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1. 09:46 AM - Re: New to list (Tylor Hall)
2. 11:25 AM - Re: Four Commanders in Harare? (BertBerry1@aol.com)
3. 12:32 PM - Re: New to list (John Vormbaum)
4. 12:44 PM - Re: New to list (David Owens)
5. 01:05 PM - Re: Four Commanders in Harare? (Barry Collman)
6. 01:21 PM - Re: Four Commanders in Harare? (nico css)
7. 07:55 PM - Re: New to list (Tylor Hall)
8. 09:35 PM - Re: New to list (alh1@juno.com)
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John,
If you are flying a sealevel to 5-8000', and speed is not a major
item, You may want to look a the 500A with the IO-470 Cont. engines.
It is slower than the 500B,U,S.
One member, Bill Bow, has a nice example that is for sale. It needs
an engine overhaul and the other engine was just overhauled. The
aircraft is in FL. It is listed on Controller.
I had a flight with a professional photographer to film an event. We
spent about an hour flying around points on the ground at 500'. It
was a lot of turns around a point. As the pilot, I did not have
much time to look down, but we spent a lot of time at 45 degrees in
turns. It was somewhat bumpy down low but the Commander as a
platform was very stable.
Tylor Hall
tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net
On Jun 1, 2007, at 6:16 AM, nico css wrote:
> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Hi John,
> My take is that if you are going to fly missions that require more
> than
> average power adjustments, like sightseeing and inspection flights,
> to go
> for direct drive engines. Ordinarily, these flights require either
> a high
> number of take-offs and landings or a higher incidence of power
> adjustments.
> The type of mission could catch a distracted pilot and hurt geared
> engines
> given the right circumstances.
> With Commanders you will have a very high level of mission-
> satisfaction.
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> dfalik@sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:05 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: New to list
>
>
> Larry,
>
> I'm going to be in St. Pete from Sunday June 3 through Friday June
> 8 for
> vacation on Treasure Island. I have been flying a Shrike for 3 years
> (800 hours) and wouldn't mind sharing with you. It will be parked at
> Albert-Whitted airport while we are on Treasure Island.
>
> Cell number is 517 881 8959 if you want to talk.
>
> Don (based in Michigan)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:18 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: New to list
>
> <john@vormbaum.com>
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> Welcome to the list! I hope you'll find it a great resource. As far as
> which
> model might do you best, I have a 500B so I'm partial, but the B-model
> has
> some great advantages:
>
> 1) Direct-drive engines (fuel efficient, can fly them fairly ham-
> fisted
> without damaging them)
> 2) Lycoming IO-540 powered (proven design that's pretty rugged)
> 3) No spar AD that tends to affect the Shrikes
> 4) Generally excellent useful loads (mine is 2,238 lbs.!)
>
> Mine is turbocharged & deiced, but that's obviously not a factor
> for you
>
> although I think they're great options if you live in mountainous
> country
> like I do. These airplanes are perfect for 3-600NM trips. Comfortable,
> roomy, fast enough (mine's good for ~175 kts. unless I go up above
> 12,000
> where I can get ~190 kts. with the turbos) and great for sightseeing,
> with
> the wing above you.
>
> One option I LOVE about mine is the pilot door...especially if you're
> carrying passengers a lot. Also my dispatch reliability has been near
> 100%....I've missed only 2 trips in 8 years of ownership and they were
> both
> due to annuals falling at the wrong time.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> /John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <asgroup@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:18 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: New to list
>
>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'm new to the list, and I hope I understand how it works, so if I
> mess
>> up, please let me know.
>>
>> We're shopping for a Commander and need advise as to what is the best
>> one. Our goal it to use it for low level aerial surveillance to look
> over
>> some land we are interested in. The trips will be in the 300 to
>> 600nm
>
>> range and perhaps an hour or two flying over the land, looking it
> over.
>> We will do these trips in VFR weather, so deice is not an issue,
> pressure
>> not necessary and speed really isn't a big factor. However, would
> like a
>> reasonable well equipped plane, preferably with air.
>>
>> The Shrike seems like a good choice, but wondering what others I
> should
>> be considering. The 560s with the geared, but not supercharged
> engines
>> have been mentioned as good planes.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Larry Olson
>> St. Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Four Commanders in Harare? |
One of these may be SN 1168-88 ZS-CTC 680F, WFU at Harare Charles Prince
06/1994.
There are several listed in there, not telling which ones are on the ramp.
If you find out, I like to know as well.
Thanks,
Bert
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Hey guys, just pointing out that LARRY is the guy who needs help. JOHN is just
me, the first guy who replied to him ;-).
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New to list
John,
If you are flying a sealevel to 5-8000', and speed is not a major item, You may
want to look a the 500A with the IO-470 Cont. engines. It is slower than the
500B,U,S.
