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3. 06:52 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Barry Collman)
5. 08:33 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Budplaster@aol.com)
6. 09:40 AM - Re: Ben Whitfield (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
7. 09:40 AM - Re: The scam (Cory Emberson)
8. 11:14 AM - Re: The scam (skyhawkc-172@comcast.net)
9. 12:23 PM - Re: The scam (Bill Bow)
10. 06:09 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield (Moe - Ross Racing Pistons)
11. 07:26 PM - Re: Ben Whitfield ()
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Andrew,
Atlas Aircraft was part of Armscor and then became part of Denel. Since the
demise of the pale Africans the business has gone downhill. They attempted
to sell the Rooivalk on the world market. One was tested here in Oz. The
only people to buy a couple were the SANDF themselves. From once being the
largest earner of foreign income into SA they don=92t even feature anymore.
On the subject of Atlas in the US it seems that vacuuming some of their
aircraft could lead to a substantial windfall and possibly prison.
What happened to your book?
I still have a photo of your old mans .30cal Bonanza in Rhodesia.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget@telus.net
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello Barry,
Atlas Aircraft Corp. got me thinking - is there a connection Between this
Atlas Aircraft Corp (US) to Atlas Aircraft Corp. in South Africa? And if so,
is that possibly where your Commanders ended up? Atlas (SA) no longer exists
- it was swallowed up by Armscor. Atlas used to manufactured the Atlas
Impala, which was basically an Aermacchi MB-326 made under licence, the
Atlas Cheetah (which was a complete rework of the Mirage III), an armed
version of the A=E9rospatiale Puma, the Bosbok (a spotter aircraft, made und
er
licence from Aermacchi, I think) and the Kudu, a light medivac piston single
of their own design. Nico, correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall
that the Kudu was also certified in the US. They also made the Rooivalk
attack helicopter, but I don't know if it progressed past the prototype
stage. All this, of course, means nothing if the two Atlas Aircraft Corps
are not connected. So, if it helps, good - if not, sorry for clouding the
issue.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection in my
book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the bottom of
your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that virtually
confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice), let's just
say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been exported to
Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of the rest seem to
have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one is with
our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is with our
very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW). Neither, of
course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons <mailto:moe@rosspistons.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest thing to
it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and the Mother
or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a bell
rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the names
"Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search found "Ben
Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then sold
back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose
history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas Aircraft
Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29 transactions
involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July 1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield", "Widtfeld" &
"Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out there' with some
local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both
appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern,
California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa
1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back
without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was
issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix,
Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben
Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been
submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also
wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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Hi Andrew,
No, I don't think they are connected at all, but thanks for mentioning
the other Atlas as a possible link.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: andrew.bridget@telus.net
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello Barry,
Atlas Aircraft Corp. got me thinking - is there a connection Between
this Atlas Aircraft Corp (US) to Atlas Aircraft Corp. in South Africa?
And if so, is that possibly where your Commanders ended up? Atlas (SA)
no longer exists - it was swallowed up by Armscor. Atlas used to
manufactured the Atlas Impala, which was basically an Aermacchi MB-326
made under licence, the Atlas Cheetah (which was a complete rework of
the Mirage III), an armed version of the A=E9rospatiale Puma, the Bosbok
(a spotter aircraft, made under licence from Aermacchi, I think) and the
Kudu, a light medivac piston single of their own design. Nico, correct
me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that the Kudu was also certified
in the US. They also made the Rooivalk attack helicopter, but I don't
know if it progressed past the prototype stage. All this, of course,
means nothing if the two Atlas Aircraft Corps are not connected. So, if
it helps, good - if not, sorry for clouding the issue.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection
in my book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the
bottom of your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that
virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas
Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice),
let's just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been
exported to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of
the rest seem to have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one
is with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is
with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW).
Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest
thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and
the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name
rang a bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across
the names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB,
whose history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to
him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the
USA and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to
the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc.,
of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a
sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for
Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting
out and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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Buddy,
By any chance your bird painted gun metal gray when you purchased it?
Moe
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Budplaster@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
You are very correct about my 560E and Atlas Aviation being connected in the
past. As you no doubt know I purchased the airplane from a person in
Compton, California, just 10 miles from Long Beach Airport. I made a great
deal on barely flyable junk with bullet holes.
While the airplane was being taken apart to see how bad off it was, we found
many items attesting to Atlas Aviation having had some roll in the
airplane's history----10 or 12 noise abatement violations that were ignored,
countless letters from the FAA, notices from the City of Compton to pay or
vacate the airport and a cutout behind the rear seat where a window air
conditioner for a house had been installed. In asking some old timers
familiar with the airplane about this I was told it worked very well but it
was a little too cold...No Joke!!!
