---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/16/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 AM - Re: Aerial Pictures of storm damage (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 2. 12:45 AM - Re: Anyone know? (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 3. 12:47 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net) 4. 03:37 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman) 5. 04:35 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Russell Legg) 6. 05:02 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (N395V) 7. 05:24 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman) 8. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman) 9. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Ben Whitfield (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons) 10. 02:02 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman) 11. 03:03 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons) 12. 03:50 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman) 13. 04:36 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Budplaster@aol.com) 14. 06:01 PM - The scam (Bill Bow) 15. 06:37 PM - Re: Engine RPM fluctuation (N395V) 16. 07:38 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:39 AM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aerial Pictures of storm damage Amazinging sad... Brent N224HA 560E -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim Addington" This is not related to Commanders, but the pictures are taken from the air. You won't believe the damage that storm din in just a few minutes. http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/ Jim Addington N444BD 500A
Amazinging sad...
 
Brent N224HA
560E
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@charter.net>
This is not related to Commanders, but the pictures are taken from the air. You won't believe the damage that storm din in just a few minutes.
 
http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/
 
 
Jim Addington
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500A
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:07 AM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know? Thats what you get for marrying a young lady Bill : ) Brent N224HA 560E -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Bow" My wife is a faster cleaner than any Nigerian. :>) bilbo From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alexandc10@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know? There is virtually no world in which this guy is legit. Be wary also of "cashier's-check" scams, whereby the guy shows up with a round-number cashier's check worth more than the transaction ("I wanted to make sure there was enough to cover all possible fees") and asks for a cash refund. The cashier's check will clear in your account, then the funds will be removed a few days later when the bank figures out it's not legitimate. Also, as other's have warned, do not give bank-account details, even for inbound wire-transfers....once they have the account #, they are only one step away from clearing you out. Nigeria is world renowned for these scams....there's even a penal code for them (can't remember...something like "614"). AD -----Original Message----- From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk Sent: Wed, 9 May 2007 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know? Hi All, Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder here" is probably true, but don't forget that we used to send all our convicts 'down under'. Traits could still linger in the genes ;-) Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Legg Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know? Dear Bilbo, You were ceremoniously forgiven for the s discussion...we are approaching the fifth birthday of that shameful outrage! Dont be fearful of all overseas cheques...you will only get good ones from downunder here. Cheers Russell PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no Google-earth coordinates! On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote: Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc. bilbo, Running for the hills From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know? Nico- Good advice on the intermediary... Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid were I in your shoes..... And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny! Robert S. Randazzo From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know? Above all, dont give them a bank account number or give in to small fee demands to pay for so-called taxes or hand grease. The scammers are oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you dont want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to pursue this Captain, then solicit the services of AOPA or some other reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be an invaluable resource. Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the captain would disappear off the face of the earth. Nico From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know? Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before they get the plane. Jim Addington ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know? I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the validity of this individual. Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity. Capt Thomas Benson Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc. Abuja , Nigeria Thanks, bilbo href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com __________ NOD32 2250 (20070508) Information __________ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com ist Email Forum - r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ://forums.matronics.com AOL at AOL.com. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com
Thats what you get for marrying a young lady Bill : )
 
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net>

My wife is a faster cleaner than any Nigerian. :>)

bilbo

 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alexandc10@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:01 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?

 

There is virtually no world in which this guy is legit.  Be wary also of "cashier's-check" scams, whereby the guy shows up with a round-number cashier's check worth more than the transaction ("I wanted to make sure there was enough to cover all possible fees") and asks for a cash refund.  The cashier's check will clear in your account, then the funds will be removed a few days later when the bank figures out it's not legitimate.   Also, as other's have warned, do not give bank-account details, even for inbound wire-transfers....once they have the account #, they are only one step away from clearing you out.

 

Nigeria is world renowned for these scams....there's even a penal code for them (can't remember...something like "614").

 

AD

 

 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 9 May 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?

Hi All,

 

Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder here" is probably true, but don't forget that we used to send all our convicts 'down under'.