One member, Bill Bow, has a nice example that is for sale. It needs an engine
overhaul and the other engine was just overhauled. The aircraft is in FL.
It is listed on Controller.
I had a flight with a professional photographer to film an event. We spent about
an hour flying around points on the ground at 500'. It was a lot of turns
around a point. As the pilot, I did not have much time to look down, but we
spent a lot of time at 45 degrees in turns. It was somewhat bumpy down low
but the Commander as a platform was very stable.
Tylor Hall
tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net
On Jun 1, 2007, at 6:16 AM, nico css wrote:
Hi John,
My take is that if you are going to fly missions that require more than
average power adjustments, like sightseeing and inspection flights, to go
for direct drive engines. Ordinarily, these flights require either a high
number of take-offs and landings or a higher incidence of power adjustments.
The type of mission could catch a distracted pilot and hurt geared engines
given the right circumstances.
With Commanders you will have a very high level of mission-satisfaction.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dfalik@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:05 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: New to list
Larry,
I'm going to be in St. Pete from Sunday June 3 through Friday June 8 for
vacation on Treasure Island. I have been flying a Shrike for 3 years
(800 hours) and wouldn't mind sharing with you. It will be parked at
Albert-Whitted airport while we are on Treasure Island.
Cell number is 517 881 8959 if you want to talk.
Don (based in Michigan)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:18 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New to list
<john@vormbaum.com>
Hi Larry,
Welcome to the list! I hope you'll find it a great resource. As far as
which
model might do you best, I have a 500B so I'm partial, but the B-model
has
some great advantages:
1) Direct-drive engines (fuel efficient, can fly them fairly ham-fisted
without damaging them)
2) Lycoming IO-540 powered (proven design that's pretty rugged)
3) No spar AD that tends to affect the Shrikes
4) Generally excellent useful loads (mine is 2,238 lbs.!)
Mine is turbocharged & deiced, but that's obviously not a factor for you
although I think they're great options if you live in mountainous
country
like I do. These airplanes are perfect for 3-600NM trips. Comfortable,
roomy, fast enough (mine's good for ~175 kts. unless I go up above
12,000
where I can get ~190 kts. with the turbos) and great for sightseeing,
with
the wing above you.
One option I LOVE about mine is the pilot door...especially if you're
carrying passengers a lot. Also my dispatch reliability has been near
100%....I've missed only 2 trips in 8 years of ownership and they were
both
due to annuals falling at the wrong time.
Hope this helps,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: <asgroup@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: New to list
Hi folks,
I'm new to the list, and I hope I understand how it works, so if I
mess
up, please let me know.
We're shopping for a Commander and need advise as to what is the best
one. Our goal it to use it for low level aerial surveillance to look
over
some land we are interested in. The trips will be in the 300 to 600nm
range and perhaps an hour or two flying over the land, looking it
over.
We will do these trips in VFR weather, so deice is not an issue,
pressure
not necessary and speed really isn't a big factor. However, would
like a
reasonable well equipped plane, preferably with air.
The Shrike seems like a good choice, but wondering what others I
should
be considering. The 560s with the geared, but not supercharged
engines
have been mentioned as good planes.
Thoughts?
Larry Olson
St. Pete
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WHo???
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
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| Subject: | Re: Four Commanders in Harare? |
Hi,
The one Bert mentioned is the only one I can find on my database as
being noted at Harare-Charles Prince airport, in Zimbabwe.
I haven't had time to check Google Earth and see if there are indeed
three others there, but will do so at my earliest opportunity. But, in
what year were the images taken? Last time I checked my own address, my
old Merc was parked on the drive and I sold that three or four years
ago!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: BertBerry1@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Four Commanders in Harare?
One of these may be SN 1168-88 ZS-CTC 680F, WFU at Harare Charles
Prince 06/1994.
There are several listed in there, not telling which ones are on the
ramp. If you find out, I like to know as well.
Thanks,
Bert
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| Subject: | Four Commanders in Harare? |
Barry,
There is no guarantee when those images were taken, but judging from the
high resolution of the images, one can deduce that they were taken pretty
recently, whatever that means.
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Four Commanders in Harare?
Hi,
The one Bert mentioned is the only one I can find on my database as being
noted at Harare-Charles Prince airport, in Zimbabwe.
I haven't had time to check Google Earth and see if there are indeed three
others there, but will do so at my earliest opportunity. But, in what year
were the images taken? Last time I checked my own address, my old Merc was
parked on the drive and I sold that three or four years ago!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: BertBerry1@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Four Commanders in Harare?
One of these may be SN 1168-88 ZS-CTC 680F, WFU at Harare Charles Prince
06/1994.