I could research my machine further, but I think I have picked on it enough.
It always starts, gets me where I'm going and allows me to return home
without problems. It may have had a questionable and a not so kind beginning
, but it sure is living the good life now.
Buddy
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Good question Moe - No doubt this will *trigger* Buddy to now *rifle*
through the aircraft's paperwork to check ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Buddy,
By any chance your bird painted gun metal gray when you purchased it?
Moe
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Budplaster@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:36 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
You are very correct about my 560E and Atlas Aviation being connected
in the past. As you no doubt know I purchased the airplane from a person
in Compton, California, just 10 miles from Long Beach Airport. I made a
great deal on barely flyable junk with bullet holes.
While the airplane was being taken apart to see how bad off it was, we
found many items attesting to Atlas Aviation having had some roll in the
airplane's history----10 or 12 noise abatement violations that were
ignored, countless letters from the FAA, notices from the City of
Compton to pay or vacate the airport and a cutout behind the rear seat
where a window air conditioner for a house had been installed. In asking
some old timers familiar with the airplane about this I was told it
worked very well but it was a little too cold...No Joke!!!
I could research my machine further, but I think I have picked on it
enough. It always starts, gets me where I'm going and allows me to
return home without problems. It may have had a questionable and a not
so kind beginning , but it sure is living the good life now.
Buddy
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Moe,
Yes, it was painted in the Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland Raiders
colors......fuselage was gray with black trim ( very depressing for a San Diego
Chargers
fan)
While I am sending this with the knowledge that Barry reads all postings I
will say that I have all the log books for 50BP from it's beginning. If I am
ever needed to consult the logs for a specific bit of information all one
needs to do is ask.
Also, I would advise anyone to contact Jack Chappell for information (and
parts) about Commanders that have some Southern California history, as well as
elsewhere; especially, if they are of the older lineage. And, I have been to
Inyokern, Ca. and spent much time attempting to get information on the
Commander that appears now to have become a derelict. The first time I saw the
machine, probably 15-20 years ago, it was really a neat machine, but had one
engine that had leaked some oil. I was unable to get any information about the
airplane from the folks at Inyokern, which led me to think it was because
Inyokern is located within five hundreds miles of Area 51. Truly, no one would
act
like there was even airplane parked in the weeds on the south end of the
airport.
Buddy
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Any info on the Commander (680 ?) auctioned off April 15th this year at the US
Marshall's auction.
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Budplaster@aol.com
Moe,
Yes, it was painted in the Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland Raiders colors......fuselage
was gray with black trim ( very depressing for a San Diego Chargers fan)
While I am sending this with the knowledge that Barry reads all postings I will
say that I have all the log books for 50BP from it's beginning. If I am ever
needed to consult the logs for a specific bit of information all one needs to
do is ask.
Also, I would advise anyone to contact Jack Chappell for information (and parts)
about Commanders that have some Southern California history, as well as elsewhere;
especially, if they are of the older lineage. And, I have been to Inyokern,
Ca. and spent much time attempting to get information on the Commander that
appears now to have become a derelict. The first time I saw the machine, probably
15-20 years ago, it was really a neat machine, but had one engine that
had leaked some oil. I was unable to get any information about the airplane from
the folks at Inyokern, which led me to think it was because Inyokern is located
within five hundreds miles of Area 51. Truly, no one would act like there
was even airplane parked in the weeds on the south end of the airport.
Buddy
See what's free at AOL.com.
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<DIV>Any info on the Commander (680 ?) auctioned off April 15th this
year at the US Marshall's auction.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brent</DIV>
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<DIV>Yes, it was painted in the Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland Raiders colors......fuselage
was gray with black trim ( very depressing for a San Diego
Chargers fan)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>While I am sending this with the knowledge that Barry reads all postings I
will say that I have all the log books for 50BP from it's beginning. If I am
ever needed to consult the logs for a specific bit of information all one
needs to do is ask. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also, I would advise anyone to contact Jack Chappell for information (and
parts) about Commanders that have some Southern California history,
as well as elsewhere; especially, if they are of the older lineage. And, I have
been to Inyokern, Ca. and spent much time attempting to get information on the
Commander that appears now to have become a derelict. The first time I
saw the machine, probably 15-20 years ago, it was really a neat machine, but
had one engine that had leaked some oil. I was unable to get any information about
the airplane from the folks at Inyokern, which led me to think
it was because Inyokern is located within five hundreds miles of Area 51.