Traits could still linger in the genes ;-)

 

Best Regards,

Barry

----- Original Message -----

From: Russell Legg

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:33 PM

Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?

 

Dear Bilbo,

You were ceremoniously forgiven for the s discussion...we are approaching the fifth birthday of that shameful outrage!

Dont be fearful of all overseas cheques...you will only get good ones from downunder here.

Cheers

Russell

PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no Google-earth coordinates!




On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" <bowing74@earthlink.net> wrote:

Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.

bilbo,
Running for the hills
 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?

Nico-

Good advice on the intermediary...  

Bill:  If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid were I in your shoes.....  

And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website....  I've just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off....  that is very funny!

Robert S. Randazzo


From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, dont give them a bank account number or give in to small fee demands to pay for so-called taxes or hand grease. The scammers are oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you dont want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to pursue this Captain, then solicit the services of AOPA or some other reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be an invaluable resource.
 
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the captain would disappear off the face of the earth.
 
Nico

 

From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?


Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before they get the plane.



Jim Addington


----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74@earthlink.net>

To: commander-list@matronics.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM

Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?


I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person.  I feel I would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the validity of this individual.

Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.

Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria

Thanks,

bilbo

 
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:18 AM PST US From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Barry, I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck. Regards, Brent N224HA 560E -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Barry Collman" Hello All, I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California. 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on. At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA. After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued. 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered. I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others. Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business? Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome. Very Best Regards, Barry Collman
Barry,
 
I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck.
 
Regards,
 
Brent
N224HA 560E
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
 
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California.
 
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued.
 
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
 
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others.
 