There are several listed in there, not telling which ones are on the ramp.
If you find out, I like to know as well.
Thanks,
Bert
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John,
OK it is LARRY then.
And the next set of finger prints on you windows may be mine. I know
where you park.
I will be in San Jose on Thursday and Friday.
Tylor Hall
On Jun 4, 2007, at 1:32 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:
> Hey guys, just pointing out that LARRY is the guy who needs help.
> JOHN is just me, the first guy who replied to him ;-).
>
> /John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tylor Hall
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: New to list
>
> John,
> If you are flying a sealevel to 5-8000', and speed is not a major
> item, You may want to look a the 500A with the IO-470 Cont.
> engines. It is slower than the 500B,U,S.
>
> One member, Bill Bow, has a nice example that is for sale. It
> needs an engine overhaul and the other engine was just overhauled.
> The aircraft is in FL. It is listed on Controller.
>
> I had a flight with a professional photographer to film an event.
> We spent about an hour flying around points on the ground at 500'.
> It was a lot of turns around a point. As the pilot, I did not
> have much time to look down, but we spent a lot of time at 45
> degrees in turns. It was somewhat bumpy down low but the Commander
> as a platform was very stable.
>
> Tylor Hall
> tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2007, at 6:16 AM, nico css wrote:
>
>> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
>>
>> Hi John,
>> My take is that if you are going to fly missions that require more
>> than
>> average power adjustments, like sightseeing and inspection
>> flights, to go
>> for direct drive engines. Ordinarily, these flights require either
>> a high
>> number of take-offs and landings or a higher incidence of power
>> adjustments.
>> The type of mission could catch a distracted pilot and hurt geared
>> engines
>> given the right circumstances.
>> With Commanders you will have a very high level of mission-
>> satisfaction.
>> Nico
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> dfalik@sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:05 PM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: New to list
>>
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> I'm going to be in St. Pete from Sunday June 3 through Friday June
>> 8 for
>> vacation on Treasure Island. I have been flying a Shrike for 3 years
>> (800 hours) and wouldn't mind sharing with you. It will be parked at
>> Albert-Whitted airport while we are on Treasure Island.
>>
>> Cell number is 517 881 8959 if you want to talk.
>>
>> Don (based in Michigan)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>> Vormbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:18 PM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: New to list
>>
>> <john@vormbaum.com>
>>
>> Hi Larry,
>>
>> Welcome to the list! I hope you'll find it a great resource. As
>> far as
>> which
>> model might do you best, I have a 500B so I'm partial, but the B-
>> model
>> has
>> some great advantages:
>>
>> 1) Direct-drive engines (fuel efficient, can fly them fairly ham-
>> fisted
>> without damaging them)
>> 2) Lycoming IO-540 powered (proven design that's pretty rugged)
>> 3) No spar AD that tends to affect the Shrikes
>> 4) Generally excellent useful loads (mine is 2,238 lbs.!)
>>
>> Mine is turbocharged & deiced, but that's obviously not a factor
>> for you
>>
>> although I think they're great options if you live in mountainous
>> country
>> like I do. These airplanes are perfect for 3-600NM trips.
>> Comfortable,
>> roomy, fast enough (mine's good for ~175 kts. unless I go up above
>> 12,000
>> where I can get ~190 kts. with the turbos) and great for sightseeing,
>> with
>> the wing above you.
>>
>> One option I LOVE about mine is the pilot door...especially if you're
>> carrying passengers a lot. Also my dispatch reliability has been near
>> 100%....I've missed only 2 trips in 8 years of ownership and they
>> were
>> both
>> due to annuals falling at the wrong time.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> /John
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <asgroup@tampabay.rr.com>
>> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:18 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: New to list
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I'm new to the list, and I hope I understand how it works, so if I
>> mess
>>> up, please let me know.
>>>
>>> We're shopping for a Commander and need advise as to what is the
>>> best
>>> one. Our goal it to use it for low level aerial surveillance to look
>> over
>>> some land we are interested in. The trips will be in the 300 to
>>> 600nm
>>
>>> range and perhaps an hour or two flying over the land, looking it
>> over.
>>> We will do these trips in VFR weather, so deice is not an issue,
>> pressure
>>> not necessary and speed really isn't a big factor. However, would
>> like a
>>> reasonable well equipped plane, preferably with air.
>>>
>>> The Shrike seems like a good choice, but wondering what others I
>> should
>>> be considering. The 560s with the geared, but not supercharged
>> engines
>>> have been mentioned as good planes.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Larry Olson
>>> St. Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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lots of replies to larry and john, but nothing more from larry. larry,
how much would you like to spend? remember speed costs money, how fast
do you want to go? al hoffman n628ah
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