Truly, no one would act like there was even airplane parked in the
weeds on the south end of the airport. </DIV>
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Well, that's a new approach to the Nigerian scam! Thanks for posting that.
Maybe his caps lock key was broken.
(If you toy with him a little, he'll be too busy dealing with you to
scam someone less astute than you...)
best, Cory
Bill Bow wrote:
>Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he get a local broker to
>take care of the transaction. I have cut and pasted all of his
>correspondence below. I thought some of you guys might like to see what
>Captain Benson's approach was.
>
>bilbo
>=======
>
>ACT ONE 5/5/07
>
>we want to arrange for inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send
>maintenance schedule required to operate the aircraft.Does it need
>paint?Does it need C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer
>ASAP.email is capt_thomas_ben@yahoo.es
>
>ACT TWO 5/6/07
>
>Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate your
>immediate response.I have looked at all what you have sent to me and i will
>be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied on the view and all the spec's
>you have sent me.I will like to know if you can send me your proposal on
>price for documentation and other related informations.Please make sure that
>the selling price is well stated so i can have a complete
>documentation..Thanks for your co-operation.
>
>Capt Thomas Benson
>
>Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>Abuja , Nigeria
>
>Tel: +2348038378073
>
>ACT THREE 5/8/07
>
>Hello Sir,
> I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to
>confess to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing
>this aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
>Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am so
>intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am out here to
>start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly confess that if we
>go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully, My Company would be so glad
>to continue to do business with you because like i said earlier on, am
>trying to get my Inventory stocked up and it would be nice getting your
>company to do that.
> 1: I will be needing the Last Asking Price From You Which am happy you
>have given out to me.
> 2: I will be needing the Letter of Proposal From You Which i will need to
>sign in order for us to seal the Contract between My Company and Yours. In
>the proposal which you know about must include your signature.
>
> When all this has been done and sent, We can then proceed to the main
>course of th Contract; Payment Details but first the above Outlined
>informations should be sent to My email before we can go further.
> Best Regards.
>Capt Thomas Benson
>
>Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>Abuja , Nigeria
>
>Tel: +2348038378073
>
>
>
>
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Bill,
Thanks for posting, I recieved the same Act from Capt Thomas Benson or as I like
to call him...Mr. I want your $, I don't speak very good english, I am from
a foriegn country far far away, so please just give me your Bank account info
and signature & I will dissapear forever guy : )
this posting may be a good candidate for scam.com or perhaps listed to all the
other lists aircraft owners.
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
>
> Well, that's a new approach to the Nigerian scam! Thanks for posting that.
>
> Maybe his caps lock key was broken.
>
> (If you toy with him a little, he'll be too busy dealing with you to
> scam someone less astute than you...)
>
> best, Cory
>
> Bill Bow wrote:
>
> >Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he get a local broker to
> >take care of the transaction. I have cut and pasted all of his
> >correspondence below. I thought some of you guys might like to see what
> >Captain Benson's approach was.
> >
> >bilbo
> >========
> >
> >ACT ONE 5/5/07
> >
> >we want to arrange for inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send
> >maintenance schedule required to operate the aircraft.Does it need
> >paint?Does it need C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer
> >ASAP.email is capt_thomas_ben@yahoo.es
> >
> >ACT TWO 5/6/07
> >
> >Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate your
> >immediate response.I have looked at all what you have sent to me and i will
> >be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied on the view and all the spec's
> >you have sent me.I will like to know if you can send me your proposal on
> >price for documentation and other related informations.Please make sure that
> >the selling price is well stated so i can have a complete
> >documentation..Thanks for your co-operation.
> >
> >Capt Thomas Benson
> >
> >Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
> >Abuja , Nigeria
> >
> >Tel: +2348038378073
> >
> >ACT THREE 5/8/07
> >
> >Hello Sir,
> > I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to
> >confess to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing
> >this aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
> >Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am so
> >intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am out here to
> >start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly confess that if we
> >go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully, My Company would be so glad
> >to continue to do business with you because like i said earlier on, am
> >trying to get my Inventory stocked up and it would be nice getting your
> >company to do that.
> > 1: I will be needing the Last Asking Price From You Which am happy you
> >have given out to me.
> > 2: I will be needing the Letter of Proposal From You Which i will need to
> >sign in order for us to seal the Contract between My Company and Yours. In
> >the proposal which you know about must include your signature.
> >
> > When all this has been done and sent, We can then proceed to the main
> >course of th Contract; Payment Details but first the above Outlined
> >informations should be sent to My email before we can go further.
> > Best Regards.
