---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/21/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:43 AM - Re: Aux Hyd Pump (Barry Collman) 2. 05:44 AM - Thanks for the help (Ray Mansfield) 3. 06:47 AM - Re: Aux Hyd Pump (CloudCraft@aol.com) 4. 08:37 AM - Gary Tillman News story (Tylor Hall) 5. 09:06 AM - Re: Thanks for the help (Tylor Hall) 6. 10:29 AM - Re: Thanks for the help (Bill Bow) 7. 03:49 PM - Charles Lindbergh (CloudCraft@aol.com) 8. 05:18 PM - Re: Thanks for the help (mike floyd) 9. 07:03 PM - Re: Charles Lindbergh (AEROCOMAND@aol.com) 10. 07:12 PM - Re: Thanks for the help (Ray Mansfield) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:27 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump Hi All, I haven't seen any other comments about this posting, but this is literally about the 50th time I've received it. Anyone else had the same "problem"? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: dfalik@sbcglobal.net To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:10 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump I have two old hyd. Pumps of the P-366-1(64650) variety that were taken off and replaced with Pesco's. These never seem to last "long" before needing overhaul/repair due to leaks. It seems that every year (app. 300 hrs.) they need some type of attention. Is this normal or just my misfortune? Should I have the old ones (mfr. Date of 1965) overhauled and put on a shelf? The plane is a 1970 500S. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIER Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:10 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump bb,overhaul mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump You do need to specify "overhaul" or "repair". They are different. bilbo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIER Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:21 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump kh, they also did one for me mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump These guys did my Pesco. http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com bilbo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KenWHyde@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:53 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump (64650) for the 500S??? Thanks, Ken Hyde N47AC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See what's free at AOL.com. title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com - The Commander-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:21 AM PST US From: "Ray Mansfield" Subject: Commander-List: Thanks for the help Hello Everyone, I recently posted a message seeking help with an engine RPM problem with the Aero Commander 680 FLP that I fly. I was having problems with the engine RPM dropping 100, 200, 300 or so RPM particularly during climb, in a random fashion. I had about six different replies and suggestions as to the problem. Prior to finding the problem maintenance had checked out some of the suggestions to no avail; prop governor and magneto were #1 suspect but were not the problem. Well, the problem turned out to be a crack in the upper deck air line. That particular line had been removed and the rubber hose portions had been replaced during the annual. Evidently the maintenance guy didn't look at the line close enough or the line may not have been completely removed and the crack couldn't be seen. Anyway, the crack was repaired and the engine hasn't blinked since. Thanks to everyone for the ideas. I relayed all of the comments to our maintenance people. They appreciated all the ideas as for a while we were really baffled. Ray Mansfield N91ES Aero Commander 680 FLP ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:10 AM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump In a message dated 21-May-07 04:45:49 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: I haven't seen any other comments about this posting, but this is literally about the 50th time I've received it. Anyone else had the same "problem"? Sir Barry, Since you bring it up ... I was wondering if it's the pump that's leaking, or is it the Garlock seal where the pump attaches? In my experience, it was always the seal that leaked and that was due to low aircraft utilization and the seal drying, or, the seal being damaged during installation. If the pump is leaking, where does it leak? Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:06 AM PST US From: Tylor Hall Subject: Commander-List: Gary Tillman News story TCFG, There is a news article on Gary Tillman on www.aero-news.net this am. Gary was a much loved member of the list and died flying his 195 with his daughter. Tylor Hall tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:40 AM PST US From: Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: Thanks for the help Ray, Those upper deck lines are small and often overlooked on the Rajay Turbo conversions, both 8 cylinder and 6 cylinder. A little crack will cause funny problems. The upper deck lines do not exist on Supercharger or normally aspirated aircraft. Happy flying. Tylor Hall On May 21, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Ray Mansfield wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I recently posted a message seeking help with an engine RPM > problem with the Aero Commander 680 FLP that I fly. I was having > problems with the engine RPM dropping 100, 200, 300 or so RPM > particularly during climb, in a random fashion. I had about six > different replies and suggestions as to the problem. Prior to > finding the problem maintenance had checked out some of the > suggestions to no avail; prop governor and magneto were #1 suspect > but were not the problem. > > Well, the problem turned out to be a crack in the upper deck > air line. That particular line had been removed and the rubber > hose portions had been replaced during the annual. Evidently the > maintenance guy didn't look at the line close enough or the line > may not have been completely removed and the crack couldn't be > seen. Anyway, the crack was repaired and the engine hasn't blinked > since. > > Thanks to everyone for the ideas. I relayed all of the > comments to our maintenance people. They appreciated all the ideas > as for a while we were really baffled. > > Ray Mansfield > N91ES > Aero Commander 680 FLP > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > Tylor Hall tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:18 AM PST US From: "Bill Bow" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Thanks for the help I'll bet it was a pricey crack too. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfield Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Commander-List: Thanks for the help Hello Everyone, I recently posted a message seeking help with an engine RPM problem with the Aero Commander 680 FLP that I fly. I was having problems with the engine RPM dropping 100, 200, 300 or so RPM particularly during climb, in a random fashion. I had about six different replies and suggestions as to the problem. Prior to finding the problem maintenance had checked out some of the suggestions to no avail; prop governor and magneto were #1 suspect but were not the problem. Well, the problem turned out to be a crack in the upper deck air line. That particular line had been removed and the rubber hose portions had been replaced during the annual. Evidently the maintenance guy didn't look at the line close enough or the line may not have been completely removed and the crack couldn't be seen. Anyway, the crack was repaired and the engine hasn't blinked since. Thanks to everyone for the ideas. I relayed all of the comments to our maintenance people. They appreciated all the ideas as for a while we were really baffled. Ray Mansfield N91ES Aero Commander 680 FLP ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:15 PM PST US From: CloudCraft@aol.com Subject: Commander-List: Charles Lindbergh Gentlemen, While not Commander-specific, let's stand in appreciation that it was 80 years ago today the Charles Lindbergh completed his Trans-Atlantic flight. Godspeed, Mr. Lindbergh! And in this age of Flight Management Systems and GPS, let's keep in mind that a watch, a compass and an airspeed indicator can get you somewhere! Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:19 PM PST US From: "mike floyd" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Thanks for the help With MR RPM's blessing we have fabricated ours from 302 seamless tubing. I would provide a set of drawings if you would like. Mike Floyd Northern Commanders LLC _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:48 PM PST US From: AEROCOMAND@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Charles Lindbergh AMEN... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:58 PM PST US From: "Ray Mansfield" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Thanks for the help Yes, if you consider all the things we did prior to finding the crack. RM ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Thanks for the help I'll bet it was a pricey crack too. bilbo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfield Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:44 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Thanks for the help Hello Everyone, I recently posted a message seeking help with an engine RPM problem with the Aero Commander 680 FLP that I fly. I was having problems with the engine RPM dropping 100, 200, 300 or so RPM particularly during climb, in a random fashion. I had about six different replies and suggestions as to the problem. Prior to finding the problem maintenance had checked out some of the suggestions to no avail; prop governor and magneto were #1 suspect but were not the problem. Well, the problem turned out to be a crack in the upper deck air line. That particular line had been removed and the rubber hose portions had been replaced during the annual. Evidently the maintenance guy didn't look at the line close enough or the line may not have been completely removed and the crack couldn't be seen. Anyway, the crack was repaired and the engine hasn't blinked since. Thanks to everyone for the ideas. I relayed all of the comments to our maintenance people. They appreciated all the ideas as for a while we were really baffled. Ray Mansfield N91ES Aero Commander 680 FLP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.