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
 
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
 
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:18 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hi Brent, I found nothing either, but thanks for trying! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Barry, I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck. Regards, Brent N224HA 560E -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Barry Collman" Hello All, I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California. 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on. At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA. After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued. 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered. I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others. Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business? Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome. Very Best Regards, Barry Collman ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield From: Russell Legg Hi Barry, Here is a long shot! If you go to Inyokem CA via Google satellite you will zoom down on runway 33...parked right out on the dirt close to the threshold is what looks like a bathtub Commander!! Looks like you had better contact the airport folks to find out about this airframe. Might just be a match! Cheers Russell On 16/5/07 8:05 PM, "Barry Collman" wrote: > Hi Brent, > > I found nothing either, but thanks for trying! > > Very Best Regards, > Barry >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net >> >> To: commander-list@matronics.com >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:47 AM >> >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield >> >> >> >> Barry, >> >> >> >> I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Brent >> >> N224HA 560E >> >> >> >>> -------------- Original message -------------- >>> From: "Barry Collman" >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both >>> appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of >>> Inyokern, California. >>> >>> >>> >>> 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa >>> 1978. Nothing further is known from then on. >>> >>> At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back >>> without the benefit of a CofA. >>> >>> After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, >>> was issued. >>> >>> >>> >>> 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of >>> Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to >>> Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever >>> been submitted and mail remains unanswered. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also >>> wonder whether he bought any others. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business? >>> >>> >>> >>> Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome. >>> >>> >>> >>> Very Best Regards, >>> >>> Barry Collman >>> >>> >>> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics. > com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:18 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield From: "N395V" Barry, Received the following by e mail from an RV pilot out of Inyokern. > N4136B. No paint just unpolished alum. The guy does Angels flights if I am not mistaken. > > N541M White with blue and red trim. Looks like it has not flown in a while. > > I don't know much more than that. Hope that helped your buddy out. > __________________ > -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket website http://www.excaliburaviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113118#113118 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:26 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Re: Commander-List: Ben WhitfieldHi Russell, Thanks! I'll take a look later on, but it might be one of those that Milt's guys sent details for, possibly the second one. And, don't forget that the two I listed were transactions from about 30 years ago! I really wanted to find out more about Ben Whitfield and what the nature of his business was. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Legg To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hi Barry, Here is a long shot! If you go to Inyokem CA via Google satellite you will zoom down on runway 33...parked right out on the dirt close to the threshold is what looks like a bathtub Commander!! Looks like you had better contact the airport folks to find out about this airframe. Might just be a match! Cheers Russell On 16/5/07 8:05 PM, "Barry Collman" wrote: Hi Brent, I found nothing either, but thanks for trying! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172@comcast.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Barry, I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck. Regards, Brent N224HA 560E -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Barry Collman" Hello All, I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California. 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on. At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA. After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued. 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered. I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others. Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business? Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome. Very Best Regards, Barry Collman href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ist Email Forum - r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:23 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield Hi Milt! Grateful thanks. Neither of these is the ones I asked about, but I was looking back about 30 years! But, I understood N541M, which is 680FL-1512-96, was being parted out by United Airparts. It had previously been purchased on 10Oct90 by AC Enterprises, of Payson, AZ, the partners being George A Armstrong & 'our' Jack Chappell. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "N395V" Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield | | Barry, | | Received the following by e mail from an RV pilot out of Inyokern. | | | > N4136B. No paint just unpolished alum. The guy does Angels flights if I am not mistaken. | > | > N541M White with blue and red trim. Looks like it has not flown in a while. | > | > I don't know much more than that. Hope that helped your buddy out. | > __________________ | > | | | -------- | Milt | 2003 F1 Rocket | 2006 Radial Rocket | website http://www.excaliburaviation.com | | | | | Read this topic online here: | | http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113118#113118 | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:07 AM PST US From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield Barry, Contact Jack Chappell. He and I spoke about the Inyokern plane about a year ago, however, I can't remember the details. Jack doesn't do email so if you want I can call him. Sorry that I didn't give you this info. earlier, but I have been so tied up lately that I haven't been reading the Commander List. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield Hi Milt! Grateful thanks. Neither of these is the ones I asked about, but I was looking back about 30 years! But, I understood N541M, which is 680FL-1512-96, was being parted out by United Airparts. It had previously been purchased on 10Oct90 by AC Enterprises, of Payson, AZ, the partners being George A Armstrong & 'our' Jack Chappell. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "N395V" Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield | | Barry, | | Received the following by e mail from an RV pilot out of Inyokern. | | | > N4136B. No paint just unpolished alum. The guy does Angels flights if I am not mistaken. | > | > N541M White with blue and red trim. Looks like it has not flown in a while. | > | > I don't know much more than that. Hope that helped your buddy out. | > __________________ | > | | | -------- | Milt | 2003 F1 Rocket | 2006 Radial Rocket | website http://www.excaliburaviation.com | | | | | Read this topic online here: | | http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113118#113118 | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:43 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hi All, When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a bell rather more loudly. While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California. At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117, registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez. "Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose history ends in unresolved paperwork. I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29 transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July 1981. I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield", "Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach? Best Regards, Barry Collman ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hello All, I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California. 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on. At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA. After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued. 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered. I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others. Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business? Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome. Very Best Regards, Barry Collman ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:32 PM PST US From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Barry, Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards. Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hi All, When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a bell rather more loudly. While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California. At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117, registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez. "Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose history ends in unresolved paperwork. I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29 transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July 1981. I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield", "Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach? Best Regards, Barry Collman ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hello All, I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California. 