> >Capt Thomas Benson
> >
> >Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
> >Abuja , Nigeria
> >
> >Tel: +2348038378073
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Bill,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for posting, I recieved the same Act from Capt Thomas Benson or
as I like to call him...Mr. I want your $, I don't speak very good english,
I am from a foriegn country far far away, so please just give me your Bank
account info and signature & I will dissapear forever guy : )</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>this posting may be a good candidate for scam.com or perhaps listed to all
the other lists aircraft owners.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brent</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Cory Emberson
<bootless@earthlink.net> <BR><BR>> --> Commander-List message posted
by: Cory Emberson <BOOTLESS@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>> <BR>> Well, that's
a new approach to the Nigerian scam! Thanks for posting that. <BR>> <BR>>
Maybe his caps lock key was broken. <BR>> <BR>> (If you toy with him a
little, he'll be too busy dealing with you to <BR>> scam someone less astute
than you...) <BR>> <BR>> best, Cory <BR>> <BR>> Bill Bow wrote:
<BR>> <BR>> >Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he
get a local broker to <BR>> >take care of the transaction. I have cut and
pasted all of his <BR>> >correspondence below. I thought some of you guys
might like to see what <BR>> >Captain Benson's approach was. <BR>>
> <BR>> >bilbo <BR>> >======== <BR>&
gt; &g
t; <BR>> >ACT ONE 5/5/07 <BR>> > <BR>> >we want to arrange for
inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send <BR>> >maintenance schedule
required to operate the aircraft.Does it need <BR>> >paint?Does it need
C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer <BR>> >ASAP.email is
capt_thomas_ben@yahoo.es <BR>> > <BR>> >ACT TWO 5/6/07 <BR>> >
<BR>> >Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate
your <BR>> >immediate response.I have looked at all what you have
sent to me and i will <BR>> >be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied
on the view and all the spec's <BR>> >you have sent me.I will like to
know if you can send me your proposal on <BR>> >price for documentation
and other related informations.Please make sure that <BR>> >the selling
price is well stated so i can have a complete <BR>> >documentation..Thanks
for your co-operation. <BR>> > <BR>> >
;Capt
Thomas Benson <BR>> > <BR>> >Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc. <BR>>
>Abuja , Nigeria <BR>> > <BR>> >Tel: +2348038378073 <BR>> >
<BR>> >ACT THREE 5/8/07 <BR>> > <BR>> >Hello Sir, <BR>>
> I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to <BR>> >confess
to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing <BR>> >this
aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
<BR>> >Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am
so <BR>> >intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am
out here to <BR>> >start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly
confess that if we <BR>> >go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully,
My Company would be so glad <BR>> >to continue to do business with
you because like i said earlier on, am <BR>> >trying to get my Inventory
stocked up and it would be nice getting your <BR>
> &
=====
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Wow, astute! That's a first.
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory
Emberson
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: The scam
Well, that's a new approach to the Nigerian scam! Thanks for posting that.
Maybe his caps lock key was broken.
(If you toy with him a little, he'll be too busy dealing with you to
scam someone less astute than you...)
best, Cory
Bill Bow wrote:
>Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he get a local broker
to
>take care of the transaction. I have cut and pasted all of his
>correspondence below. I thought some of you guys might like to see what
>Captain Benson's approach was.
>
>bilbo
>=======
>
>ACT ONE 5/5/07
>
>we want to arrange for inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send
>maintenance schedule required to operate the aircraft.Does it need
>paint?Does it need C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer
>ASAP.email is capt_thomas_ben@yahoo.es
>
>ACT TWO 5/6/07
>
>Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate your
>immediate response.I have looked at all what you have sent to me and i will
>be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied on the view and all the
spec's
>you have sent me.I will like to know if you can send me your proposal on
>price for documentation and other related informations.Please make sure
that
>the selling price is well stated so i can have a complete
>documentation..Thanks for your co-operation.
>
>Capt Thomas Benson
>
>Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>Abuja , Nigeria
>
>Tel: +2348038378073
>
>ACT THREE 5/8/07
>
>Hello Sir,
> I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to
>confess to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing
>this aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
>Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am so
>intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am out here to
>start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly confess that if
we
>go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully, My Company would be so
glad
>to continue to do business with you because like i said earlier on, am
>trying to get my Inventory stocked up and it would be nice getting your
>company to do that.
> 1: I will be needing the Last Asking Price From You Which am happy you
>have given out to me.
> 2: I will be needing the Letter of Proposal From You Which i will need
to
>sign in order for us to seal the Contract between My Company and Yours. In
>the proposal which you know about must include your signature.
