
1: I will be needing the Last Asking Price From You Which am happy you
have given out to me.
2: I will be needing the Letter of Proposal From You Which i will need to
sign in order for us to seal the Contract between My Company and Yours. In
the proposal which you know about must include your signature.
When all this has been done and sent, We can then proceed to the main
course of th Contract; Payment Details but first the above Outlined
informations should be sent to My email before we can go further.
Best Regards.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Tel: +2348038378073
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And have we found the cause yet?
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Hello Barry,
Atlas Aircraft Corp. got me thinking - is there a connection Between
this Atlas Aircraft Corp (US) to Atlas Aircraft Corp. in South Africa?
And if so, is that possibly where your Commanders ended up? Atlas (SA)
no longer exists - it was swallowed up by Armscor. Atlas used to
manufactured the Atlas Impala, which was basically an Aermacchi MB-326
made under licence, the Atlas Cheetah (which was a complete rework of
the Mirage III), an armed version of the A=E9rospatiale Puma, the Bosbok
(a spotter aircraft, made under licence from Aermacchi, I think) and the
Kudu, a light medivac piston single of their own design. Nico, correct
me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that the Kudu was also certified
in the US. They also made the Rooivalk attack helicopter, but I don't
know if it progressed past the prototype stage. All this, of course,
means nothing if the two Atlas Aircraft Corps are not connected. So, if
it helps, good - if not, sorry for clouding the issue.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection in
my book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the
bottom of your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that
virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas
Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice),
let's just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been
exported to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of
the rest seem to have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one
is with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is
with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW).
Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest
thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and
the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name
rang a bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the
names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB,
whose history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him
circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA
and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to
the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc.,
of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a
sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for
Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out
and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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