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on. At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA. After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued. 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered. I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others. Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business? Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome. Very Best Regards, Barry Collman href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:26 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection in my book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the bottom of your back yard over there, isn't it? Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas Aircraft Corp. Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice), let's just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been exported to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of the rest seem to have had a "chequered" career. Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one is with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW). Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Barry, Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards. Moe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hi All, When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a bell rather more loudly. While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California. At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117, registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez. "Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose history ends in unresolved paperwork. I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29 transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July 1981. I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield", "Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach? Best Regards, Barry Collman ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hello All, I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California. 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on. At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA. After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued. 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered. I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others. Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business? Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome. Very Best Regards, Barry Collman href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:16 PM PST US From: Budplaster@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Barry, You are very correct about my 560E and Atlas Aviation being connected in the past. As you no doubt know I purchased the airplane from a person in Compton, California, just 10 miles from Long Beach Airport. I made a great deal on barely flyable junk with bullet holes. While the airplane was being taken apart to see how bad off it was, we found many items attesting to Atlas Aviation having had some roll in the airplane's history----10 or 12 noise abatement violations that were ignored, countless letters from the FAA, notices from the City of Compton to pay or vacate the airport and a cutout behind the rear seat where a window air conditioner for a house had been installed. In asking some old timers familiar with the airplane about this I was told it worked very well but it was a little too cold...No Joke!!! I could research my machine further, but I think I have picked on it enough. It always starts, gets me where I'm going and allows me to return home without problems. It may have had a questionable and a not so kind beginning , but it sure is living the good life now. Buddy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:02 PM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: Commander-List: The scam Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he get a local broker to take care of the transaction. I have cut and pasted all of his correspondence below. I thought some of you guys might like to see what Captain Benson's approach was. bilbo ======= ACT ONE 5/5/07 we want to arrange for inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send maintenance schedule required to operate the aircraft.Does it need paint?Does it need C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer ASAP.email is capt_thomas_ben@yahoo.es ACT TWO 5/6/07 Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate your immediate response.I have looked at all what you have sent to me and i will be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied on the view and all the spec's you have sent me.I will like to know if you can send me your proposal on price for documentation and other related informations.Please make sure that the selling price is well stated so i can have a complete documentation..Thanks for your co-operation. Capt Thomas Benson Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc. Abuja , Nigeria Tel: +2348038378073 ACT THREE 5/8/07 Hello Sir, I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to confess to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing this aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am so intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am out here to start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly confess that if we go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully, My Company would be so glad to continue to do business with you because like i said earlier on, am trying to get my Inventory stocked up and it would be nice getting your company to do that. 1: I will be needing the Last Asking Price From You Which am happy you have given out to me. 2: I will be needing the Letter of Proposal From You Which i will need to sign in order for us to seal the Contract between My Company and Yours. In the proposal which you know about must include your signature. When all this has been done and sent, We can then proceed to the main course of th Contract; Payment Details but first the above Outlined informations should be sent to My email before we can go further. Best Regards. Capt Thomas Benson Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc. Abuja , Nigeria Tel: +2348038378073 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:08 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Engine RPM fluctuation From: "N395V" And have we found the cause yet? -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket website http://www.excaliburaviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113238#113238 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:12 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hello Barry, Atlas Aircraft Corp. got me thinking - is there a connection Between this Atlas Aircraft Corp (US) to Atlas Aircraft Corp. in South Africa? And if so, is that possibly where your Commanders ended up? Atlas (SA) no longer exists - it was swallowed up by Armscor. Atlas used to manufactured the Atlas Impala, which was basically an Aermacchi MB-326 made under licence, the Atlas Cheetah (which was a complete rework of the Mirage III), an armed version of the A=E9rospatiale Puma, the Bosbok (a spotter aircraft, made under licence from Aermacchi, I think) and the Kudu, a light medivac piston single of their own design. Nico, correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that the Kudu was also certified in the US. They also made the Rooivalk attack helicopter, but I don't know if it progressed past the prototype stage. All this, of course, means nothing if the two Atlas Aircraft Corps are not connected. So, if it helps, good - if not, sorry for clouding the issue. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection in my book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the bottom of your back yard over there, isn't it? Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas Aircraft Corp. Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice), let's just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been exported to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of the rest seem to have had a "chequered" career. Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one is with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW). Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Barry, Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards. Moe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hi All, When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a bell rather more loudly. While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California. At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117, registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez. "Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose history ends in unresolved paperwork. I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29 transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July 1981. I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield", "Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach? Best Regards, Barry Collman ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield Hello All, I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California. 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on. At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA. After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued. 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered. I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others. Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business? Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome. 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