>
> When all this has been done and sent, We can then proceed to the main
>course of th Contract; Payment Details but first the above Outlined
>informations should be sent to My email before we can go further.
> Best Regards.
>Capt Thomas Benson
>
>Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>Abuja , Nigeria
>
>Tel: +2348038378073
>
>
>
>
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Several years ago I was at Compton (next airport over from HHR my home base)
on a cloudy day with low lying stratus (remember CPM has no instrument
approach and is directly beneath the LAX TCA) and suddenly a gray commander
popped through the clouds going downwind (maybe he made a sharp right turn
at the NDB?) turned short base and landed. A middle aged couple that was
all dressed up got out of the plane ahead of the pilot and got into a Jaguar
4 door sedan. I asked the mechanic who was working on my Skymaster what the
deal was, and he said that if I ever wanted to fly to Las Vegas in "Cheap
Luxury" that I should go over and talk to the pilot. It was "sort of like a
charter service, but not really".
I decided to continue to fly my Skymaster to Las Vegas and land at HHR where
there was a localizer approach.
Moe
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Budplaster@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Moe,
Yes, it was painted in the Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland Raiders
colors......fuselage was gray with black trim ( very depressing for a San
Diego Chargers fan)
While I am sending this with the knowledge that Barry reads all postings I
will say that I have all the log books for 50BP from it's beginning. If I am
ever needed to consult the logs for a specific bit of information all one
needs to do is ask.
Also, I would advise anyone to contact Jack Chappell for information (and
parts) about Commanders that have some Southern California history, as well
as elsewhere; especially, if they are of the older lineage. And, I have been
to Inyokern, Ca. and spent much time attempting to get information on the
Commander that appears now to have become a derelict. The first time I saw
the machine, probably 15-20 years ago, it was really a neat machine, but had
one engine that had leaked some oil. I was unable to get any information
about the airplane from the folks at Inyokern, which led me to think it was
because Inyokern is located within five hundreds miles of Area 51. Truly, no
one would act like there was even airplane parked in the weeds on the south
end of the airport.
Buddy
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See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
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Hi Richard,
That's pretty sad to hear they've gone down the tubes. The book could be
doing better but it is hard to do the marketing, hold down a full time
plus job, and spend time with the family. On and off I've been writing a
sequel... but most of the time I go back and read what I've read and
wonder how I could have written such drivel... delete and start again.
Had one draft that I thought I liked - 287,000 words - left it for a
month, came back to it and... you guessed it, didn't like it. Some parts
can be resurrected, so it's not all garbage. I have fun trying to write
the sequel, so all is not lost. :-)
Which photo do you have of the old man's Bonanza? Is it the same one
that's on the Matronics Beechcraft gallery? If it's a different one, I'd
appreciate a copy of it.
Keep well,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Jacqui Thompson
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Andrew,
Atlas Aircraft was part of Armscor and then became part of Denel.
Since the demise of the pale Africans the business has gone downhill.
They attempted to sell the Rooivalk on the world market. One was tested
here in Oz. The only people to buy a couple were the SANDF themselves.
>From once being the largest earner of foreign income into SA they don't
even feature anymore.
On the subject of Atlas in the US it seems that vacuuming some of
their aircraft could lead to a substantial windfall and possibly prison.
What happened to your book?
I still have a photo of your old mans .30cal Bonanza in Rhodesia.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget@telus.net
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:37 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello Barry,
Atlas Aircraft Corp. got me thinking - is there a connection Between
this Atlas Aircraft Corp (US) to Atlas Aircraft Corp. in South Africa?
And if so, is that possibly where your Commanders ended up? Atlas (SA)
no longer exists - it was swallowed up by Armscor. Atlas used to
manufactured the Atlas Impala, which was basically an Aermacchi MB-326
made under licence, the Atlas Cheetah (which was a complete rework of
the Mirage III), an armed version of the A=E9rospatiale Puma, the Bosbok
(a spotter aircraft, made under licence from Aermacchi, I think) and the
Kudu, a light medivac piston single of their own design. Nico, correct
me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that the Kudu was also certified
in the US. They also made the Rooivalk attack helicopter, but I don't
know if it progressed past the prototype stage. All this, of course,
means nothing if the two Atlas Aircraft Corps are not connected. So, if
it helps, good - if not, sorry for clouding the issue.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection
in my book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the
bottom of your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that
virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas
Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice),
let's just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been
exported to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of
the rest seem to have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one
is with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is
with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW).
Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest
thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and
the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name
rang a bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across
the names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB,
whose history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to
him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the
USA and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to
the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc.,
of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a
sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for
Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting
out and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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